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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby dana1971 on Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:34 pm

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ManBungalow wrote:Yeah, I have to say that this needn't be supersize..


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Wow... I thought the point of CC or any game was to have fun. Sure fighting on a cow is a bit silly, but I think a lot of people, including myself, would find it fun. Think of all the cow jokes people are going to make.

There are some really creatively themed maps on CC that go beyond a traditional war theme, and I'd be honored if this was one of them.

Don't get me wrong I like the standard war theme, but as they say variety is the spice of life and a new theme can't be bad if the game play is good. There are a few non war themed maps on CC and I'd like to see more. It's fun :)

PS if I'm lucky enough to get it published I promise not to force you to play it. :)
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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby thenobodies80 on Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:48 pm

Don't worry it's not maps get done only if thenobodies80 wants them.
If people want it, people will have it. This is how it works. ;)
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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby cairnswk on Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:29 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:MOD EDIT: OTHER UNFRIENDLY TEXT REMOVED


Yes I read what you wrote...and i am not saying it is not allowed for you to express your opinion about the map being a bad idea...i was simply giving a counter opinion that is neither in favour or not in favour of the map, but says that if there is support then let it continue, afterall it may just be another "fad" that goes through this place evry now and then.

I certainly wouldn't be telling the mapmaker not to waste their time on the premise of other attempts (as this attempt may prove successful) or whether you though it was a bad idea or not. :idea:
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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby The Bison King on Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:37 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:MOD EDIT: REMOVED UNFRIENDLY TEXT

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Imo you really shouldn't need a supersize for this one.
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Re: How about a COW map?

Postby danfrank on Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:11 pm

denthefrog wrote:
tokle wrote:It should be "sirloin" not "serloin". Right?[/quote
in UK too
also tenderloin is use for pork cut mainly too
in beef its called Fillet
map looks good, i agree with neutral



it depends on where you eat or purchase your meat , tenderloin and filet are interchangeable when it comes to cow :roll:

and as for you dana :lol: i love the map and agree with RJ this should move through rather quickly stay persistent :P
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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby natty dread on Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:42 pm

THIS MAP IS OFFENSIVE TO VEGANS!
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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby The Bison King on Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:04 pm

The way that short ribs border connects to the territories above it is a problem. There's a 4 corners connection between it and the surrounding territories. One of those territories border needs to be staggered so that it is clear where all the connections are.
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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:15 am

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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby dana1971 on Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:34 am

ManBungalow wrote: I would like to propose Doodle Cow.


I like this suggestion, but perhaps the map isn't doodley enough?

I'll have to look at Doodle earth for reference.

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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:58 am

I think there is more than enough room for a map like this on CC.

Doodle Earth faced an immense up-hill battle (and I contributed to that up-hill battle at the time), but I'm glad the C.A.s and I didn't try to stop the development of it!


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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby gimil on Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:18 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:I think there is more than enough room for a map like this on CC.

Doodle Earth faced an immense up-hill battle (and I contributed to that up-hill battle at the time), but I'm glad the C.A.s and I didn't try to stop the development of it!


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Doodle earth is different, it took the classic concept an downsized it. That is the twist that made that map successful.

Let me take my mod shoes off before continuing. I want to make it clear that what I am about to say is based off 7 maps and years of experience in the foundry as a member of this foundry community.

Sorry dana1971, to me this idea sucks. I have seem hundreds of maps of what I can only describe as arbitrary subjects that people try to make a map out of. I have seen attempts at making guitars, pencils and vomit (to name just a few) into maps. Cow is just another in a long line of arbitrary ideas that on't really fit what (I feel) a CC map should be.

I have no will to offend you dana1971 but to me the reality is that this map idea has n potential. But that is not just my opinion, that is my opinion with the experience to back it.

Mod shoes back on. That does not mean that I will stop your map from being developed. If your map continues to develop and has support there is nothing stopping it go all the way. What I am saying is I do not like the idea and will not be supporting it because I don't think it works or will be successful. I hope I haven't sounded to much like an ass. I am just trying to be honest with you.


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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby dana1971 on Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:41 pm

So it seems i've created a controversial map. Cool.
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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby gimil on Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:43 pm

dana1971 wrote:So it seems i've created a controversial map. Cool.


Its not so much the map that is controversial, we have seen many like it. Its just that it has managed to get to this point that i controversial ;)
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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby dana1971 on Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:46 pm

Still good in my books:)
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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby gimil on Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:51 pm

dana1971 wrote:Still good in my books:)


Fair enough, all I can do at this point is wish you luck.
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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:31 pm

dana1971 wrote:So it seems i've created a controversial map. Cool.

gimil wrote:Its not so much the map that is controversial, we have seen many like it. Its just that it has managed to get to this point that is controversial ;)

dana1971 wrote:Still good in my books:)


It is posts like this that I find amusing. :roll:

I understand that you think the map is good enough to go forward and you are looking for feedback to try and give you a better map, but trying to make a controversial map, this is not really the way to go about it. No map like this has ever gotton through the foundry and that alone must tell you something. Good or bad, you have a talent that could make lots of great maps for the site, why start with something like this? Ask yourself, what is it about a cow that lends itself to a war game? Instead of a cow map, why not a whole farm and base it on the Animal Farm book? That alone would give you far more scope to work with and make for a more interesting game to play.
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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby rmt333 on Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:20 am

just to play devils advocate to the above opposing view points a cow very much becomes sectioned to the butcher. Different sections are worth different values to a butcher and how he sections can be both individualistic or conform with a school of training....just saying ;)

i still hope to play this map in some format...how it plays will ultimately be the most important aspect.
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Re: Prime Beef: [Oct 29] V03-Page 4- Map Name

Postby dana1971 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:47 pm

Hi all,

Thanks for the feedback so far.

Here is a new version of the map with fat barriers. I feel I could improve the look of the map but right now I want to focus on getting the game play right.

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Love to hear what you all think.

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Re: Prime Beef: [Nov 13 V06-Page 8- game play

Postby oaktown on Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:40 am

It's rare that I venture into a Conk map thread these days, and when I do so it's usually to witness a train wreck. I came into this thread fully expecting to find a steaming pile, and I don't mean the one in the bottom left corner.

Instead... I kinda dig it.

There's some fun stuff going on here. The cow pat and grass attacking the hooves are brilliant, though I'm not clear as to why the pat comes from the tail and not the rump or bottom round. And there may as well be an e-coli reference. If you're going to go there, you may as well go all the way.

Lord of the Flies is weak - the region adds nothing to the gameplay and the title isn't all that clever.

As for gameplay, the middle of the map is a wasteland. Anybody who starts there is going to get hammered from both sides and lose. Something needs to be done to protect some of the middle territories.

But my biggest beef (see what I did there?) with the map is that it the fun theme isn't reflected in the graphics. This could be hilarious, but instead it's another drab map on parchment (for which I'm often guilty). Don't get me wrong, I'm ever so pleased that the typical Conquer Club pastel ice-pick-to-the-eyes palette isn't being used here, but the look of the map utterly (uh huh) lacks whimsey.

If you really want to push this project to the next level, have some fun with it. Find a theme and really milk it (yes I did). One direction to go would be to make this look like some cheesy (yup) beef industry educational campaign poster - like you're trying to take something pretty disgusting and make it attractive to a six year old.
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Re: Prime Beef: [Nov 13 V06-Page 8- game play

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:05 am

You still need to even out your lines between the territories.
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Re: Prime Beef: [Nov 13 V06-Page 8- game play

Postby Butters1919 on Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:44 am

oaktown wrote: Lord of the Flies is weak - the region adds nothing to the gameplay and the title isn't all that clever.

But my biggest beef (see what I did there?) with the map is that it the fun theme isn't reflected in the graphics. This could be hilarious, but instead it's another drab map on parchment (for which I'm often guilty). Don't get me wrong, I'm ever so pleased that the typical Conquer Club pastel ice-pick-to-the-eyes palette isn't being used here, but the look of the map utterly (uh huh) lacks whimsey.

If you really want to push this project to the next level, have some fun with it. Find a theme and really milk it (yes I did). One direction to go would be to make this look like some cheesy (yup) beef industry educational campaign poster - like you're trying to take something pretty disgusting and make it attractive to a six year old.


I disagree (that coming from someone with NO experience in map making - but lot's with map playing). I think the flies add to the theme and gameplay (perhaps the tail should one way assault the flies to represent the usual action of a cow swinging it's tail to clear a haze of flies). I do agree that the naming of said flies could be better, but that is minor.

More to the point, I think the graphics are great! I'm no graphical wizard. All I can do is look at it and make a gut judgement. Having played most, if not all, of the maps on this site, this one, as it stands right now, is clearly in the top 20%. Graphically, it's better than some of the maps currently coming out of the foundry. I see no need to add any additional material (such as turning it into an educational poster).

But, that's just one person's humble opinion!
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Re: Prime Beef: [Nov 13 V06-Page 8- game play

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:48 am

I think Oaktown makes some valid points. In general, it is best to be open to discussion about how improvements could work, than to say that the map looks great as it this. More users will want to give feedback on a map if they feel like they are being listened to actively.

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Re: Prime Beef: [Nov 13 V06-Page 8- game play

Postby Flapcake on Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:26 am

To cut to the bone (I can also) then your "Teme" is a combined mixture of a live cow that graze and shit and flies swarm around it, and then a butcher's map of where the steaks are placed so they can be cut out.
I also thought that you should make a more solid composition of the theme no matter what your intentions was around your map.
Making it a map of steaks location you should find a more slaughterhouse theme (which I think will be the easiest and best solution) is it a cow that goes on the field and graze and shit, you should find a more farmhouse theme, but if you insists in a combination of both, I think that the task is reasonably difficult for you, I do even belive that your map has potential.

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Re: Prime Beef: [Nov 13 V06-Page 8- game play

Postby Butters1919 on Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:27 am

AndyDufresne wrote:I think Oaktown makes some valid points. In general, it is best to be open to discussion about how improvements could work, than to say that the map looks great as it this. More users will want to give feedback on a map if they feel like they are being listened to actively.

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My apologies if my comments were taken as such. I though I was engaging in a discussion. I can't disagree that improvements can be made, I was just disagreeing with the improvements suggested.
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Postby The Bison King on Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:26 am

I like the slaughter house theme!!!! I want to see some blood on the page!
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Hi, my name is the Bison King, and I am COMPLETELY aware of DaFont!
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