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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby Gillipig on Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:06 am

I don't like the colours of this map! I'd like to change all bonus colours except central estonia, south lithuania, west lithuania and west latvia. Have you thought of changing the colour scheme? If you haven't I strongly suggest you should! A fairly standard map gameplay wise like this needs to look brilliant to get people to play it. And finding a harmonious colour theme is absolute key!
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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:29 am

Give me some color ideas. I am open to ideas. :)
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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby natty dread on Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:00 am

I don't know, the colours are pretty ok. I'd only suggest a few changes:

- west Estonia is way too dark. It needs to be lighter than the sea colour at least.
- West & North Lithuania are too similar. Furthermore, all of Lithuania looks like a bit drab. Maybe you could figure out some other colour for lithuania than a broken yellow - I think a warm green would work the best.
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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:14 am

putting the colors aside... how is the game play?
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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:17 am

With this update comes the move back!!
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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:18 am

isaiah40 wrote:With this update comes the move back!!



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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby thenobodies80 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:39 pm

Bruceswar except the island, how many neutral you have on the map and where they are placed?
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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby isaiah40 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:43 pm

My suggestion would be to make one territory in each of the 3 territory bonuses, this will eliminate any initial bonus drops. This will bring you to 43 territories which is a golden number! ;)
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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby Bruceswar on Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:51 am

thenobodies80 wrote:Bruceswar except the island, how many neutral you have on the map and where they are placed?



Just 1 is all I want.
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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:11 am

I would suggest what Isaiah said. Percentages are not so high, but i think it's better to have a neutral in each 3 regions bonus to prevent a lucky drop.
You can have them with just 2 troops if you want, but it's really better to have them.

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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby Peter Gibbons on Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:16 pm

natty dread wrote:I don't know, the colours are pretty ok. I'd only suggest a few changes:

- west Estonia is way too dark. It needs to be lighter than the sea colour at least.
- West & North Lithuania are too similar. Furthermore, all of Lithuania looks like a bit drab. Maybe you could figure out some other colour for lithuania than a broken yellow - I think a warm green would work the best.

On board completely with this second suggestion. Maybe keep south Lithuania with that mustard-like color (or a slightly altered version), but I'd work green hues in to the northern and western sections to show real contrast with Latvia.

On the first suggestion, I was actually going to go in the opposite direction and just suggest that you lighten up the color of the sea. I think that would provide an overall contrast with the rest of the map. But I could be wrong and natty dread's suggestion might be equally valid.
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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:09 am

thenobodies80 wrote:I would suggest what Isaiah said. Percentages are not so high, but i think it's better to have a neutral in each 3 regions bonus to prevent a lucky drop.
You can have them with just 2 troops if you want, but it's really better to have them.

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Hmm Let me think about this a minute and decide what to do here. I will get back to you soon. As for the color changes lets iron out any more game play issues first I think. The color changes do sound reasonable.
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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby Bruceswar on Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:14 pm

Soooo Assuming I added 3 more neutrals I would want them to all be only 1, so they could be taken with ease. Now which territories would they be?
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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:48 pm

Not 3 but 4 more neutrals....1 for each region with 3 territories.

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Re: Baltic States Verion 13 P 14

Postby Oneyed on Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:52 am

some notices to graphics. the main colour problems was mentioned by natty, but:

- add one more tree (or move trees) to north between Rapla and Paide
-it looks that hills between Rezekne and Balvi could be moved a little to west (or add next one)
- the connection between Kardla and Kuressaare is a little hard visible and at she small version will be harder, I think

nice looking simple map. simple is great compliment - sometimes is less more as much ;) . especialy I like background :)

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Re: Baltic States Verion 14 P 15

Postby Bruceswar on Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:52 pm

New Version: Version 14


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New Changes:

Added the extra neutrals in.
Fixed a few small placements.
New Sea Color



Should this be game play stamp ready??
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Re: Baltic States Verion 14 P 15 Gameplay Stamp Ready?

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:15 am

The neutrals should be at 2 or 3 at the most, not at 1. You want it at least a little hard for someone to get the bonus. I think for now this can be stickied.
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Re: Baltic States Verion 14 P 15 Gameplay Stamp Ready?

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:36 am

isaiah40 wrote:The neutrals should be at 2 or 3 at the most, not at 1. You want it at least a little hard for someone to get the bonus. I think for now this can be stickied.



Actually I want those to be a non factor in those regions. If it was totally up to me I would not have those neutrals, but in an effort to even things out some drop wise, I went ahead and put the suggested neutrals. If someone wants to try for that bonus then by all means by my guest. I do not want to log jam that area with neutrals that make this map hard to play from the south.
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Re: Baltic States Verion 14 P 15 Gameplay Stamp Ready?

Postby natty dread on Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:57 am

But 1:s are bad in escalating/flat rate games, because they give very easy cards to the players who happen to drop next to them. 2:s would be a good compromise I think.
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Re: Baltic States Verion 14 P 15 Gameplay Stamp Ready?

Postby Bruceswar on Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:18 am

With 4 1's I think every player will be next to at least one of them. 13 regions border them all so even with 8 players chances are very high you would be next to one.
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Re: Baltic States Verion 14 P 15 Gameplay Stamp Ready?

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:51 am

I'm also in favour of 2 neutrals instead of just 1
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Re: Baltic States Verion 14 P 15 Gameplay Stamp Ready?

Postby Bruceswar on Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:50 pm

This is one item I am going to hold firm on.If and when this is in beta and it is a major problem I will look into it then. Until then I am holding firm with 1 neutrals.
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Re: Baltic States Verion 14 P 15 Gameplay Stamp Ready?

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:02 pm

Just remember that in 1v1 players could drop both territories beside the neutral 1, thereby giving them an easy bonus to grab. Whilst, having a neutral 2 would be just a tad harder, and would make a player think twice about grabbing it if he/she has bad dice trying from the first territory.
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Re: Baltic States Verion 14 P 15 Gameplay Stamp Ready?

Postby Bruceswar on Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:58 am

isaiah40 wrote:Just remember that in 1v1 players could drop both territories beside the neutral 1, thereby giving them an easy bonus to grab. Whilst, having a neutral 2 would be just a tad harder, and would make a player think twice about grabbing it if he/she has bad dice trying from the first territory.



Yep that could happen, but chances are very high player 2 has a chance to break before player 1 goes again.
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Re: Baltic States [3-1-12] Verion 14 P 16 Gameplay Stamp Re

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:26 am

I think the 1s make sense.

With 8 players, there is a 15% chance that at least 1 player starts without an adjacent (to a 1) territory. At 7 players, it drops to less than 10% and keeps getting smaller as the number of players drops. (my Maths are prob Wrong since I am tired, but they can't be too far off.
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