Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Noted] DCR

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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby jimboy on Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:03 pm

Dibbun wrote:It's too bad... Chuck did a courageous thing when he exposed TOFU as a clan of cheaters, and now he goes out dishonorably...


Courageous? Chuuuuuck taking COF down had nothing to do with being courageous but rather had everything to do with a personal vendetta for getting booted from TOFU. Not sure how screwing THE PACK is any more dishonorable than what he already did to TOFU.

smegal69 wrote:Was he trying to lose a clan war for The Pack?,
three of these games are clan war games....this could throw the whole war to ID.
Why else would you join a clan knowing that you were going to leave CC.
he never said one thing about leaving to his Clan, and changes his password so no one can cover them.


Did you guys really think you were adding an angel to your clan? He just got done or was in the process of screwing over TOFU when you guys added him so what would make you think you are any different or immune to that? I'm not entirely sure how you guys didn't see all kinds of red flags there and if it ends up costing you your war then you have nobody to blame but yourselves. I agree that it is a really shitty way to lose a war but it is what it is.

simmons4 wrote:Chuuuuck's dead beating in games not only cost himself points but his teammates in 4 out of the five games listed. It has been rumored that he quit CC. If that is true he should have completed the games he had begun before leaving. This needs to be addressed in case he decides to return to the CC in the future. Any penalty decided upon here should be implemented upon his return.


Ok, so its illegal to quit CC while you are still in active games? Its not like he was in hundreds of games or anything. Sometimes people on CC forget that people have real lives that have real issues so who knows what his reasons are for quitting. My personal views are that this is just a game and if people end up quitting for one reason or another I don't think that it needs to be a requirement that you finish your games first regardless if you end up coming back in the future or not.

greenoaks wrote:where is the rule we must complete all games before we quit CC ?


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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby lord voldemort on Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:07 pm

John Deere wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:This isnt point dumping...and there is no rule against dead beating....Youre just angry

And your just bitter cause you got your A$$ handed to you by the PACK. Been schooled lately? ;) :lol:

no...just as an ex hunter i know the rules better than most ;)

and OT like i said pretty sure we won our last little skirmish...
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby simmons4 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:26 pm

greenoaks wrote:where is the rule we must complete all games before we quit CC ?



no rule needed to be an upstanding person. would you do this to anyone I know for a fact no mater what the reason I would not intentionally screw anyone on my team in any team game regardless of my relationship with them
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby GeneralRisk on Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:32 am

simmons4 wrote:
greenoaks wrote:where is the rule we must complete all games before we quit CC ?



no rule needed to be an upstanding person. would you do this to anyone I know for a fact no mater what the reason I would not intentionally screw anyone on my team in any team game regardless of my relationship with them

Chuuuuck obviously is not a upstanding person. Rules broken? I doubt it. As the evidence shows in https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=11358131 It is basically a case of 2012-08-03 18:57:17 - GeneralRisk: Chuuuuuk is a diccccccccccccccccccck To my knowledge being a dicccccccccccccccccck, in and of itself, breaks no rules.
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby VioIet on Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:33 am

simmons4 wrote:
greenoaks wrote:where is the rule we must complete all games before we quit CC ?



no rule needed to be an upstanding person. would you do this to anyone I know for a fact no mater what the reason I would not intentionally screw anyone on my team in any team game regardless of my relationship with them




If my memory is correct- didn't the Herkman receive a ban about a year ago for doing the exact same thing. He was in 1,000 games or so and deadbeated them all. He left the site, but the CC admin still considered this gross abuse and banned him.

Of course, chuuuck wasn't in 1,000 or so games- but where do you draw the line about this? Theherkman was only in standard games, I believe. Deadbeating in standard games is much less damaging then deadbeating in team games.

I would understand if some noob did something like this, but Chuuuck knows better. The only excuse for this would be if there was some dire emergency and he was in the hospital, or God-forbid, he passed away.

But being in a clan, especially a competitive one like The Pack, I feel it is proper etiquette to have a sitter when an emergency arises. This would of prevented a crazy situation from happening. Chuuck changing his pw right before he left seems rather blatant.

Also- I have no first-hand knowledge or facts about any of this, I'm just stating my opinion based on what I'm reading from the thread. I do think there should be a rule implemented about this- as far as what to do when you leave the site. RA just had a clanmate disappear on us two months ago- and his account ended up being suspended. We still lost all those points/games. While I'm not disputing that action by any means- I just feel there should be some set standard to follow when a situation like this arises.
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby swimmerdude99 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:01 am

lord voldemort wrote:This isnt point dumping...and there is no rule against dead beating....Youre just angry

Rules Page wrote:Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

Is it considered deadbeating intentionally? It sounds like it to me...
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping]

Postby benga on Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:24 am

Dibbun wrote:
simmons4 wrote:Game 11358932



2012-08-12 19:04:26 - simmons4: it's worse than that, he actually changed his password so we couldn't take his turns for him. we waited till it was under 30 minutes on the first one he missed and then tried to take it but couldn't.


If COF was banned for this, then simmons has to be here on the guilty bench, not Chuck.
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping]

Postby GeneralRisk on Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:27 am

benga wrote:
Dibbun wrote:
simmons4 wrote:Game 11358932



2012-08-12 19:04:26 - simmons4: it's worse than that, he actually changed his password so we couldn't take his turns for him. we waited till it was under 30 minutes on the first one he missed and then tried to take it but couldn't.


If COF was banned for this, then simmons has to be here on the guilty bench, not Chuck.

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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby jgordon1111 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:36 am

And swimmerdude just put it up there for all to see,in case some had forgotten the rules.

2 things stand out in the rules A) throwing games B) intentional deadbeating. Both are defined as gross abuse.

The whole TOFU thing is in the past and has very little relevance here.

What is relevant is the fact that The Pack had his PW in case something went wrong for the purposes of covering team games.

Chuuuck has agreed to this so no problem there,here is the problem chuck right before he deadbeats changes his PW and does not notify anyone that he is doing so, nor does he let anyone know that he is leaving CC short term or long term.

The fact that those 2 things happen at the same time says chuck knew what he was doing and intended for the insuing result to happen.

Therefore it is throwing the game and intentional deadbeating. gross abuse and the punishment should be handed down accordingly.
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby smegal69 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:50 am

jimboy:Did you guys really think you were adding an angel to your clan? He just got done or was in the process of screwing over TOFU when you guys added him so what would make you think you are any different or immune to that? I'm not entirely sure how you guys didn't see all kinds of red flags there and if it ends up costing you your war then you have nobody to blame but yourselves. I agree that it is a really shitty way to lose a war but it is what it is.


He was let into the clan before he did his C&A report against COF and TOFU...... and I'm pretty sure we have lernt from this mistake.

Dibbun wrote:It's too bad... Chuck did a courageous thing when he exposed TOFU as a clan of cheaters, and now he goes out dishonorably...


And it took him how many months to do it? he didn't have a problem with it when he was in TOFU, only after he was Dumped

lord voldemort wrote:This isnt point dumping...and there is no rule against dead beating....Youre just angry


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Point Dumping

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Note: Because of the nature of Point Dumping, your account will be suspended upon discovery, and will remain suspended to protect the account and the website during the investigation. The Investigative Suspension is not factored into Disciplinary Time Served.

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benga :
If COF was banned for this, then simmons has to be here on the guilty bench, not Chuck.


you should get to some facts benga before you open your mouth benga.....
1, simmons never had Chuck's (Chuuuck) password
2, had had games been looked after by 2 other CC Members justs before he Quit as he said "He was So called busy and away for the weekend to coach a basketball"
3, if you think he should be banned too..... go post a C&A Report about it
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby codierose on Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:04 am

THE PACK [Competitive] [Very Selective recruitng]

:lol: so much for the very selective

just maybe it was an elaborate scheme from TUFO to infiltrate THE PACK ;)
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby betiko on Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:15 am

codierose wrote:
THE PACK [Competitive] [Very Selective recruitng]

:lol: so much for the very selective

just maybe it was an elaborate scheme from TUFO to infiltrate THE PACK ;)



lol! that would be nasty.
anyway; like jgordon said: the point is that an emergency is no excuse, if you change your pw just before disapearing, it is intentional to screw your team and it is deliberate point dumping.
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby codierose on Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:23 am

betiko wrote:if you change your pw just before disapearing, it is intentional to screw your team and it is deliberate point dumping.

i must agree
so he must be a spy :D
TOFU those sneaky Beeps
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby lord voldemort on Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:39 am

4 games is not intentionally deadbeating...and is a far cry from 1000 games. Completely different circumstances. He is still a brig fro goodness sake...its not like he gave all his points away. Or started a bunch of public games and handed them away.

Stop being so butt hurt cause he was unreliable and YOU trusted him in your clans games. Its like you are looking for a scapegoat in case you lose this challenge.

Get this right...youre allowed to miss turns...Who knew??? You're allowed to leave cc and not announce it to the entire world?? Who knew right??
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby betiko on Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:01 am

lord voldemort wrote:4 games is not intentionally deadbeating...and is a far cry from 1000 games. Completely different circumstances. He is still a brig fro goodness sake...its not like he gave all his points away. Or started a bunch of public games and handed them away.

Stop being so butt hurt cause he was unreliable and YOU trusted him in your clans games. Its like you are looking for a scapegoat in case you lose this challenge.

Get this right...youre allowed to miss turns...Who knew??? You're allowed to leave cc and not announce it to the entire world?? Who knew right??


stop being so subjective please. changing your PW just before you decide to leave CC is a total different story and it's intentional team screwing. He's a brig? well he was a general before that. He didn't miss a couple of turns, he got kicked out in all his war games for missing too many turns.

He left CC, at least temporairly. I don't care if he gets a warning or whatever; but he's kind of busted in the clan world now for being so unreliable within tofu and the pack thanks to this thread.
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby Nicky15 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:05 am

It seems you guys took a major gamble with him. And it backfired. As far as I can see you put him in these teams/the games started after the report on COF which highlighted just how unreliable Chuuuuck was, with his real life issues and missing turns etc.

As much as this sucks for you, unless you had some kind of bust up with him, prior to him dead beating, and you can prove that he did this on purpose, and not just because of more real life issues. Then I don't see that you have a case. He has every right to change his password at any time.
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby lord voldemort on Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:39 am

oh yeah his personal image is shot no doubt...but what he has done is no way against the site rules
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby Gypsys Kiss on Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:59 am

betiko wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:4 games is not intentionally deadbeating...and is a far cry from 1000 games. Completely different circumstances. He is still a brig fro goodness sake...its not like he gave all his points away. Or started a bunch of public games and handed them away.

Stop being so butt hurt cause he was unreliable and YOU trusted him in your clans games. Its like you are looking for a scapegoat in case you lose this challenge.

Get this right...youre allowed to miss turns...Who knew??? You're allowed to leave cc and not announce it to the entire world?? Who knew right??


stop being so subjective please. changing your PW just before you decide to leave CC is a total different story and it's intentional team screwing.


I would have thought that permanently leaving the site and having your password known to others would be considered highly irresponsible. The powers that be should really applaud chuuuuuucks action.
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby betiko on Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:12 am

Nicky15 wrote:It seems you guys took a major gamble with him. And it backfired. As far as I can see you put him in these teams/the games started after the report on COF which highlighted just how unreliable Chuuuuck was, with his real life issues and missing turns etc.

As much as this sucks for you, unless you had some kind of bust up with him, prior to him dead beating, and you can prove that he did this on purpose, and not just because of more real life issues. Then I don't see that you have a case. He has every right to change his password at any time.


we didn't have any personal problems with him before it happened. he did have some almost missed turns that had to be sitted because there was almost no time left, then he changed his password so they couldn't be taken and just plainly missed. this is something I don't understand. Apart from the password issue I think the least you can do is to warn people that you cannot play your turns anymore, if you had time to change your PW.

in the report against COF, COF said that he was playing 1vs1 games and deadbeating tofu games on purpose. I think that we can all agree that it's not cool.
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby grifftron on Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:24 am

I hope the outcome of this case is not affected by the CoF case. I myself respect CoF and that case had nothing to do with the pack, Chuckkkkkk was already going to make that case before he was ever in the pack. I wish people would not bring that case up in this one, keep it on track and be fair people, whoever loses a game because of someone deadbeating would be upset, period... lets keep the clans out of this and talk about the deadbeating action itself.
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby lord voldemort on Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:00 am

grifftron wrote:I hope the outcome of this case is not affected by the CoF case. I myself respect CoF and that case had nothing to do with the pack, Chuckkkkkk was already going to make that case before he was ever in the pack. I wish people would not bring that case up in this one, keep it on track and be fair people, whoever loses a game because of someone deadbeating would be upset, period... lets keep the clans out of this and talk about the deadbeating action itself.

It was 4 games and he didnt join any others whilst in the process of deadbeating...there is no case...quite simple
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby Serbia on Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:41 am

betiko wrote:stop being so subjective please. changing your PW just before you decide to leave CC is a total different story and it's intentional team screwing.


YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE HIS PASSWORD 24/7 ANYWAY.

Sharing passwords like that is essentially account sharing. I know it seems the vast majority of competitive clans are sharing accounts, and think nothing of it (as it's so openly talked about, and treated as a given), but it's against the rules. Account sitting is only meant to be done when you KNOW you're going to be away from CC, and can give a temporary password to someone else to cover for you. It is not meant as an insurance against missing turns. If chuuuuck knew that others had his password, then changing his password was the only responsible thing to do.
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby MoB Deadly on Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:54 am

CC's recent motto: Common Sense prevails.

Was he REALLY changing his password to be responsible, or was he doing it to screw over the clan and be malicious or vindictive.
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby betiko on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:10 am

Serbia wrote:
betiko wrote:stop being so subjective please. changing your PW just before you decide to leave CC is a total different story and it's intentional team screwing.


YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE HIS PASSWORD 24/7 ANYWAY.

Sharing passwords like that is essentially account sharing. I know it seems the vast majority of competitive clans are sharing accounts, and think nothing of it (as it's so openly talked about, and treated as a given), but it's against the rules. Account sitting is only meant to be done when you KNOW you're going to be away from CC, and can give a temporary password to someone else to cover for you. It is not meant as an insurance against missing turns. If chuuuuck knew that others had his password, then changing his password was the only responsible thing to do.



which would be a ridiculous rule and a ridiculous interpretation of reality. and i never had chuuck's pw. it seems normal to have at least 1 of your clan mates who has your pw in case of emergency, like this one when a player vanishes away.
I would hate to win a war because my oponents got screwed by a player disapearing.

we've had the roussalier case with RA and subprime case with TSM in the past month.
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Re: Chuuuuck [dead beating, pointdumping] [Pending] DCR

Postby Lindax on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:34 am

Serbia wrote:YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE HIS PASSWORD 24/7 ANYWAY.

Sharing passwords like that is essentially account sharing. I know it seems the vast majority of competitive clans are sharing accounts, and think nothing of it (as it's so openly talked about, and treated as a given), but it's against the rules. Account sitting is only meant to be done when you KNOW you're going to be away from CC, and can give a temporary password to someone else to cover for you. It is not meant as an insurance against missing turns.


Mmmm.... Your colleague TD chapcrap disagrees with you.

When can we get a definite and clear answer from somebody with authority about this issue?

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