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Re: USA 2.1 [13 Aug 2012] V.265 Pg 25

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:25 am

RjBeals wrote:any reason you chose green, yellow and blue for the colors? Wouldn't red/white/blue be more fitting?

It would, at the same time I had to get colors that contrasted well with each other and that were good for our color blind players. The 888's show up good with these colors so for now I'm going to keep them. But while in graphics I may play with the colors some more.

iancanton wrote:what a good job u've made of the state bonuses! 90% of them are good as is, which is some achievement on a map of this size and complexity.

Thank you!!

iancanton wrote:as mentioned before, the large states with yellow airports will need bigger bonuses to compensate for both their vulnerability to attack and the delay in actually starting to pay out: +9 instead of +6 for california, +8 instead of +5 for texas, +5 instead of +3 for illinois, +7 instead of +5 for new york and +6 instead of +5 for georgia.

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iancanton wrote:the corner location of florida just about compensates for the large number of cities that it has, so we can leave it at +4. for dc, +2 auto-deploy instead of +3 is probably more balanced, since it's initially accessible only from baltimore and will almost certainly form part of a strategy that combines dc with i-95.

Done.

iancanton wrote:for the bonuses that involve state capitals, perhaps include the star symbol to make it clear that dc doesn't count.

For the Interstate bonuses I included "Does not include D.C." As for the other bonuses, I believe that they are clear considering that both the Capital and D.C. bonuses have their associated symbol next to them.

iancanton wrote:the road from plattsburgh to burlington has somehow gone through canada. straighten out the border to fix this.

ian. :)

Done.

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Re: USA 2.1 [30 Aug 2012] V.27 Pg 26

Postby FreeMan10 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:37 am

Wow! Quite some progress from the original version.

A graphics suggestion - change the pink airplanes to green, then change the yellow ones to red. To my eye, the yellow airports get lost in the middle of the map. Possibly just swap pink & yellow, but the complete color changes eliminates the yellow on yellow of LAX and Honolulu.

Also, IL, IN & OH are horribly misshapen from reality, but somehow these colors & borders seem to hide the fact. Either that, or I still have the original images in my mind's eye, and you've actually cleaned up the shape somewhat. Either way, it seems to work now.

EDIT: Also, and I think this was mentioned earlier, the northern border of FL & the north eastern border of GA are a little wonky. They look like impassibles that weren't called out in the legend.
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Re: USA 2.1 [30 Aug 2012] V.27 Pg 26

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:04 am

FreeMan10 wrote:Wow! Quite some progress from the original version.

A graphics suggestion - change the pink airplanes to green, then change the yellow ones to red. To my eye, the yellow airports get lost in the middle of the map. Possibly just swap pink & yellow, but the complete color changes eliminates the yellow on yellow of LAX and Honolulu.

Also, IL, IN & OH are horribly misshapen from reality, but somehow these colors & borders seem to hide the fact. Either that, or I still have the original images in my mind's eye, and you've actually cleaned up the shape somewhat. Either way, it seems to work now.

EDIT: Also, and I think this was mentioned earlier, the northern border of FL & the north eastern border of GA are a little wonky. They look like impassibles that weren't called out in the legend.

Thank you!

I'll play with the color of the planes to see if I can't get them to stick out more. One thing that won't happen is the yellow to red because the red will disappear on the blue for the color blind.

Yes there are some states that are out of whack, I plan on redoing them once into graphics.
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Re: USA 2.1 [13 Aug 2012] V.265 Pg 25

Postby iancanton on Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:29 pm

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iancanton wrote:for the bonuses that involve state capitals, perhaps include the star symbol to make it clear that dc doesn't count.

For the Interstate bonuses I included "Does not include D.C." As for the other bonuses, I believe that they are clear considering that both the Capital and D.C. bonuses have their associated symbol next to them.

the +1 for every 2 capitals bonus is clear. i was actually referring more to the hold all capitals +14 bonus as the one where there might be some confusion.

also, when requesting the reduction in dc auto-deploy from +3 to +2, i had assumed that the i-95 bonus could include dc: by any logic, dc appears to be squarely on i-95, so it's natural for it to count toward the 5 consecutive cities needed.

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Re: USA 2.1 [30 Aug 2012] V.27 Pg 26

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:32 pm

Hmmm ... Well, I'm okay with either way with D.C. I'll add in the Does not include D.C. with the Hold all capitals for the great lakes.
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Re: USA 2.1 [30 Aug 2012] V.27 Pg 26

Postby sumone10154 on Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:01 pm

New England should be renamed to Northeast. New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania are definitely not part of New England. Also, I-95 goes through Trenton.
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Re: USA 2.1 [30 Aug 2012] V.27 Pg 26

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:43 pm

sumone10154 wrote:New England should be renamed to Northeast. New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania are definitely not part of New England. Also, I-95 goes through Trenton.

New England will not be renamed, as then I would have to change Great Lakes because Delaware is not around the great lakes. But I digress, this map is based on the USA map and the USA map pack. Though I can move I-95 so it goes through Trenton.
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Re: USA 2.1 [30 Aug 2012] V.27 Pg 26

Postby iancanton on Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:51 pm

isaiah40 wrote:I can move I-95 so it goes through Trenton.

in this case, the new jersey state bonus increases from +1 to +2.

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Re: USA 2.1 [30 Aug 2012] V.27 Pg 26

Postby isaiah40 on Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:08 pm

Okay ian, I think I covered all your suggestions, so this should do it for game play *crosses fingers* 8-[
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Re: USA 2.1 [30 Aug 2012] V.27 Pg 26

Postby iancanton on Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:09 am

it's certainly been a long time in coming. onward and upward!

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Re: USA 2.1 [3 Sept 2012] V.28 Pg 26

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:17 pm

Now that we're in graphics:

- Redid all the borders
- Moved some army circles and names around slightly

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Re: USA 2.1 [7 Sept 2012] V.29 Pg 26

Postby RjBeals on Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:16 pm

Is this being developed in adobe illustrator?
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Re: USA 2.1 [7 Sept 2012] V.29 Pg 26

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:31 pm

RjBeals wrote:Is this being developed in adobe illustrator?

I am developing it in Adobe Photoshop CS4.
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Re: USA 2.1 [7 Sept 2012] V.29 Pg 26

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:52 pm

Hm, I suppose it's been a while since I was here last, but why the color scheme change?

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Re: USA 2.1 [7 Sept 2012] V.29 Pg 26

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:57 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:Hm, I suppose it's been a while since I was here last, but why the color scheme change?

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Clearer, cleaner, doesn't look cramped, cluttered etc.
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Re: USA 2.1 [7 Sept 2012] V.29 Pg 26

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:59 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:Hm, I suppose it's been a while since I was here last, but why the color scheme change?

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Clearer, cleaner, doesn't look cramped, cluttered etc.

Oh. That's a shame. I liked it much, much better before... Green, yellow, and blue don't really say "USA" to me :|

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Re: USA 2.1 [7 Sept 2012] V.29 Pg 26

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:27 pm

Ok, so what colors?? Besides Red, White and Blue??
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Re: USA 2.1 [7 Sept 2012] V.29 Pg 26

Postby RjBeals on Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:35 am

I say red/white/blue. Who cares about color blindness.
Did you see the USA map I created? Link Here I used red/white/blue and some other colors I thought blended nice.

Also - are you using vector lines in photoshop for borders? or just brush strokes?
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Re: USA 2.1 [7 Sept 2012] V.29 Pg 26

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:38 am

RjBeals wrote:I say red/white/blue. Who cares about color blindness.
Did you see the USA map I created? Link Here I used red/white/blue and some other colors I thought blended nice.

Also - are you using vector lines in photoshop for borders? or just brush strokes?

I like that! I am using vector lines for the borders.
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Re: USA 2.1 [7 Sept 2012] V.29 Pg 26

Postby isaiah40 on Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:50 pm

A few changes here and there, namely changed a couple of the colors, and redid the text on the map itself, so hopefully it is clearer and easier to read.
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Re: USA 2.1 [19 Sept 2012] V.30 Pg 27

Postby ManBungalow on Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:12 pm

Very nice.

You could try adding a background image. Find an image which really says "USA", and place it behind all the other layers. Then turn the opacity of the current grey background to 80% and see how it looks - but obviously it can't be distracting at all. It would perhaps connect this map more to the existing USA map pack. See how it goes, anyway; I know you have a good sense of aesthetics and will be able to judge if something looks really out of order.
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Re: USA 2.1 [19 Sept 2012] V.30 Pg 27

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:55 pm

Colours are a lot better, but I see you have two blues and 3 yellows still. How about make Alaska a white region also and turn Hawaii green? It would help with the mini map as all three yellows are very close to each other.
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Re: USA 2.1 [19 Sept 2012] V.30 Pg 27

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:00 am

ManBungalow wrote:Very nice.

You could try adding a background image. Find an image which really says "USA", and place it behind all the other layers. Then turn the opacity of the current grey background to 80% and see how it looks - but obviously it can't be distracting at all. It would perhaps connect this map more to the existing USA map pack. See how it goes, anyway; I know you have a good sense of aesthetics and will be able to judge if something looks really out of order.

Thanks, I'll play around and see if anything looks good. My concern is that it will make the map look more cluttered and busy than it already is, but we'll see.
koontz1973 wrote:Colours are a lot better, but I see you have two blues and 3 yellows still. How about make Alaska a white region also and turn Hawaii green? It would help with the mini map as all three yellows are very close to each other.

Thanks, but I only have one yellow as The west coast, Alaska and Hawaii are in the Western region for the capitals. So since Alaska is no where near the Great lakes region (3000 miles away), and Hawaii, well, both will stay yellow.
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Re: USA 2.1 [19 Sept 2012] V.30 Pg 27

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:05 am

I like the new color scheme a lot isaiah. It is still a little difficult to make out the state border lines in the southeast, but overall, this looks really good.
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Re: USA 2.1 [19 Sept 2012] V.30 Pg 27

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:50 am

Thanks, but I only have one yellow as The west coast, Alaska and Hawaii are in the Western region for the capitals. So since Alaska is no where near the Great lakes region (3000 miles away), and Hawaii, well, both will stay yellow.

Just noticed that. :oops: Oh well, good thing I like yellow then.
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