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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:35 pm

I have the honor to present you the new map(only big and 888) with all your notices and suggestions.

I hope that it will pass this ordeal.

Lancelot could become Arthur ;)

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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby ManBungalow on Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:49 pm

Looks cool.

My only nitpicks for now:

rigid borders along the coast (mostly in the Pas de Calais area)
similar angular borders in the Paris inset at the top right
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby Mishalex on Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:41 pm

ManBungalow wrote:Looks cool.

My only nitpicks for now:

rigid borders along the coast (mostly in the Pas de Calais area)
similar angular borders in the Paris inset at the top right


Nord Pas de Calais Coast looks that way ;)
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby ManBungalow on Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:51 pm

Mishalex wrote:
ManBungalow wrote:Looks cool.

My only nitpicks for now:

rigid borders along the coast (mostly in the Pas de Calais area)
similar angular borders in the Paris inset at the top right


Nord Pas de Calais Coast looks that way ;)

It's an odd shape, I'll concede, but not quite that angular I feel.
But no big deal, I suppose.

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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:17 pm

The shadows from the mountains are on the side. They need to go on the left side of the mountains. I really like the shadow you have on these:
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A tad darker, and moved to the opposite side and it will be perfect. Do the shadow like these on all the mountains, and then we should be able to get this moved on up, unless of course someone finds something else that needs to be done.
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.2 [18 January 2013] pg 18/18

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:29 am

isaiah40 wrote:The shadows from the mountains are on the side. They need to go on the left side of the mountains.



koontz1973 wrote: The Paris inset has the shadow going down and to the right. The mountains are going to the left while the ones at the bottom seem to be going up. All shadows should by rights go in the same direction! The shadow that really works is next to Savoie, but it is on the wrong side. Make the rest like this but toned down like Alsace and you might have a winner IMO.



That's why now the shadows are on right side. No updates for side's shadows.
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.2 [18 January 2013] pg 18/18

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:53 am

Lancelot du Lac wrote:
isaiah40 wrote:The shadows from the mountains are on the side. They need to go on the left side of the mountains.



koontz1973 wrote: The Paris inset has the shadow going down and to the right. The mountains are going to the left while the ones at the bottom seem to be going up. All shadows should by rights go in the same direction! The shadow that really works is next to Savoie, but it is on the wrong side. Make the rest like this but toned down like Alsace and you might have a winner IMO.



That's why now the shadows are on right side. No updates for side's shadows.

But shadows on the light side of the mountains are wrong. They need to go on the dark side.
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:22 am

Thank you for telling me now :x

So, if I understand, I move all shadows on the left side?
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:30 am

That would be better than re doing all mountains. But yes, dark = shadow.
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:40 am

In odre I drew:

- The shadows on the left side
- Then the shadows on the right side
- And now the shadows again on the left side
- Next step?
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby Oneyed on Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:32 pm

could you redone the delta of Loire?
and maybe kick off black frame of Paris inset.

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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:47 pm

Oneyed wrote:could you redone the delta of Loire?
and maybe kick off black frame of Paris inset.

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Forget redoing the delta of Loire, no reason can be found for having to redo that. As for the black frame, that will be up to you. Map makers prerogative if you like.
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby Oneyed on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:53 pm

koontz1973 wrote:Forget redoing the delta of Loire, no reason can be found for having to redo that.


you can not see how different it looks when you look at other deltas? it looks different as deltas and also different as sea.

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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:57 pm

Thank you koontz. I deal with the dark side of the mountain.

What is the general opinion about the black frame?
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby jghost7 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:32 pm

So, can Nord attack Wallonie to bombard Paris?
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.4 [20 February 2013] pg 21/21

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:37 pm

Here I drew the dark side of the mountain on the same side as the shadows. ;)


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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.3 [19 February 2013] pg 20/20

Postby jghost7 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:20 am

Can someone answer this for me? As I understand it, Wallonie would start neutral. If Nord can attack Wallonie, then wouldn't a line work better than an arrow?


jghost7 wrote:So, can Nord attack Wallonie to bombard Paris?
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.4 [20 February 2013] pg 21/21

Postby Mishalex on Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:12 am

Sorry, no Nord can't attack Wallonie, only Paris can.

Same for the other foreign claims
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.4 [20 February 2013] pg 21/21

Postby jghost7 on Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:15 pm

Mishalex wrote:Sorry, no Nord can't attack Wallonie, only Paris can.

Same for the other foreign claims



What is the point of the foreign claims then? What is the point of having them bombard Paris? The whole point was to be able to try to break the winning condition.

As it stands, nearly all of the Winning Condition is centralized. Allowing atleast bombing access from afar would be a step to mitigate that. Frankly, I think that it would be better if Paris doesn't attack the Foreign Claims at all, maybe just bombard. That gives the foreign claims a purpose. Have them to be assaultable only from their home region, ie Nord to Wallonie.

Anyways, thanks for the answer. I am looking forward to trying this map.


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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.2 [18 January 2013] pg 18/18

Postby RedBaron0 on Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:20 pm

I go back to this post from RJ:

RjBeals wrote:you may want to clean up the borders also. It looks unfinished where the rivers meet the sea.

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If you could make the outer edge of the map look as good as he did... you're really be set. On that note of the rivers though, I'm not too sure about the outline around the river, perhaps instead of black, a dark blue? Or even think of dropping the outline entirely?

The mountains do look worlds better, I'm still not in love with the unnaturally stretched look of the tallest mountains.... but will let it go as long as no one else is bothered by it.

I agree with the look of the coastline by the Pas de Calis, there is an unnatural sharp angle there, 2 actually, that could stand to be at least rounded out. And as I look at it a lot of the west and northern coastline have a angled or sharp edges that just don't look very good. Brittany isn't that bad, but Normandy and the rest of the coastline along the Bay of Biscay and the Med have these angled and sharp edges. I point at the minimap to make my point the coastlines there much much better. This may go back to my first comment on the coastlines. If I didn't know any better I'd say you have used a lot of vectoring to draw those outlines. No matter how you've drown them, you're best bet for making them look better, natural, is to zoom in, and draw them in by hand. You'll get that natural jitteryness of a coastline by doing so, and while I know it's tedious... its worth it.
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.2 [18 January 2013] pg 18/18

Postby Mishalex on Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:03 pm

RedBaron0 wrote:I go back to this post from RJ:

RjBeals wrote:you may want to clean up the borders also. It looks unfinished where the rivers meet the sea.

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If you could make the outer edge of the map look as good as he did... you're really be set. On that note of the rivers though, I'm not too sure about the outline around the river, perhaps instead of black, a dark blue? Or even think of dropping the outline entirely?

The mountains do look worlds better, I'm still not in love with the unnaturally stretched look of the tallest mountains.... but will let it go as long as no one else is bothered by it.

I agree with the look of the coastline by the Pas de Calis, there is an unnatural sharp angle there, 2 actually, that could stand to be at least rounded out. And as I look at it a lot of the west and northern coastline have a angled or sharp edges that just don't look very good. Brittany isn't that bad, but Normandy and the rest of the coastline along the Bay of Biscay and the Med have these angled and sharp edges. I point at the minimap to make my point the coastlines there much much better. This may go back to my first comment on the coastlines. If I didn't know any better I'd say you have used a lot of vectoring to draw those outlines. No matter how you've drown them, you're best bet for making them look better, natural, is to zoom in, and draw them in by hand. You'll get that natural jitteryness of a coastline by doing so, and while I know it's tedious... its worth it.


Hi Baron,

For the Loire meeting the sea, LdL have done the modifications on the last map...

For the river borders, it's a talk we already have 6 month earlier, and we decided to keep it that way...

Now, regarding the main problem, the coast line, it's effectively a problem, cause it's a hard hard work to do it... So maybe LdL did it approximatelly, but it's close to the reality... Let's see what LdL say about it...

Thanks for your notices, butin my opinion, it's very difficult for us to see people talking again on subjects that have been discussed way earlier...
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.4 [20 February 2013] pg 21/21

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:09 pm

Indeed, posting should look at the history of the discussion. See if the topic has not already been discussed. Since 6 months, made ​​and unmade the same things.
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.2 [18 January 2013] pg 18/18

Postby RjBeals on Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:21 pm

Lancelot du Lac wrote:Normally, the graphics have already been validated there more than a month.

The problem is that now I have to do everything twice on the big and small map.

We can always find things again, again and again. Now it is my last updates.


This was the response to the borders. You're only response was that you didn't want to have to do things again and again. If multiple people point out an issue, shouldn't you address it or have a "better" reason for not ?
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Re: FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9.1 [11 October 2012] pg 13/13

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:50 am

Lancelot du Lac wrote:FRANCE 2.0 - Version 9.1 [11 October 2012] pg 13/13
koontz1973 wrote:Rivers, they are massive in places. Some like the one between Gard and Bouche de rhone are nice. Can we get the others at a similar width?

pamoa wrote:I would also add a thin dark grey line around the rivers

Last picture, is it ok for you ?
- standardize rivers
- add a black border on rivers


Do I have to remove again the borders rivers?

You can see the version 9.1 and see rivers without borders.Is this what you want?
Are you the only one to think like that, or me wanting more does one a month to do borders?
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Re: FRANCE 2.1 - Version 10.4 [20 February 2013] pg 21/21

Postby RjBeals on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:38 am

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You want the rivers to look like they're part of the map right? Not drawn in on top, or an afterthought. Either take the borders off, or add them to the coast line to match. That's my opinion. If you wait a month, this post will still be here. If anyone looks back over the thread, they will see this and may feel the same way. Waiting doesn't make graphical critiques disappear.

In all honesty - this map looks very novice.
The title is about a 10 second job with no creativity. One of the worst I've seen.
The mountains still look bad. Clipart that doesn't fit well.
The region font is nothing special and hard to read in places.
The mini-map looks out of place, like an island.
The legend is bland.

You shouldn't be so quick to dismiss critiques. I would think you would want to improve your skills.

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