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Field of Gettysburg v02p3sep17

Postby pamoa on Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:53 am

v02 small new features : wording, title, attack routes (Long Lane, Wheatfield), oval shaping (tribute to original map)
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Re: Field of Gettysburg v02p3sep17

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:40 am

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Good luck pamoa and have fun.

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Re: Field of Gettysburg [D] v02p3sep17

Postby pamoa on Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:28 am

oh thanks
I didn't saw you edited your post
and now some gameplay comment?

question
should I put a "East Cemetery Hill" battlefield between "Rodes/Early at Gettysburg" and "Howard at Cemetery Hill"
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Re: Field of Gettysburg [D] v02p3sep17

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:46 am

pamoa wrote:oh thanks
I didn't you edited your post
and now some gameplay comment?

question
should I put a "East Cemetery Hill" battlefield between "Rodes/Early at Gettysburg" and "Howard at Cemetery Hill"

Hate double posts. As for the second question, what would it do to the map in your opinion?
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Re: Field of Gettysburg [D] v02p3sep17

Postby pamoa on Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:01 am

pamoa wrote:should I put a "East Cemetery Hill" battlefield between "Rodes/Early at Gettysburg" and "Howard at Cemetery Hill"
koontz1973 wrote:...what would it do to the map in your opinion?
it is about the link between the two enemy sides

now you have three "direct" attack route (Hood, East cavalry and Howard at Cemetery Hill)
and four Battlefield which require to hold a Commander to go through
even if a player can conquer/open it during his round and no opponent can prevent him doing it
it is an expensive attack
so the three direct route gives a more open map

but on the other hand historically there was also a big fight East of Cemetery Hill
which I would like to put on the map

I'm afraid of locking the gameplay too much
I'm always keen to be more accurate historically
but as I'm writing this explanation I feel more confident to do so
I'll do it
well thanks for asking :lol:
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Re: Field of Gettysburg [D] v02p3sep17

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:35 am

Accuracy to history is never going to win over game play. And who is to say what went on that day? Just because a book or wiki says something, only the ones there can truly say. I like the idea of opening it up more so as you say, it does not stifle GP.

Another thing to consider is to put more attack routes on. Try this for an idea.
Have two types of attack lines with a brief explanation, you seem to have room. A solid line for what went on that day for historical accuracy. A dotted line for the ones can could of happened but didn't. Sort of like, can the side that lost win if only they had attacked in this fashion or can the side that won, win faster if only they had.... This will allow you to have some things on that are not accurate to the battle.
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Re: Field of Gettysburg [D] v02p3sep17

Postby pamoa on Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:16 am

koontz1973 wrote:Accuracy to history is never going to win over game play. And who is to say what went on that day? Just because a book or wiki says something, only the ones there can truly say. I like the idea of opening it up more so as you say, it does not stifle GP.
Another thing to consider is to put more attack routes on. Try this for an idea.
Have two types of attack lines with a brief explanation, you seem to have room. A solid line for what went on that day for historical accuracy. A dotted line for the ones can could of happened but didn't. Sort of like, can the side that lost win if only they had attacked in this fashion or can the side that won, win faster if only they had.... This will allow you to have some things on that are not accurate to the battle.
good idea
in fact I made an accuracy error :oops:
as there really was a fight East of Cemetery Hill which I'll put on the map
but it never happen at Long Lane where troops draw back and fail to support the East Cemetery Hill attack
this one will be put as an "what if" direct route
so I keep the map more open

It would be nice to have more than one commentator to help me to develop this map
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Re: Field of Gettysburg [D] v02p3sep17

Postby Oneyed on Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:52 pm

the generals would be sorted anyway, I think. in Confederate army the Corps Commanders were Lieutenant Generals - generals of all corps. then where Major Generals - generals for divisions.
in Union both (commanders of corps, commanders of divisions) had the same rank Major General, but there were still difference between corps commanders and division commanders.

do you think about cavalry? add them any importance maybe?
there were also more Union units/soldiers in battle but you have more confederate units...

will look at the map more later.

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Field of Gettysburg [D] v03p3sep29

Postby pamoa on Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:37 am

v03 small new features : - gameplay - cavalry bonus, East Cemetery Hill Battlefield (replacing Long Lane) - graphics - attack route, legend, decor
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Oneyed wrote:the generals would be sorted anyway, I think. in Confederate army the Corps Commanders were Lieutenant Generals - generals of all corps. then where Major Generals - generals for divisions.
in Union both (commanders of corps, commanders of divisions) had the same rank Major General, but there were still difference between corps commanders and division commanders.
your right for the ranking
but I had to simplify for gameplay purpose
I used stars to differentiate their level of command
althought some are over/underrated
Oneyed wrote:do you think about cavalry? add them any importance maybe?
made them a +1 bonus if both hold
Oneyed wrote:there were also more Union units/soldiers in battle but you have more confederate units...
I know but I choose to made the gameplay even
as it ended in a relative draw around 23,000 casualties on each side
I could have fusion McLaw/Hood divisions
but the fight around Peach Orchard would have been to simplified
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Re: Field of Gettysburg [D] v03p3sep29

Postby Oneyed on Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:39 am

pamoa wrote:your right for the ranking
but I had to simplify for gameplay purpose
I used stars to differentiate their level of command


I did not mean to differentiate them only. but add them another role, maybe for Corps commanders add another bonus.
pamoa wrote:made them a +1 bonus if both hold


try to think about any strategic role for them more as just simple bonus. it was common that who won cavalry battle he used cavalry for any attack from behind or so... lets think about this map more as strategis as bonuses, I think.
pamoa wrote:I know but I choose to made the gameplay even
as it ended in a relative draw around 23,000 casualties on each side


this was just end of battle. but your map shows 3 days of battle.
pamoa wrote:I could have fusion McLaw/Hood divisions
but the fight around Peach Orchard would have been to simplified


... and you made it right when you did not unite them :)

I am off now fro longer time, when I will come home I will post any draw.

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Re: Field of Gettysburg [D] v03p3sep29

Postby pamoa on Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:11 am

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pamoa wrote:your right for the ranking
but I had to simplify for gameplay purpose
I used stars to differentiate their level of command
Oneyed wrote:I did not mean to differentiate them only
but add them another role
maybe for Corps commanders add another bonus
as I didn't used that level of command for the Union it would unbalance the gameplay

pamoa wrote:made them a +1 bonus if both hold
Oneyed wrote:try to think about any strategic role for them more as just simple bonus
it was common that who won cavalry battle he used cavalry for any attack from behind or so...
lets think about this map more as strategis as bonuses, I think
they already are positioned as historically it was as a bypass
but it can be empowered by giving an attack range of 2 or even 3


Oneyed wrote:there were also more Union units/soldiers in battle but you have more confederate units...
pamoa wrote:I know but I choose to made the gameplay even
as it ended in a relative draw around 23,000 casualties on each side
I could have fusion McLaw/Hood divisions
but the fight around Peach Orchard would have been to simplified
Oneyed wrote:this was just end of battle. but your map shows 3 days of battle.
... and you made it right when you did not unite them
oh btw
I don't have more confederate units but more officers
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Re: Field of Gettysburg [D] v03p3sep17

Postby ManBungalow on Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:38 pm

Did all the leaders of the American Civil War have such awesome beards?
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Re: Field of Gettysburg [D] v03p3sep17

Postby nolefan5311 on Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:48 pm

ManBungalow wrote:Did all the leaders of the American Civil War have such awesome beards?


Not just beards...

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Re: Field of Gettysburg [D] v03p3sep17

Postby pamoa on Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:42 pm

not much of an enthusiasm I'm getting here
or development input
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Re: Field of Gettysburg [D] v03p3sep17

Postby nolefan5311 on Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:45 pm

I've been busy with a couple other things Pamoa. I promise to look at this one in the next few days and provide some gameplay feedback.
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