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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:31 am

Current Version

v7.1
-made the borders clearer
-got rid of 3 pixel column to make the left and right symmetrical
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i didnt so much in this update, just made the lines clearer really. let me know if theres anything major i need to change
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:49 pm

any other gameplay suggestions? do people agree with the killer neutral and auto-decay placements and values for example?
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby 00iCon on Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:02 am

this map has changed positively since i last saw it!

ack! i remember there was a thread with instructions on how to soften borders, but it's not in my bookmarks!
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:52 pm

i will be overhauling this thing, i will make a new image with suggestions from natty's tutorial. there havent been too many comments since i redid the borders so my new image will largely be set out the same, while that may seem like a waste of time, i will be making the layers more organised and colours and stuff not so messed up and borders better and adding gradients and textures and stuff. it will make future changes much easier to make for me, eg. currently i have impassables merged with background and in fact i took ages to redo the borders as you may know
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby whitestazn88 on Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:35 pm

the colors could be a bit more differentiated in my opinion. as for gameplay, i think it's all good, although it's not something i really looked at closely.
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby Riskismy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:32 pm

kengyin wrote:that would be overpowered, because you only need to hold 5 territories only 3 and 4 are needed to defend northwest and south central coast respectively, while northeast has 7 territories and 4 are needed to defend and central highlands has 6 territories and 5 needed to defend, both of which have bonus of 5, so northeast and south central coast should be lower i think.


hm. Perhaps a case study is in place here. Let's take Northeast and Northwest.

Northwest / Northeast
Territories: 5 / 7
Attacked by territories: 6 / 6
Defend territories to hold bonus: 3 / 4
Bonus for holding: 1 / 5

Does this really seem fair to you?
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:32 pm

Riskismy wrote:
kengyin wrote:that would be overpowered, because you only need to hold 5 territories only 3 and 4 are needed to defend northwest and south central coast respectively, while northeast has 7 territories and 4 are needed to defend and central highlands has 6 territories and 5 needed to defend, both of which have bonus of 5, so northeast and south central coast should be lower i think.


hm. Perhaps a case study is in place here. Let's take Northeast and Northwest.

Northwest / Northeast
Territories: 5 / 7
Attacked by territories: 6 / 6
Defend territories to hold bonus: 3 / 4
Bonus for holding: 4 / 5

Does this really seem fair to you?

corrected your typo for you ;) yes that does seem fair to me
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby natty dread on Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:18 am

They seem fair to me too...

The biggest problem I see is there are no small bonuses, something that would be easy to grab in the beginning...
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:26 am

well if you get 4 of the ho chi minh trail territories say 1-4 then thats almost the same as holding south america for 2 troops
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:42 am

heres just a sample of the new graphics, i havent put on the text yet.
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so basically i improved the territory background, not so noticeable is that they are all on different layers. some time i will try and make better mountains and eventually make the legends more realistic
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:59 am

some random factoids

-i drew the landing crafts by hand, its not copy and pasted
-the ho chi minh trail is direct copy and paste but i scaled and rotated and shifted until it went to the right territories
-the planes are actually f4 phantoms which arent bombers but they are so recognisable and much more realistic than pixelated bombers
-the territory borders are drawn with 9 pixel fuzzy brush at 0.30 using stroke
-there are the same number of territories in both north and south vietnam
-5+5+4+4+4+5+5+3=35 which is also the number of layers, 3+5=8 which is the number of bonus regions
-i think red river delta is the hardest region to hold
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby natty dread on Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:12 am

Really nice! It's a huge improvement.

At this point, though... it would be better to work on the large image. It will be much easier to create the small image from the large than the other way around.

Fortunately, at this point you can still scale up pretty easily... first scale the image to the large map size, then all you need to do is re-stroke the borders.
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby League on Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:33 am

wow that looks really good! Nice touch with the F4's. Historically correct.
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:01 pm

you know, i dont think it even looks like it needs restroking, the borders are quite smooth. its mainly just the copy and pasted stuff thats blurry, which i can sharpen.
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby murdocho on Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:32 pm

Looks good. Personally I'd write new text for the objective this time
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