[Vacation - Valid until May 2013] - CONQUERSHIP (1v1 map)

[koontz1973]

With the change from the original idea to this, what is missing game play wise for the 2 player option. I seem to remember telephones and such like for something.

[DiM]

Also, please note that sea cells can only bombard adjacent ship cells - they could not reinforce them regardless of the setting.

indeed. i must have misread that bit.
i may be the only one cause english is not my main language but the instructions kinda remind me of "she sells sea shells by the sea shore" and somehow it's hard to read. perhaps use another word instead of cells.

[lostatlimbo]

With the change from the original idea to this, what is missing game play wise for the 2 player option. I seem to remember telephones and such like for something.

Those map elements that were only necessary when the gameplays were split.

[lostatlimbo]

indeed. i must have misread that bit.
i may be the only one cause english is not my main language but the instructions kinda remind me of "she sells sea shells by the sea shore" and somehow it's hard to read. perhaps use another word instead of cells. :lol:

Haha. Fair enough.

[koontz1973]

Correct me if I am wrong on this, but if I go first, I can bombard the other players ships from my ships or any sea territ I hold next to there ships. If this is correct, then there is a good chance I can win the game first turn.

[lostatlimbo]

FYI, I'm just waiting for Sully to return and add in his thoughts before making any changes or suggestions.

[Victor Sullivan]

And here he is!

Valid points all around, therefore I suggest the following:

I discussed with lostatlimbo previously via PM about a set-up where ship cells of one type of ship could only bombard the ship cells of the same type of ship on the other side, and that each coordinate could bombard the corresponding coordinate on the other side of the map (therefore allowing some sea cells on one side to be able to bombard ship cells on the other side). lostatlimbo, however, disagreed, saying it was too open. Valid point, so we changed it to this. Suppose we do a compromise by adding "bombard zones" where only sea cells with corresponding ship cells may bombard across the divider. That's a poor explanation of it, so I've provided a visual aid to help explain my proposal:

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Obviously we'd have to make some amendments to the current draft, as the Carriers overlap and I think a white peg or two interfere as well.

Thoughts?

-Sully

[lostatlimbo]

I'd be okay with that, but does it sufficiently address the unequal starts concerns? Theoretically, you could still go to town on each ship individually and doesn't the cross-board bombardment just potentially add more troops from which to attack a ship on 1st turn?

[koontz1973]

With Sullys amendment, it would still be possible for me to bombard ship to ship, right. So with the added sea cells from my side and any sea cell I have by the opposing ship, it has made it easier for me to win first turn. Not harder.

Coming up with a solution, maybe look at Arms Race. That is the only other map that has this style of play and has the rockets on each side. You could easily add something like that to this but in the sense of a navy gun.

So you could add territs like

Armory
lift
powder
shell
aiming

That gives you 5 territs that can be attacked by any ship starting at the armory and working up.
Give big enough neutrals to stop it happening straight away but a good sized bonus for holding all of them.

So a game would go one of two ways. An all out attempt of reaching the last part of the shell or an all out attempt of gaining a foothold on the opposing players sea cells. This then allows you to bombard the ships and win. With the cross board shelling, you could have it as a ship can only bombard its opposite cell. In your current draft, B3 is held by both carriers, so this would be able to bombard each side, taking out the bonus. Moving the ships around so only one or two ship territs correspond would then allow players to hit the ships but not sink them. So red A1 can only hit Green A1 and only if both held a ship.

Having a bonus of +1 per ship that has a territ in is to easy to hold. Have it that you need to hold all the territs for the ship and give a decent bonus depending on the size of ship.

Hope I made myself clear.

EDIT: It might also be nice to be able to remove troops from the ships. Almost as if the are abandoning a sinking ship or disembarking in boats to attack.

[Victor Sullivan]

I'd be okay with that, but does it sufficiently address the unequal starts concerns?

To an extent, to say the least. They would have to be more strategic with their troop placement (since they wouldn't be able to drop all on one sea cell).

Theoretically, you could still go to town on each ship individually and doesn't the cross-board bombardment just potentially add more troops from which to attack a ship on 1st turn?

No, I'd adjust neutrals or starting positions to fix that.

@koontz: I'm not too keen on straying that far away from the original concept, but I understand your concerns. I'll think on this more.

-Sully

[koontz1973]

@koontz: I'm not too keen on straying that far away from the original concept, but I understand your concerns. I'll think on this more.

-Sully

You might have to stray far from the original concept. As long as you have cross over bombardments from the ships, you will get round one knock outs.

[isaiah40]

Oooops! I forgot something! So here is your approved supersize status!

[lostatlimbo]

Thanks Isaiah!

I'll make an update to this soon.

[Victor Sullivan]

@koontz: I'm not too keen on straying that far away from the original concept, but I understand your concerns. I'll think on this more.

-Sully

You might have to stray far from the original concept. As long as you have cross over bombardments from the ships, you will get round one knock outs.

I understand that we may have to stray away, but my intent is to not stray far.

-Sully

[koontz1973]

@koontz: I'm not too keen on straying that far away from the original concept, but I understand your concerns. I'll think on this more.

-Sully

You might have to stray far from the original concept. As long as you have cross over bombardments from the ships, you will get round one knock outs.

I understand that we may have to stray away, but my intent is to not stray far.

-Sully

You had the telephones in the original (which I cannot see). Why not try to integrate those into the gameplay again. Bung a 15 neutral on them and you solve your problem. Only allow the telephone to assault ships (to signify the onset of war). You could easily place them in the middle of the board. This would solve all problems including manual deployment.