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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby natty dread on Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:56 pm

Russia as one territory makes no sense either strategically, in terms of its real weight in Asia, nor in terms of gameplay. As it is, Russia represents 40 per cent of the map. To have that as one territory really doesnt work... I'n not saying it's not possible, but it doesn't make sense.


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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby MrBenn on Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:58 pm

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I've had this update for some time, although it definitely needs a lot more work yet!

I'm not convinced about breaking Russia up - I quite like it as one big territory (but that's just me, I guess).

I've added territory names, and started playing around with getting them to fit... it's definitely going to be a squeeze in some areas, but I'll work on that in due course.

The region groupings are still tentative, although for the most part I think they make sense how they are. Pakistan could easily be shifted into the Indian Subcontinent, and would probably make that a better bonus, although it would make the "Stans" a lot harder to hold.

Further thoughts?
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby The Bison King on Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:05 pm

'm not convinced about breaking Russia up - I quite like it as one big territory (but that's just me, I guess).


I think that's crazy, no offense

The region groupings are still tentative, although for the most part I think they make sense how they are. Pakistan could easily be shifted into the Indian Subcontinent, and would probably make that a better bonus, although it would make the "Stans" a lot harder to hold.


I think having Pakistan as a part f the India bonus makes a lot of sense. Granted that would make the Stan's pretty hard to hold (unless you made Western China a territory *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*)

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Yeah, this should be in gameplay.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby The Bison King on Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:16 pm

The region groupings are still tentative, although for the most part I think they make sense how they are. Pakistan could easily be shifted into the Indian Subcontinent, and would probably make that a better bonus, although it would make the "Stans" a lot harder to hold.


Maybe some impassables along the borders could help, the Taklamakan comes to mind.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby Evil DIMwit on Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:32 pm

MrBenn wrote:I'm not convinced about breaking Russia up - I quite like it as one big territory (but that's just me, I guess).

It certainly isn't just you.

Moving Pakistan to the subcontinent won't make the Stans that much harder to hold -- you technically don't lose any border territories for the continent.

Maybe, since you've got a bunch of minor island chains, add the Ryukyu islands (or even just a connection) between Japan and Taiwan.


And perhaps you want to have a Caucasus insert over Europe rather than three lines like that.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby Industrial Helix on Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:38 am

How exactly do you plan to fit numbers on that tiny inset?

And I think if you expanded the inset to includes the Caucasus countries, things might work out better.

And Indonesia on the map should be labeled Celebes.

I think this map is going to be a lot tougher than Europa, but if anyone can do it its you.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby Evil DIMwit on Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:23 am

Industrial Helix wrote:And Indonesia on the map should be labeled Celebes.


It's Sulawesi now. And Burma is Myanmar.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby MrBenn on Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:06 am

Industrial Helix: How exactly do you plan to fit numbers on that tiny inset?
MrBenn: Well, I can start off by making that inset a bit bigger.. It's just there as a concept at the moment, but there's plenty of space to enlarge it.

Industrial Helix: I think if you expanded the inset to includes the Caucasus countries, things might work out better.
Evil DIMwit: perhaps you want to have a Caucasus insert over Europe rather than three lines like that.
MrBenn: I've a feeling there's going to be a number of insets on this map. I'd rather put Caucasus over Europe, as there's not quite enough space to add it to the exisiting inset.

Evil DIMwit: Maybe, since you've got a bunch of minor island chains, add the Ryukyu islands (or even just a connection) between Japan and Taiwan.
MrBenn: They were on the map at one point (I think?)

Industrial Helix: I think this map is going to be a lot tougher than Europa, but if anyone can do it its you.
MrBenn: Thanks for the vote of confidence. The trickiest thing is going to be to make things fit while keeping the shape recognisable Asia!
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby The Bison King on Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:12 am

There's room to fit the words Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan in Western China.

also I like the font you're using, what is it?
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby MrBenn on Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:43 pm

The Bison King wrote:There's room to fit the words Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan in Western China.

also I like the font you're using, what is it?

I've a feeling it's a bog standard Times New Roman.

Edit: I stand corrected, it's a typeface called 'Hoefler Text'
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby MrBenn on Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:44 pm

Having had a better look at placement of insets etc, it looks like I probably could squeeze in the Holy Land and Caucasus on top of the unplayable bit of Europe. This would then leave the bottom corner free for an inset of Bahrain, Qatar etc; it's going to be a real tight fit there!

I think I'll be able to get most of Indochina to fit, although may need to use a couple of abbreviations there, and I also expect I'll have to use abbreviations for Middle Asia (the Stans) too.

As for Russia and China, I'd much rather keep these as individual territories for each country - I only intend to add in extra territories for islands (as happened in Europa).

Does anybody have any good names for the map ('Asia' is already taken)??
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby Raskholnikov on Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:07 pm

Well, as others have said, i don't see how the gameplay will work with China and especially Russia as one territory each. Then again, you run this place so no need to listen even to your colleagues. Have fun with your project.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby Evil DIMwit on Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:15 pm

Raskholnikov wrote:Well, as others have said, i don't see how the gameplay will work with China and especially Russia as one territory each. Then again, you run this place so no need to listen even to your colleagues. Have fun with your project.


I think it might be pretty darned interesting to have these two highly connected, highly strategic territories. For example, China is part of the eastern group but it's very useful for holding the central or southeastern group. It's a unique strategic situation.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby ender516 on Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:29 pm

Names for the map:
  • Countries of Asia
  • Asian Countries
  • Asia Complete
  • Asian Politics
  • Politics of Asia
  • Asian Polities
  • Polities of Asia
I know these are not dazzling, but they are fairly accurate, and might spark some better ideas.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby The Bison King on Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:08 am

Does anybody have any good names for the map ('Asia' is already taken)??


Is it possible to change the existing Asia maps name to "far east"? Failing that I suggest "Asis" or "Siana" Both ancient names for Asia.
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