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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby MarshalNey on Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:27 am

Raskholnikov wrote:Is Supersize implemented? If so, what are the new rules?


Why yes they are, and in fact there is a super-sized map already in this forum!

The new super-size limits are posted in the Foundry Discussions forum, under the New-ish Year, New-ish Foundy topic.

MrBenn wrote:Maps of SuperSize must be worthy of needing the additional space (ie they shouldn't be unnecessarily big); mapmakers will be required to suggest their intended image sizes during the design brief stage, with permission to exceed the standard guidelines in exceptional cases to be granted by the Foundry Foreman. (In exceptionally-exceptional circumstances, there is the further potential for flexibility)


Standard maximum sizes: 630x600 pixels for a small map and 840x800 pixels for a large map.
SuperSize limits: 1000x800 pixels for a small map, and 1400x1200 pixels for a large map



Raskholnikov wrote:Finally, I note all comments are graphics-related. If so, and no game-play issues remain, can we move on to the graphics section and properly deal with these issues there?


I realize your eagerness to move this map along, especially as it is so timely with regards to recent events, and hopefully we can keep things progressing at a brisk pace.

While a few of Tack's comments are graphics-related however, many of them deal with legend (gameplay) clarity, and that is something that we CA's always try to make sure is solid before passing the map on to the Graphics Forum.

As for my own comments, I think the map gameplay outlined will work fine (at least upon a first look- I'll give it a harder look tomorrow). The legend will need some tweaking however, in particular I agree with Tack about the part in the legend about the Bombardment Range and the mention of the Oceans... I was confused by that when I saw it at first as well. The trouble is that you mention the Oceans with the Fleet bombardment, and I'm not sure that it's necessary... but it certainly confuses.

I also think that this map could use a few extra pixels to cut down on the cramped look, and that would make it easier for players to digest. The decision is yours of course (and the Foundry's), and I know that some mapmakers are reluctant to apply for supersize status because they think that players won't want to use the map due to scrolling. Personally I think supersize maps will be popular, especially considering the long-standing clamor for them.

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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby Raskholnikov on Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:15 am

I realize your eagerness to move this map along, especially as it is so timely with regards to recent events, and hopefully we can keep things progressing at a brisk pace.

Yey! Thanks!

While a few of Tack's comments are graphics-related however, many of them deal with legend (gameplay) clarity, and that is something that we CA's always try to make sure is solid before passing the map on to the Graphics Forum.

Ok, point taken.

As for my own comments, I think the map gameplay outlined will work fine (at least upon a first look- I'll give it a harder look tomorrow). The legend will need some tweaking however, in particular I agree with Tack about the part in the legend about the Bombardment Range and the mention of the Oceans... I was confused by that when I saw it at first as well. The trouble is that you mention the Oceans with the Fleet bombardment, and I'm not sure that it's necessary... but it certainly confuses.

Will deal with all his comments and post a new wording of sections involved for your approval before posting a new version.

I also think that this map could use a few extra pixels to cut down on the cramped look, and that would make it easier for players to digest. The decision is yours of course (and the Foundry's), and I know that some mapmakers are reluctant to apply for supersize status because they think that players won't want to use the map due to scrolling. Personally I think supersize maps will be popular, especially considering the long-standing clamor for them.

I'm enthusiastically and all for the new size! I think the recommended larger size would work fine for us. So we hereby apply for it ;)
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby Raskholnikov on Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:41 pm

TaCktiX, Marshall Ney, Industrial Helix,

Can we please have your formal approval to use the Supersize dimensions below in order to address your suggestions?

1000x800 pixels for the small map, and 1400x1200 pixels for the large map

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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby MarshalNey on Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:28 pm

OK, Rask, pamoa, you've been approved for the map to exceed standard size; however, in the interests of keeping the map from becoming unnecessarily large (and scroll-happy), we've decided to keep the size limits for The Struggle For Oil below the maximum.

So, 800x700 px for the small map, and 1000x 933 px for the large map are the new size limits for this map. Sound good?

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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby Raskholnikov on Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:48 pm

Perfect. Thanks!
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby ender516 on Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:15 am

Glad to hear about the expanded size. Of course, it does give me another reason to procrastinate on the XML.
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby Raskholnikov on Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:11 am

lol!
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby tonbomorphew on Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:08 pm

Um, you know how the new Transasian railroad is being built built to carry oil from the oil-fields in Kazakhstan to the bustle of China, India, Europe and Japan.
I was thinking you might want to include that in your map.
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby Raskholnikov on Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:12 pm

I know, but the gameplay is already complex so I don't see how to integrate this. The original idea included pipelines (similar to railroads) and I had to take them out. Thanks foro your interest.
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby TaCktiX on Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:51 pm

What's the status on this map? It's been quite a while since there were any updates.
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby Raskholnikov on Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:03 pm

Pamoa is working on a large-map picture. Shockingly, he has both a job and a toddler born not too long ago, so he can't give this project his undivided attention. I am sure the update will look amazing - we just have to be patient ;)
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby theBastard on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:35 am

looking forward for new, larger version. and more space in legend ;)
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby MarshalNey on Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:54 am

It's been a month (gadzooks) so I thought I'd inquire into the status of this map. It's really close to a bump in my opinion with the proposed revisions, and the new size should help the clarity quite a bit. However I understand that a re-sizing is a nasty amount of work, and so it may take awhile. Is there a tenative date in the forseeable future? I can put this on vacation temporarily if needed.

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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby pamoa on Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:02 am

I just finished the map resize and I'm waiting for legend update from Raskholnikov so you can see the new version
meanwhile ender also started xml coding
a lot of bckoffice work
but we are still alive
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby MarshalNey on Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:53 am

Excellent, glad to see this one still cooking.
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby TaCktiX on Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:41 pm

I second that motion.
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby pamoa on Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:36 am

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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby ManBungalow on Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:21 am

Looks fantastic!
Though I'm not quite sure what the legend regarding the bombard ranges is supposed to tell us.
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby pamoa on Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:50 am

each fleet can only bombard in his range
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby ManBungalow on Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:44 pm

5th Flt Indian Ocean & Cashmir
6th Flt Caspian & Black seas

I understand the bombard ranges (a nice gameplay idea in its own right) but I'm not sure what that's trying to describe^

And just to be really picky, the Beirut/Amman border area looks vague.

Oh, and does this map have a small/large image option? If we're looking at the large version now, it might be insightful to see how it appears within the guidelines of a small image. Forgive me if I'm missing something obvious here.

It sounds like I'm picking flaws in this map wherever I can, but it's constructive criticism because I really want to see this go live.
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby pamoa on Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:03 pm

you are currently looking at the small image
but as it was said before
we got authorization to go larger
so small map will be 800x800
so a bit of patience

pamoa wrote:I just finished the map resize and I'm waiting for legend update from Raskholnikov so you can see the new version
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby ender516 on Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:33 pm

I think the texts regarding the bombard ranges are intended to be a shorthand way of remembering which tankers (and terrorists) can be bombarded by which fleet, without looking at the blue circles.
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:11 pm

After a fortnightly review, I noticed there hasn't been an update for sometime. So, come the next fortnightly review, if there isn't an update made, we will have to move into the Recycling Bin until the mapmaker makes an update. :cry:
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Re: Central Asia: -Struggle for Oil - REVISED 1 Feb 11 !

Postby pamoa on Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:32 am

I'm still waiting for Raskholnikov legend update the new graphics are ready
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