Kiron & xiangwang[banned/blocked]sn

[Tenebrus]

Excellent questions Rodion.

Oops?

ETA: If you share a computer - ever, then you have to be barred from the same games. How can you maintain fog if you are sharing the same computer sometimes?

[xiangwang]

This is getting interesting.

Do you share a computer or does each of you own one?

King Achilles already asked us that question. We have 1 common desktop in the house in the main living room. We also have our own laptops. Kiron was using the common desktop when i was logged in checking the forums (we never look at each other's games, it's unsporty nor do we need to, we can predict where most troops are anyways). He forgot to log me off

P.S. It's already been established we are not multis.

Anyways, this is getting off topic. Chariot's case relies on the fact that

A. We are perfect and CANNOT make mistakes
B. Our win rates playing together are significantly higher than playing alone
C. We have intention to cheat and play as a team


Regarding

A. This is wrong on so many levels that I won't bother answering it
B. It's already shown that they are not statistically different
C. This cannot be proven, and the one time we made a deal was based on misunderstanding of the rules

[Tenebrus]

And if you take turns on the common desktop, has there never been a situation where Kiron/you forgets to log out completely before you sit down and take your turn? Have you really never seen fog from both of your perspectives?

It's really hard to believe that you both ensure that level of care about the issue - I know I wouldn't be that fascist about it with a room-mate. And it's difficult for you to claim to be when you're obviously lax enough with it to accidentally post from each other's account.

Given all that - can you come up with a reason why you shouldn't be barred from playing together?

[xiangwang]

And if you take turns on the common desktop, has there never been a situation where Kiron/you forgets to log out completely before you sit down and take your turn? Have you really never seen fog from both of your perspectives?

It's really hard to believe that you both ensure that level of care about the issue - I know I wouldn't be that fascist about it with a room-mate. And it's difficult for you to claim to be when you're obviously lax enough with it to accidentally post from each other's account.

Given all that - can you come up with a reason why you shouldn't be barred from playing together?

We usually take great care, this instance was an instance of forum posting so we won't have the game menu screen to remind us who is actually logged in. Also if there EVER was a case, one forgets to log off, then we would realize it's someone else's account based on the game screen where ur name is highlighted before u enter the map. I know I would log off immediately and I would assume Kiron would do the same. It's no fun looking at each other's screens in fog anyways, because a fun part is guessing where troops are, and that takes it away.

[Tenebrus]

That's what I would say in your place, but put yourself in other people's shoes. It's hard to believe that you never look over Kiron's shoulder, or vice versa. That you never forget to completely log out. That an unfair advantage is never given.

I don't think for a minute you guys are systematically farming or cheating, but anyone who plays with you can't be sure and there's no way to guarantee you're not getting a subtle advantage because of it. Hard to see any other right answer than barring from you playing together. If you're both as good as I think you are, it'll be fine.

[Keefie]

Caught with both hands in the Cookie jar..

'We usually take great care...' Careful not to get caught, more like - Well you fucked that one up.

Kiron , Rank = CHEATERER

[xiangwang]

That's what I would say in your place, but put yourself in other people's shoes. It's hard to believe that you never look over Kiron's shoulder, or vice versa. That you never forget to completely log out. That an unfair advantage is never given.

I don't think for a minute you guys are systematically farming or cheating, but anyone who plays with you can't be sure and there's no way to guarantee you're not getting a subtle advantage because of it. Hard to see any other right answer than barring from you playing together. If you're both as good as I think you are, it'll be fine.

Even if that would be the case, and the moderators view it that way, then we would just stop play FOG games together, seeing each other's map have no impact on Sunny games.

Regarding FOG games, one of the fun aspect is guessing, Kiron and I are competitive, this adds another level to attempt to outplay each other. Looking at each other's map takes the fun away, we have no incentive to do that when we can almost accurately guess most of the deployments (MC can attest to that)

[Tenebrus]

And maybe that'd do it, although it still doesn't help with people feeling like you play by different rules with each other than against other people (no backstabbing for example). It also doesn't address that it can be really important to know when a player in a 24 hour fs game is going to take their turns. There's other advantages you could get even in sunny games.

I think that you can probably see why people can't be sure - why play with that cloud over you, and with people feeling like there's an injustice going on. Do you really need to play against each other in multiplayer games? No-one's stopping you playing dubs, trips or quads together if you want to hang out online.

[xiangwang]

And maybe that'd do it, although it still doesn't help with people feeling like you play by different rules with each other than against other people (no backstabbing for example). It also doesn't address that it can be really important to know when a player in a 24 hour fs game is going to take their turns. There's other advantages you could get even in sunny games.

I think that you can probably see why people can't be sure - why play with that cloud over you, and with people feeling like there's an injustice going on. Do you really need to play against each other in multiplayer games? No-one's stopping you playing dubs, trips or quads together if you want to hang out online.

We do backstab (only when we know the other side can't retaliate properly), I have kicked Kiron to the other side of the map before knowing he can't retaliate and vice versa. We don't attack each other if we know we won't have overwhelming victory or ally support because we know how to defend ourselves and it seems like a futile effort being bogged down into an unproductive war while other players race towards the objective.

We spend enough time online that most of the time it doesn't matter so we know when most people play.

We already addressed the dubs, trips, and quads problem, We like to play against each other, it's more challenging. we also like diplomacy, because I admit, my win rates DROPS when there are less players bc I can't use the time to maneuvre myself into a favorable position or if I make mistakes, I have less time to recover when there are less players. Also, it's been established that I can only win a certain % of games, I'm not going to play settings where I don't at least break even in points when my win/loss tally comes up. Playing dubs 4 player freestyle is just as hard as playing 8 players freestyle if not harder and we get rewarded with 1/2 the points if not less, but lose the same with a loss.

P.S. When starting a game, an advantage is already given based on map settings. People play with friends/clan mates all the time, I have no clue whether they backstab or not. Overall, the bonus is the same.

Say if person X and Y are clanmates/friends and they play many singles 8 player freestyle or seq games together. Person X wins 20% of his games without person Y present and then wins 21% with person Y present. Person Y wins 15% of games in 8 player without person X present and wins 17% with Person X present. Would people accuse them of cheating?

[Tenebrus]

Yeah, but you have to balance the benefit to 2 players out of x thousand in playing against each other vs tainting the gameplay of a large number of players who play against you both and can't be sure that you aren't cheating.

I get that it sucks, but you have to see it from other people's perspective.

[qwert]

ok, people its time to enter into spiritual world. These seance will lead famous spiritual medium xiangwang . He will try to make contact with Kiron , ghost trap between two worlds. Xiangwang will drop into trances, and then Kiron will take control,and speak through hem. Please take your seats, light a candle, and take in hand. Its time to start......ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[xiangwang]

ok, people its time to enter into spiritual world. These seance will lead famous spiritual medium xiangwang . He will try to make contact with Kiron , ghost trap between two worlds. Xiangwang will drop into trances, and then Kiron will take control,and speak through hem. Please take your seats, light a candle, and take in hand. Its time to start......ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

That's actually pretty funny!

[freakns]

that actually is easier to believe then story you are trying to sell!

[rishaed]

that actually is easier to believe then story you are trying to sell!

[qwert]

ok, people its time to enter into spiritual world. These seance will lead famous spiritual medium xiangwang . He will try to make contact with Kiron , ghost trap between two worlds. Xiangwang will drop into trances, and then Kiron will take control,and speak through hem. Please take your seats, light a candle, and take in hand. Its time to start......ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

That's actually pretty funny!

ok, are we speak with xiangwang or kiron?