Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 1

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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9 [8 October 2012] pg 12/12

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:59 pm

And if I put this link from Bouche du Rhone, you do not like it?

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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9 [8 October 2012] pg 12/12

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:23 pm

There is a lot going on in PACA, but if it's fine with you, it works for me. I will leave it stickied for a few more days to see if we can get some more GP feedback, but in the meantime, it looks good. Nice work.
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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9 [8 October 2012] pg 12/12

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:03 pm

ok thanks for you help !
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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9 [8 October 2012] pg 12/12

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:28 am

iancanton, the real gameplay guru, has brought up some good points that need to be addressed before we can stamp the map.

First, we can run with Paris being 10 neutral as is, but during the Beta phase, if it appears it's being ignored because it's too many neutrals to conquer, we will have to lower the amount of neutrals. It wouldn't be right if Paris, one of the most important cities in the world, is ignored in over half the games.

Second, the 3-region bonus zones (Pic, Limousine) should be reduced to a +2 total instead of +3. Also, you can increase PACA to a +5.

Finally, a couple suggestions on the legend
  • In the "Regional Claim" box, change the wording to, "Holding all of same flag = +1"
  • In the Victory Condition area, change it to, "...one Regional Claim + one Foreign Claim". You might also think about adding another dashed line (-----------------) between the Suburb information and the WC information.
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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9 [8 October 2012] pg 12/12

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:34 am

nolefan5311 wrote:Second, the 3-region bonus zones (Pic, Limousine) should be reduced to a +2 total instead of +3. Also, you can increase PACA to a +5.


Even if I start with one territory neutral (n2), must I reduce the bonus to +2 ?

nolefan5311 wrote:Finally, a couple suggestions on the legend

In the "Regional Claim" box, change the wording to, "Holding all of same flag = +1"
In the Victory Condition area, change it to, "...one Regional Claim + one Foreign Claim". You might also think about adding another dashed line (-----------------) between the Suburb information and the WC information.


Is it ok ?

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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9 [8 October 2012] pg 12/12

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:54 am

Lancelot du Lac wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:Second, the 3-region bonus zones (Pic, Limousine) should be reduced to a +2 total instead of +3. Also, you can increase PACA to a +5.


Even if I start with one territory neutral (n2), must I reduce the bonus to +2 ?

nolefan5311 wrote:Finally, a couple suggestions on the legend

In the "Regional Claim" box, change the wording to, "Holding all of same flag = +1"
In the Victory Condition area, change it to, "...one Regional Claim + one Foreign Claim". You might also think about adding another dashed line (-----------------) between the Suburb information and the WC information.


Is it ok ?

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The n2 only prevents bonuses from being dropped at the beginning of the game. ian suggested the bonuses be reduced because a 3 region +3 bonus is too easy to grab, and is too high a reward, in 1v1 games (1v1 games are played more often than any game type, so it has to be fair for this game type).
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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9 [8 October 2012] pg 12/12

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:56 am

And the legend looks really good.

Once you post the updated image, I believe we can go ahead and stamp this.
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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9.1 [11 October 2012] pg 13/13

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:06 pm

UPDATE done here and first topic. Thanks nolefan for your advices.

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VERSION 9.1
1. Map Name France 2.0
2. Version 9.1 [11 October 2012]
3. Dimension : 915 * 927
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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9.1 [11 October 2012] pg 13/13

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:08 pm

Awesome. I'm very excited to see this map come to fruition. Just remember that if you wanted to increase PACA to a +5, go ahead.

Otherwise, this is LAST CALL for gameplay comments. If anyone has concerns now is the time to mention them. Otherwise, this map will be given the gameplay stamp in 48 hours.
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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9.1 [11 October 2012] pg 13/13

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:13 pm

Now it's ok for PACA, there is a +5 bonus ;)
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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9.1 [11 October 2012] pg 13/13

Postby iancanton on Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:36 am

nice to see this project advancing!

after including the extra neutrals, the probability in 1v1 of the first player receiving a starting bonus is down from a very high 15% to about 6%. can u edit the list of neutrals in the first post, please, to include the extra three neutral départements? there are 95 regions and 16 starting neutrals, which means that we have 79 starting regions, a good number for games of 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 8 players (5-player and 7-player games are rarely played and are therefore not as important as the others).

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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9.1 [11 October 2012] pg 13/13

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:27 am

The update is successfully done.

On the other hand, I count 19 territories who start neutral. See the updates first topic.
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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9.1 [11 October 2012] pg 13/13

Postby ManBungalow on Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:13 am

The only two problems I can see at the moment:

*the nord/somme border is quite short (it probably wouldn't show up at all in the small map image)
*some borders look un-natural (eg the coast of pas de calais)

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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9.1 [11 October 2012] pg 13/13

Postby nolefan5311 on Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:23 pm

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Onward and upward guys. Congrats!
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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9.1 [11 October 2012] pg 13/13

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:26 pm

thanks you very much. What is the next step ?
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