icepack
josko.ri
emilywink
The accused are suspected of:
Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Throwing games
Deadbeating
etc
Game number(s):
Game 17711698
Game 17751837
Game 17751838
Game 17692175
Comments:
I have never complained about anyone here in the C&A before.
But I need to have an official ruling on the sad things going on in tribe games right now. There is no doubt that it will escalate in the future if this become a legal game strategy. And there is no doubt that it will destroy a lot of players fun here at CC.
Right now we have an unwritten rule saying, that it is ok for a single player to play for a tournament win in the end of it. Also if that means attacking full force into another player to avoid them taking your win from you.
That will usely happen in the last game out of many.
But it is still against the rules to throw games, benefitting from thrown games, deadbeating and use secret diplomacy etc. in all other situations.
Now we have a new situation in the Olympic. There is both an individuel fight and a tribal fight for first place.
So in multi games I am now being targettet from other tribe players with the solely plan to prevent me from scoring. And they admit that this is a strategy used by there tribe.
They are throwing games in round 2 in escalating, using secret diplomacy and attacking full speed in games to help there tribemates in other games but same tournament. Said in other words, they are attacking to prevent someone to win on their own cost of winning as well.
There is a lot of situations so I will just mention a few here.
Game 17711698
At Iceland we got 9 starting positions. And even though it is escalating there is often a fight for some bonus at that map in 4 player games.
In round 2 Icepack attacked and took 4 regions from me, with in all 11 troops and no regions had les than 2 troops. And those 4 regions was spread all over the map in 4 diffent bonus regions.
So it was for sure not a normal, lets take a cheap spoil attacking a 1, or going for a bonus.
Actually he took away half of our boths troops in round 2 in an escalating game.
I approach him in chat and he assured me that it was nothing personal at all.
So it can only have been to help Risen against firebirds.
He kept attacking me each round from there. Round 3 seems he attacked red but it was only a 1 troop to hit my stack again.
In round 7 he finally got us out by again attacking 3 regions, with zero chance of anything, and did make it easy for one of the other two players to take down the game easily.
We had 3 games in that particularly round and he attacked me, all he could, in all 3 games in round two, but this one mentioned, had the best effect for him.
In that particularly tournament, we had so far played 2 out of a total of 11 games, in round 1. This mentioned round is round 2, with 3 games. And after that we have a 3rd round with 6 games.
So Icepack cant even say, that he helped his Risen mate take down the win, in last game, as we had only finished 2/11 games at that point.
Both of us had zero chance at winning after his attack in round 2. And even after that he kept attacking me each round. I call it to throw the game to one of the two other players. Icepack as a mod says it is not.
He is a mod so he should know. So please enlighten me what cc means by throwing a game if this is not it.
Game 17751837 and Game 17751838 and Game 17751836
Again 3 games where Icepacks only goal is to attack me and lower my chance at winning. He is not at all playing for a win for himself.
At Game 17751837 he has used all deployes so far to attack my bonus. Often with something like 4 or 5 against 9-11. Therefore looking in log it seems like he is attacking a lot of other players, but that is only for a card, as he missed that repeadetly attacking my big stack. You can see that he deployes closest as possible to my bonus.
These card attacks also left him with a lot of 1's across the map easy for other to see as a cardspot.
We are now in round 7 and he just carded and used all troops to attack my bonus again. Without succes though as I had a nice stack waiting for him.
I cant complain much over my situation at that game, as I had a bonus for many rounds, and so did others. But that doesnt change the actions of Icepack.
Icepack is still using every troop attacking me, even though he is down to 13 troops and should try and survive himself, instead of deadbeating into me.
At Game 17751838 same circus. He cant attack my bonus easily though so he attacks the regions available for him.
A long that he managed to take down a bonus himself, but only protected by 1's and 2's.
Now in round 7 he trades in cards and gets 20 troops. One should think he wanted to either protect his own bonus a bit, or even better make a strategy of how to make a run later, for the win.
But Icepack didnt do that. He attacked ful force into my bonus. 27V3,12 to break. He had great dice though, so continued attacking, so that he all in all went 27v3,12,8,6,1 and took me out of there.
So he cant even say, he attacked to break my bonus, as he continued attacking to take as many troops from me as possible.
He can say he now got the bonus, 3 pr. round only costing him 27, here at the end of game
But it is only secured by 1's, so he cant even say that as an excuse
Btw he only took half my troops, so it was not a run for a kill in any way. Just a destroying attack.
At Game 17751836 he tried the same. But I managed to take out his regions at my bonus area and now he cant attack before carding. But again if you look at stats you can see that it cost him the game trying.
Game 17692175
In this game emilywink went full force attacking me in round 16, to avoid me having a chance of winning. From gamelog and chat you cant see how many troops she killed, but is was 20 in round 16. In round 17 it was 50 troops to break a 10 bonus. In round 18 it was another 54 to break the 10 bonus again. And from there I had to withdraw for not getting more troops killed.
After that I was out of the game lacking around 70-90 troops and only half the bonus, compared to the leading player. And with no chance of a win with 2 rounds left.
Earlier on other āsmallā players were attacking the leading players. But they just evened out the play, to have a chance of their own.
Emily went solely after me with no chance at all of getting a win herself.
Looking at the counts right now I am no longer fully out, but that is only because one of the āsmallā players wanted fairplay, and used up a lot of his troops, to even out the game again on his own cost.
Problem here is that emilywink was playing to help Josko. We only have two 8 man games left.
This one and Game 17692174 where josko is playing.
Josko got 3 wins and I got 2. So if Josko cant win his last game I can advance to winner of the tournament if I win my game.
After some accusing in chat where they both denied, Josko came up with there tribes game strategy.
Quote from Josko:
2017-10-20 17:57:40 - josko.ri: dkmaster, if someone is playing for his Tribe winning points, that is quite justified goal.
2017-10-20 17:58:21 - josko.ri: Everyones first goal is winning as a player, but if that is impossible, then everyones second goal is win as a Tribe, this is called Tribal Olympics
2017-10-20 17:59:19 - josko.ri: Therefore, if I cannot help myself as a player because I already lost chances, but can help my Tribe, then I woulde definitely choose to help my Tribe's score. There is no bad sportmanship in that
And a quote from emeliwink:
2017-10-20 19:04:47 - emilywink: totally understand you are upset
So they both admit that they are breaking the rules !!
For some this maybe seems stupid to write about. But in the Olympic we are playing a lot of both 1v1 and multiplayer games.
Number of games depends on how you are doing. Some tournaments all players stay until the end with the same number of games and in others players are eliminated as we go.
1v1 games are ofcourse not effected by this game strategy of Josko and Icepack. But it is still devastating to use a lot of hours fighting for your chance at the individuel titel and then get crushed in the multi games by them breaking the rules.
If you play all tournaments you will have :
1v1 app. between 102 and 291 games
multi app. between 61 and 131 games
If this coordinated rule breaking behavior of Josko and Icepacks tribes somehow are ruled as ok. Then next year you will se all advanced tribes doing the same.
The number of multi games effected, will be a lot higher than 131, as all tournaments are run in multiple dublets. My gues is around 7-900 multigames with a lot of throwing games, deadbeating, secret diplomacy and ruining the games and fun for a lot of players !!!
Next step will be that tribe players will be used to use that strategy and use it at other multi games as well. And if accused they will say. Sorry thought it was a tribe game.
My bet is, that this will scare away a lot of paying players, that are here to have fun and enjoying the games, and not here to be destructive or upset every second game.
As mentioned at the beginning, we have an unwritten rule, that it is ok for a single player to play for a tournament win in the end of it. Also if that means attacking full force into another player, to avoid them taking your win from you.
That will usely happen in the last game out of many.
But it is still against the rules to throw games, benefitting from thrown games, deadbeating and use secret diplomacy etc. in all other situations.
As far as I know there is no exception from these rules playing in a tribe multi game. So both Josko, emilywink and Icepack did break a lot of these rules by their playing.
So I am asking you to punish them accordingly, as any other player breaking these rules.
If somehow new rules are invented after this. The punishment still have to be after the old rules, which were in affect when this happened.
