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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:57 pm

Riskismy wrote:
kengyin wrote:well they were at war with each other so i dont think they wanted to open up airports to each other...


Yeah, thanks for ignoring my point on some irrelevancy. As far as I know they flew in airborne cavalry in choppers.

In any case, do I understand it right that the only path to Enterprise is from Da Nang?
That seems like a bottleneck to me that doesn't make up for the access that HCMT provides from north to south. How about making the new sea routes go to Enterprise as well/instead?


i could include a helicopter option but im not sure if i have enough room in the territories or in the legend in order to fit it in. if i did i could have a helicopter ship connecting to the enterprise and quang nam with just H symbols in random north vietnam territories. but because this is a major gameplay thing that wasnt in my small version i dont think i could make space for it in the small version.
i could change the sea routes to 3 way attack between enterprise, quang ngai (currently quang nam is attacked by 5 different territories a bit too much) and ninh thuan though, but im not yet sure if that is better or worse for the gameplay.
this is finally a major issue which i neither fully agree nor disagree and would like some more opinions on this matter.

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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:58 pm

oh by the way, if this thing gets quenched then i will by premium as a reward
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby natty dread on Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:26 am

kengyin wrote:oh by the way, if this thing gets quenched then i will by premium as a reward


If this thing gets quenched you won't need to ;)
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:34 am

Current Version

v9.0
-added drop shadow to HCMT
-ditched drop shadow for connecting lines
-added helicopter assault from helipad to helicopter targets, changed legend accordingly
-changed sea connections to uss enterprise-quang ngai-ninh thuan 3 way connection
-added specified territory names for HCMT legend
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so basically the helicopter assault gives south vietnam 2 more ways into the north since before there was only 2 before and they were killer neutrals. its kind of a 3 tier assault pattern, theres the landing craft landing on the coastal territories (the beaches), then the bombers bombing the important cities inland, then the helicopters landing further deep inside enemy lines to infiltrate the enemy.
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby Riskismy on Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:13 pm

I think this open it up a lot. Thanks for considering my suggestion!

Here's another: Maybe there's a point to giving a bonus for holding some combination of enterprise and/or bombers?
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:46 pm

Current Version

v10.0
-changed territory titles to white
-put drop shadows for territory titles
-changed sea connections to dotted lines
-changed mountains to grey and uneven heights
-ditched coloured rims for bombarded zones
-changed bomber titles to regular territory font
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did quite a bit in this update, mostly using natty's 2nd tutorial stuff
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby natty dread on Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:52 am

The territory labels look good. Dotted lines for sea routes work too.

I'd say a draft stamp might be quite close for this one. Although, don't take my word for it, I'm just a regular guy... ;)
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:46 pm

i honestly dont understand though, most maps are into gameplay by 5-6 pages then graphics by about 15 pages, this is at 14 pages and 10 versions with no current suggestions and yet it is still here. is it because this is my first map?
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby grifftron on Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:50 pm

Wow, looking so much more better graphically then it did last time i looked at it... keep it going, obviously your graphic work is improving big time, it can only go up from here, i hope ;) :lol:
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby natty dread on Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:33 am

kengyin wrote:i honestly dont understand though, most maps are into gameplay by 5-6 pages then graphics by about 15 pages, this is at 14 pages and 10 versions with no current suggestions and yet it is still here. is it because this is my first map?


The number of pages has very little to do with it... have some patience, just a while longer ;)
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:14 am

natty_dread wrote:
kengyin wrote:oh by the way, if this thing gets quenched then i will by premium as a reward


If this thing gets quenched you won't need to ;)

wait, where does it say that?
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:16 pm

Current Version

v11.0
-added bevel to all playable areas
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well i had some free time so i decided to add some bevel to the landmass, it was a bit flat before
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby Bruceswar on Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:09 am

This map is looking really good. A few of the borders seem pixelated. Maybe you can correct that?
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:41 am

which ones, the HCMT perhaps?
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby Bruceswar on Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:45 am

yes and some of the south central coast
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby natty dread on Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:35 am

The HCMT has pixelation, but I think the south central coast thing is just the texture interacting with the borders.
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby Riskismy on Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:23 am

Grats kengyin! You're a shining example of the value of perseverance. =D>
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:36 pm

yay!!!!!! :D
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:07 am

anyone have any problems with the gameplay?
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:35 pm

First thing I have a problem with is the mission brief... you talk about the Korean War like it was the day before the Vietnam War. I'd suggest maybe a narrative or something of the situation in Vietnam c. 1972.

Gameplay wise... I rather like it. I think it does some good justice to the situation in Vietnam at the time.

The only concerns I would have though, would be that the regional bonuses might be too high. But that's just a glance. If I were you, I'd try to get Tacktix and IanCanton to take a look. They've got a good eye for making things mesh.
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby kengyin on Mon May 02, 2011 3:59 am

does anyone have any suggestions about revamping the legend? because i think that graphically the current map is quite generic and im not sure what kind of legend would be suitable :?
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby natty dread on Mon May 02, 2011 4:07 am

Top secret folders, official looking papers with "classified" stamps...
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Postby kengyin on Mon May 02, 2011 4:30 am

in terms of theme that is definitely where i want to head, however the images i looked at didn't really fit (hey its google), and i don't know how to make them kind of fit in with the, i don't know how to describe it, the feel of the map maybe, the map just looks you know not top quality if you know what i mean and putting photos on would look too real and really make the amateurishness of the actual map stand out, while if i drew it on then that would look even more amateurish. the only reason i have improved so much from my previous drafts is actually due to your tutorials.

yeah, thats the kind of guy i am, a very systematic mathsy kind of person, i can learn very quickly from others and when it comes to art i can learn quickly when given instructions but not by doing it myself. i'm definitely not giving up thats for sure, just really not sure how execute the legend properly. don't you get that annoying feeling when you know what you need to do and where you are going but you can't actually do it? how long have you been making maps?
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Re: Vietnam: The Struggle for Supremacy - Please comment on

Postby natty dread on Mon May 02, 2011 7:15 am

kengyin wrote:don't you get that annoying feeling when you know what you need to do and where you are going but you can't actually do it?


Situations like those are the ones that really put your resolve as a mapmaker/graphic artist to the test.

It's easy to create graphics when all you have to do is things you already know how to do. The tough part comes when you know what you have to do but don't know how to do it.

The upside however is, that every time you push yourself to do something you have no previous experience with, you learn a ton of new things and develop as an artist.

As general advice I'd say, look into drawing and graphics making for more than just mapmaking. There's lots of good graphics tutorials online if you search for them. Read them, practice creating images that have nothing to do with maps. You'll get experience of things that you can later use in maps. You learn by doing.

As specific advice for this... well, pretty much the same advice. I can't specifically tell you what to do, that's something you have to learn to find out. My tutorials gave you some basic tools and tricks you can use... now you need to find your own tricks.

In way of analogy: you could think of my tutorials like grade school, where the basics are taught to you by the teacher, things are laid in front of you nice and clear... now, it's time to graduate, and enroll into high school/college where you have to do more independet studying, find your own "classes" and learning materials... basically, you have to teach yourself.

Good luck on your journey!
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