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Re: throwing a game[pending]es

Postby jsnyder748 on Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:32 am

Bruceswar wrote:Nobody is saying these guys are not skilled, but to win at the rate they do is just not within the realm of normal winning rates even for the best players.


well Shannon just said they don't deserve their rank.

So you are saying that with this win rate they have been cheating all along and essentially discrediting the skill? :o

i'm sorry....I am done for sure this time.
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Re: throwing a game[pending]es

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:48 am

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Bruceswar wrote:Nobody is saying these guys are not skilled, but to win at the rate they do is just not within the realm of normal winning rates even for the best players.


well Shannon just said they don't deserve their rank.

So you are saying that with this win rate they have been cheating all along and essentially discrediting the skill? :o

i'm sorry....I am done for sure this time.



No I am saying with a 68% win rate between the 2 of them when they play together is really fishy for 8 man games. 12% is a normal win rate, and if you double that up you are a great player. So 25% max for each ... but you cannot add 25% and 25% as 2 good players will void each other out to a degree. So the win rate for the 2 of them should be about 40% not 68%. Say whatever you want about their skill, there is just something that is not right. The numbers do not lie.
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Re: throwing a game[pending]es

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:56 am

Totals31 Field Marshal +10243 390 from 1728(23%) 1453 (31) Serial Killer (66%)1402 Equalitarian (0.819)

These are my 8 man freestyle stats. As you can see a good win rate is 23% or so... I am not saying people cannot have better win rates, but just not right with 68%
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Re: throwing a game[pending]es

Postby eddie2 on Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:59 am

this case is going to be good to watch.. there are several outcomes to this from what i can see.

1) if more games are found a block between the 2 of them...

then also because of the game chat in the game in the op.

manipulation of the scoreboard this comes under special case (from what i remember same as point dumping.)
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Re: throwing a game[pending]es

Postby jsnyder748 on Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:06 am

Totals Field Marshal +11944 641 from 1076(60%) 2368 (49) Warmonger (85%)1378 Point Hoarder (0.528)
mine^^ if i map ranked correctly

I have been colonel or brig for the majority of 8 man games so point hoarder is a given when playing das schloss or other objective maps. I started out with normal escalating freestyle and transitioned to objective escalating when i realized its potential so long ago. I think you will find that objective does provide a much higher win percentage. and what they do is not too out of the ordinary for objective players. I probably have played more 8 person objective than anyone on cc however.

explain to me why 68 percent is unbelievable? 8 person without objective is what you seem to be talking about

EDIT: it seems as if my maprank ads in quads freestyle as well. that may explain the .528 and high win percentage.
I try clicking on assassin terminator and standard only but it still seems to add in quads in some way...
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Re: throwing a game[pending]

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:59 am

Totals Field Marshal +4367 364 from 1403(26%) 1518 (55) Serial Killer (71%)569 Point Hoarder (0.735) Your stats... Just like mine you have a 26% win.. 3% higher than me, but in the same vain.
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Re: throwing a game[pending]

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:08 am

Here is Kiron alone...

Totals2 Brigadier40 +2460 92 from 172(53%) 474 (9) Warmonger (89%)76 N00b Farmer (0.453)

Waterloo2 Colonel337 +1663 53 from 79(67%) 295 Grim Reaper (93%)123 N00b Farmer (0.391) <--- It takes a lot to get that low of a rank vs you.
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Re: throwing a game[pending]

Postby smegal69 on Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:32 am

Game 10773020 :-$

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Re: throwing a game[pending]

Postby SirJohn13 on Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:53 am

I don't find the 68% win rate between the two of them strange at all. 8-player freestyle games in objective maps like Third Crusade are quite tricky, allowing the player who has mastered them to win much more frequently than 1/8 of the times. Of course occasionally you might fall victim to very bad dice or an unreasonable attack by some noob. If however there are 2 players who excel in these settings, the chances that 1 of them wins can be extremely high (even 75-80% wouldn't surprise me), it is some sort of a guaranteee
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Re: throwing a game[pending]

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:00 am

SirJohn13 wrote:I don't find the 68% win rate between the two of them strange at all. 8-player freestyle games in objective maps like Third Crusade are quite tricky, allowing the player who has mastered them to win much more frequently than 1/8 of the times. Of course occasionally you might fall victim to very bad dice or an unreasonable attack by some noob. If however there are 2 players who excel in these settings, the chances that 1 of them wins can be extremely high (even 75-80% wouldn't surprise me), it is some sort of a guaranteee



Did you look at the stats of me and Jsynder.. our stats are very close. J plays his fair share of fs games on maps like they play. Why is he soo low and they are soo high? Surely he does not suck that bad!
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Re: throwing a game[pending]

Postby jsnyder748 on Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:15 am

Bruceswar wrote:
SirJohn13 wrote:I don't find the 68% win rate between the two of them strange at all. 8-player freestyle games in objective maps like Third Crusade are quite tricky, allowing the player who has mastered them to win much more frequently than 1/8 of the times. Of course occasionally you might fall victim to very bad dice or an unreasonable attack by some noob. If however there are 2 players who excel in these settings, the chances that 1 of them wins can be extremely high (even 75-80% wouldn't surprise me), it is some sort of a guaranteee



Did you look at the stats of me and Jsynder.. our stats are very close. J plays his fair share of fs games on maps like they play. Why is he soo low and they are soo high? Surely he does not suck that bad!


I just searched for games (not maprank) I had only played 680 or so 8 person freestyle games not 1,400. I searched standard assassin terminator, 8 people, freestyle.

Surely you can't be serious, and don't call me SHIRLEY!

If you look at my das win percentage on 8 person it probably doesn't even compare to 58 percent though. :/
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Re: throwing a game[pending]

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:52 am

I was wondering how long it would take for this thread to come out.
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Re: throwing a game[pending]

Postby KraphtOne on Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:02 am

Snyder... They shouldn't be allowed to play in games with each other... Kiron has been busted for multis and banned from playing standard games with "housemates" before...

Giving someone that has done so many shady things over his time here the benefit of the doubt... It's crazy...
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Re: throwing a game[pending]

Postby Chariot of Fire on Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:08 am

Bruce is right.
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Re: throwing a game[pending]

Postby jsnyder748 on Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:42 am

KraphtOne wrote:Snyder... They shouldn't be allowed to play in games with each other... Kiron has been busted for multis and banned from playing standard games with "housemates" before...

Giving someone that has done so many shady things over his time here the benefit of the doubt... It's crazy...


I never said anything about where I stand as far as whether I believe they shouldn't play together. I agree with you if anything. if me and zidane - 21 (my real life friend) played all these games together it would not be alright. It would be unfair.

I am arguing his skill level. It was called into question by maybe someone who doesn't understand fully. I know most of you do understand, however.
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