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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby nietzsche on Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:24 pm

Seulessliathan wrote:
Kiron wrote: It's all baseless speculation anyways just bc we are RL friends. Of course, you can't prove or disprove it, so it's innocence until proven guilty (you're going to have to trust our word, hard i know).


Good luck with that opinion, Brucewar and Scott-Land got blocked from each other with less evidence.


Were Scott-Land and Bruceswar suspected of being multies? Odd, they are two different persons.

Anyway, I just talked with some important mods, the ruling will be Blocking them from playing in the same game.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby xiangwang on Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:29 pm

nietzsche wrote:
Seulessliathan wrote:
Kiron wrote: It's all baseless speculation anyways just bc we are RL friends. Of course, you can't prove or disprove it, so it's innocence until proven guilty (you're going to have to trust our word, hard i know).


Good luck with that opinion, Brucewar and Scott-Land got blocked from each other with less evidence.


Were Scott-Land and Bruceswar suspected of being multies? Odd, they are two different persons.

Anyway, I just talked with some important mods, the ruling will be Blocking them from playing in the same game.


Wait why? Because of some cherry picked accusations? Chariot's entire accusation was based on the the fact that we can win more games playing together than not together. However, when comparing to statistics our win rates are the same with and without each other on 8 player freestyle! We already mentioned the reasons we like playing together.

Are we blocked because we live in the same house and are friends in RL? Is it because no one can truly prove we can conduct secret diplomacy because no one has control of RL? If any of the latter 2 reasons for the ruling then would it not make sense that NO one in the same household can play games together? You can't just cherry pick people to block and not block others.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby nietzsche on Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:59 pm

xiangwang wrote:
nietzsche wrote:
Seulessliathan wrote:
Kiron wrote: It's all baseless speculation anyways just bc we are RL friends. Of course, you can't prove or disprove it, so it's innocence until proven guilty (you're going to have to trust our word, hard i know).


Good luck with that opinion, Brucewar and Scott-Land got blocked from each other with less evidence.


Were Scott-Land and Bruceswar suspected of being multies? Odd, they are two different persons.

Anyway, I just talked with some important mods, the ruling will be Blocking them from playing in the same game.


Wait why? Because of some cherry picked accusations? Chariot's entire accusation was based on the the fact that we can win more games playing together than not together. However, when comparing to statistics our win rates are the same with and without each other on 8 player freestyle! We already mentioned the reasons we like playing together.

Are we blocked because we live in the same house and are friends in RL? Is it because no one can truly prove we can conduct secret diplomacy because no one has control of RL? If any of the latter 2 reasons for the ruling then would it not make sense that NO one in the same household can play games together? You can't just cherry pick people to block and not block others.


I did not talk to mods, sorry. :( But it seems clear this is the punishment you will receive.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby eddie2 on Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:15 pm

KraphtOne wrote:Heard it mentioned earlier. Just wanted to clarify... You can take turns within a second or two on two separate accounts...

If you're fast enough someone would need an ip checker to even know you're playing 2 accounts from the same computer...

Just takes Firefox... And a separate browser, we'll say Internet explorer...

And congrats you have two accounts opened in the same game on 2 different windows...

And no-one would ever know... You could do it for years...

Go ahead, try it out... And if you get caught just say you have a brother or something


or if it is the same as my computers you can have 2 laptops on one on each knee and they both have different ip addresses...because i can log into my next door neighbors router because it is not secured.

or even what i do now i have 2 routers in the house 1 mine 1 for the kids 2 use with security settings on these both have different ip's
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby xiangwang on Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:17 pm

nietzsche wrote:
xiangwang wrote:
nietzsche wrote:
Seulessliathan wrote:
Kiron wrote: It's all baseless speculation anyways just bc we are RL friends. Of course, you can't prove or disprove it, so it's innocence until proven guilty (you're going to have to trust our word, hard i know).


Good luck with that opinion, Brucewar and Scott-Land got blocked from each other with less evidence.


Were Scott-Land and Bruceswar suspected of being multies? Odd, they are two different persons.

Anyway, I just talked with some important mods, the ruling will be Blocking them from playing in the same game.


Wait why? Because of some cherry picked accusations? Chariot's entire accusation was based on the the fact that we can win more games playing together than not together. However, when comparing to statistics our win rates are the same with and without each other on 8 player freestyle! We already mentioned the reasons we like playing together.

Are we blocked because we live in the same house and are friends in RL? Is it because no one can truly prove we can conduct secret diplomacy because no one has control of RL? If any of the latter 2 reasons for the ruling then would it not make sense that NO one in the same household can play games together? You can't just cherry pick people to block and not block others.


I did not talk to mods, sorry. :( But it seems clear this is the punishment you will receive.


Why is this the clear punishment? No rules were broken. All the statistics and examples Chariot used were refuted in a plausible manner. Is it because there is a taint of suspicion? When does CC make decisions based on tains of suspicion? Just because 2012 olympic woman swimmer from China won the Gold medal in i forget which event, the US coach said she must be doping because she broke on the men's record in the last run and world record. Did the olympic committee disqualify her because there was a taint? No it did not because the proof was circumstantial and was plausibly explained. In the same example just because we win games in games where we play together, does it mean we are cheating? No, our win rates are the same with or without each other.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby IR1SH ACE on Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:31 pm

just wanted to add one or two things to the case....

Kiron has already been blocked from playin in same game with "roommate" once... Kiron/Drakeavril...2 for the price of 1! [blocked]

the player Kiron was blocked from playin...drakeavril

played 14 Standard games together..... Kiron wins 11.... drakeavril wins nothing

during the case Kiron confirms there roommates...
so i can't play games with my housemate anymore?

what is interestin bout this is the day the verdict is handed out...
king achilles on Fri May 29, 2009 7:45 am

and surprise surprise, when did xiangwang join the site?....... Fri May 29, 2009 3:39 pm

only 7 and 1/2 hours after ur blocked from playin ur freestyle special games with one roommate a brand new roommate comes along and its business as usual....nice

this along with the the couple of multis u got busted with recently does not look well....how many roommates u got?

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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby xiangwang on Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:58 pm

IR1SH ACE wrote:just wanted to add one or two things to the case....

Kiron has already been blocked from playin in same game with "roommate" once... Kiron/Drakeavril...2 for the price of 1! [blocked]

the player Kiron was blocked from playin...drakeavril

played 14 Standard games together..... Kiron wins 11.... drakeavril wins nothing

during the case Kiron confirms there roommates...
so i can't play games with my housemate anymore?

what is interestin bout this is the day the verdict is handed out...
king achilles on Fri May 29, 2009 7:45 am

and surprise surprise, when did xiangwang join the site?....... Fri May 29, 2009 3:39 pm

only 7 and 1/2 hours after ur blocked from playin ur freestyle special games with one roommate a brand new roommate comes along and its business as usual....nice

this along with the the couple of multis u got busted with recently does not look well....how many roommates u got?

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There is 6 of us in the house why? Anyways, I didn't really play with kiron in my beginning games because they told me about the site, so i was interested. What's your point? By the time I actually really played with kiron I was already 3000+ points...King Achilles also never said we can't play with housemates.

I admit that profile looked more suspicious as if drakeavril didn't do much (it does look more like drake was giving kiron points, perhaps why the block), but my win rate is just as high with or without kiron and vice versa, we don't give each other games (minus that 1 side deal due to misunderstanding of the rules). You can't compare me to drakeavril.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby codeblue1018 on Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:21 pm

Birds of a feather..........and the shit continues to pile up. Mate, you and Kiron are an embarrassment to this site and will always be in the court of public opinion regardless on how this all pans out; just remember that.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby codeblue1018 on Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:23 pm

IR1SH ACE wrote:just wanted to add one or two things to the case....

Kiron has already been blocked from playin in same game with "roommate" once... Kiron/Drakeavril...2 for the price of 1! [blocked]

the player Kiron was blocked from playin...drakeavril

played 14 Standard games together..... Kiron wins 11.... drakeavril wins nothing

during the case Kiron confirms there roommates...
so i can't play games with my housemate anymore?

what is interestin bout this is the day the verdict is handed out...
king achilles on Fri May 29, 2009 7:45 am

and surprise surprise, when did xiangwang join the site?....... Fri May 29, 2009 3:39 pm

only 7 and 1/2 hours after ur blocked from playin ur freestyle special games with one roommate a brand new roommate comes along and its business as usual....nice

this along with the the couple of multis u got busted with recently does not look well....how many roommates u got?

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Very Interesting.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby xiangwang on Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:59 pm

codeblue1018 wrote:Birds of a feather..........and the shit continues to pile up. Mate, you and Kiron are an embarrassment to this site and will always be in the court of public opinion regardless on how this all pans out; just remember that.


Why, because we can get over 50% wins playing with each other or playing alone on 8 player freestyle? Now stop being jealous and join one of my games if you want to prove how good you are (don't worry, Kiron is not playing anymore).

P.S. Kiron is no longer conqueror anymore (just knocked him out) :D
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby IcePack on Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:05 pm

codeblue1018 wrote:
IR1SH ACE wrote:just wanted to add one or two things to the case....

Kiron has already been blocked from playin in same game with "roommate" once... Kiron/Drakeavril...2 for the price of 1! [blocked]

the player Kiron was blocked from playin...drakeavril

played 14 Standard games together..... Kiron wins 11.... drakeavril wins nothing

during the case Kiron confirms there roommates...
so i can't play games with my housemate anymore?

what is interestin bout this is the day the verdict is handed out...
king achilles on Fri May 29, 2009 7:45 am

and surprise surprise, when did xiangwang join the site?....... Fri May 29, 2009 3:39 pm

only 7 and 1/2 hours after ur blocked from playin ur freestyle special games with one roommate a brand new roommate comes along and its business as usual....nice

this along with the the couple of multis u got busted with recently does not look well....how many roommates u got?

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Very Interesting.


Wow, come on...is being blocked even adequate at this point?
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby codeblue1018 on Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:15 pm

xiangwang wrote:
codeblue1018 wrote:Birds of a feather..........and the shit continues to pile up. Mate, you and Kiron are an embarrassment to this site and will always be in the court of public opinion regardless on how this all pans out; just remember that.


Why, because we can get over 50% wins playing with each other or playing alone on 8 player freestyle? Now stop being jealous and join one of my games if you want to prove how good you are (don't worry, Kiron is not playing anymore).

P.S. Kiron is no longer conqueror anymore (just knocked him out) :D


Jealous of you? Please mate; I wouldn't switch spots with you even if it incorporated money. So, let me get this straight, you're bragging about a win %??? What does that mean? Is my 62% win rate something I should brag about? Not at all mate. You're a 2-3 hit wonder here; expand your horizons and watch those precious points drop like rock. Ok, back on topic.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby xiangwang on Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:16 pm

codeblue1018 wrote:
xiangwang wrote:
codeblue1018 wrote:Birds of a feather..........and the shit continues to pile up. Mate, you and Kiron are an embarrassment to this site and will always be in the court of public opinion regardless on how this all pans out; just remember that.


Why, because we can get over 50% wins playing with each other or playing alone on 8 player freestyle? Now stop being jealous and join one of my games if you want to prove how good you are (don't worry, Kiron is not playing anymore).

P.S. Kiron is no longer conqueror anymore (just knocked him out) :D


Jealous of you? Please mate; I wouldn't switch spots with you even if it incorporated money. So, let me get this straight, you're bragging about a win %??? What does that mean? Is my 62% win rate something I should brag about? Not at all mate. You're a 2-3 hit wonder here; expand your horizons and watch those precious points drop like rock. Ok, back on topic.



At least we try to help this site in areas like strategy sections and teach new players how improve their game if they want to just earn points, which MANY do (unless you're calling the strategy guide i wrote invalid). What have you done to help other players? Heck look at this game http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=9149187. Tennischamps literally used my strategy guide and took down MC and Kiron, at least we attempt to help other players. Here is his/her quotes

tennischamp5 wrote:Game 9149187

I read this thread four or five days ago... and was thinking, wow... these are some really interesting strategies... I really want to try them out one day. I'd also been dying to play against mc, kiron, or xiang for ages.

Well, I can attest that it definitely works :p

Pity Xiangwang wasn't in it too... I would've loved to see him in action too.

So thanks alot guys :) Your strategies and hints helped me learn a lot. Aiming for colonel by game 400 now... though we'll see if I ever reach it... i have too much fun playing the random 1v1s and exploring the weirder maps out there :)
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby nietzsche on Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:21 pm

IR1SH ACE wrote:just wanted to add one or two things to the case....

Kiron has already been blocked from playin in same game with "roommate" once... Kiron/Drakeavril...2 for the price of 1! [blocked]

the player Kiron was blocked from playin...drakeavril

played 14 Standard games together..... Kiron wins 11.... drakeavril wins nothing

during the case Kiron confirms there roommates...
so i can't play games with my housemate anymore?

what is interestin bout this is the day the verdict is handed out...
king achilles on Fri May 29, 2009 7:45 am

and surprise surprise, when did xiangwang join the site?....... Fri May 29, 2009 3:39 pm

only 7 and 1/2 hours after ur blocked from playin ur freestyle special games with one roommate a brand new roommate comes along and its business as usual....nice

this along with the the couple of multis u got busted with recently does not look well....how many roommates u got?

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Wow.

Another shameful Conqueror to the list.

This settles it.

I jsut talked to very important mods, they are handing Kiron and xianwang a website ban. Start thinking about a new nickname.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby Koganosi on Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:30 pm

If this guy gets busted again I am gonna laugh, how much times did he get up being busted? And btw if he gets busted, plx strip him of the conquerer medal, else the value of that medal keeps decreasing.

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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby codeblue1018 on Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:31 pm

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codeblue1018 wrote:
xiangwang wrote:
codeblue1018 wrote:Birds of a feather..........and the shit continues to pile up. Mate, you and Kiron are an embarrassment to this site and will always be in the court of public opinion regardless on how this all pans out; just remember that.


Why, because we can get over 50% wins playing with each other or playing alone on 8 player freestyle? Now stop being jealous and join one of my games if you want to prove how good you are (don't worry, Kiron is not playing anymore).

P.S. Kiron is no longer conqueror anymore (just knocked him out) :D


Jealous of you? Please mate; I wouldn't switch spots with you even if it incorporated money. So, let me get this straight, you're bragging about a win %??? What does that mean? Is my 62% win rate something I should brag about? Not at all mate. You're a 2-3 hit wonder here; expand your horizons and watch those precious points drop like rock. Ok, back on topic.



At least we try to help this site in areas like strategy sections and teach new players how improve their game if they want to just earn points, which MANY do (unless you're calling the strategy guide i wrote invalid). What have you done to help other players? Heck look at this game http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=9149187. Tennischamps literally used my strategy guide and took down MC and Kiron, at least we attempt to help other players.


Mate, are you smoking dope? How does win% turn into helping other players earn points and strategy guide writing? Put down the pipe, take a breath and relax. It appears you are very tired with the plethora of posts that you responded to today. To answer you question, I don't believe I questioned any of your assistance toward this site. As far as me, providing instruction to others frankly isn't my job; if a player asks a question regarding game strat, I'm happy to oblige.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby king achilles on Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:03 pm

Ok, I think we have enough for now. This is already 10 pages for us to read and evaluate on so I'm locking it until a verdict is reached.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[pending]sn

Postby sniffie on Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:16 pm

After discussing this case with the other C&A mods, we have come to the conclusion that both accused are guilty of conducting secret diplomacy.
They have received a 1 week website ban and are blocked from playing each other.

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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[banned/blocked]sn

Postby Koganosi on Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:55 pm

Boom the bom just dropped.

Now will get Kiron stripped of his conquerer medal, due to the fact he got it by doing SD another guy???

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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[banned/blocked]sn

Postby ben1212 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:20 pm

1 week only? I think the sentence should be a bit tougher because they cheated alot of players of their points
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[banned/blocked]sn

Postby Tenebrus on Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:16 pm

I just wanted to tip my hat to the mod team on this one. There'll be a lot of whinging no doubt from both sides, but I think you took the right approach. Xiangwang and Kiron probably did engage in a bit of underhandedness but they are also both excellent players who earned almost all of their points fairly - a really hard one to deal with. Good job.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[banned/blocked]sn

Postby eddie2 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:48 pm

sniggie can i ask where the 1 week website ban came from there is nothing that issues 1 week website ban..

i have never seen a 1 week website ban so was this miss wording and meant to be 1 month....


edit and since you do not get ejected from any games if these to are freemiums and active in any games will they actually get any form of ban with as short as a week. because they can keep on playing 2 finish there games.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[banned/blocked]sn

Postby Funkyterrance on Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:38 pm

Add a stripping of the conqueror medal and a partial point reset and I'd say this is a fair decision. Otherwise, it's pretty lame.
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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[banned/blocked]sn

Postby Gilligan on Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:48 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:Add a stripping of the conqueror medal and a partial point reset and I'd say this is a fair decision. Otherwise, it's pretty lame.


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Re: Kiron & xiangwang[banned/blocked]sn

Postby Chariot of Fire on Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:10 pm

The Conqueror medal does seem very undeserving given the events that led up to its acquisition. It took me the best part of a day to do all the research - I might not bother in future. The ruling is less of a punishment and more of an inconvenience as it affects their future gameplay and has no retroactive bearing on Kiron's undeserved title.
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