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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby The Bison King on Wed May 16, 2012 4:42 pm

BGtheBrain wrote:
The Bison King wrote:Uh I wasn't realy planing on doing decals, and I can't just put a territory down called "horses"

Oh, I thoguht you were talking pictures...

Lexington is far greater than Louisville, most of the state likes it because of the basketball.
Louisville is kind of important to itself only.
Frankfort is the capital, but no one cares.
Florence is a better city than Covington to represent the northern part of Kentucky, plus it has the water tower.
Most of the other cities are insignficant.

How many do you want?

3 is good. Thank you.
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby BGtheBrain on Wed May 16, 2012 6:31 pm

Well the "golden triangle" is Lexington Louisville And Northern kentucky.

Covington is bigger, but Florence is better.
The area calls it self northern Kentucky if you'd be willing to do that.
You could just use Cincinnati right at the southern Ohio border.
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby chapcrap on Wed May 16, 2012 7:34 pm

BGtheBrain wrote:Well the "golden triangle" is Lexington Louisville And Northern kentucky.

Covington is bigger, but Florence is better.
The area calls it self northern Kentucky if you'd be willing to do that.
You could just use Cincinnati right at the southern Ohio border.

Cincinnati wouldn't work for his state bonus though...

And no decals is a great choice.
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby BGtheBrain on Wed May 16, 2012 7:51 pm

1) Lexington
2) Louisville
3) Florence or covington
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby The Bison King on Sun May 20, 2012 12:28 am

I think I'll go with Florence.
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby cairnswk on Sun May 20, 2012 3:56 pm

TBK...that bottom left corner of Kentucky....bit bare from a city and highway pov....makes the map seem a little unbalanced.
Perhaps you could include Paducah or Princeton. :)
PS, GFX-wise i am liking the design.
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby cairnswk on Sun May 20, 2012 4:13 pm

did you mean adjacent instead of "adjectent" in the roads connecting phrase?

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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby BGtheBrain on Sun May 20, 2012 5:00 pm

Paducah is good
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby blakebowling on Sun May 20, 2012 5:26 pm

What about Bowling Green? It's much larger than Florence and Covington combined. Plus it's in the southern area of Kentucky, so it looks more visually balanced.
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby cairnswk on Sun May 20, 2012 5:31 pm

blakebowling wrote:What about Bowling Green? It's much larger than Florence and Covington combined. Plus it's in the southern area of Kentucky, so it looks more visually balanced.

Yes, i had thought of that, but for me, it would be like using Florence creating a trianlge in that area.
The reason i looked more at Paducah was because it could join up (and does in RL) with both Louisville and St Louis, and fill that bottom left corner of the map more successfully.
Only my opinion though. :)
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby The Bison King on Mon May 21, 2012 9:02 pm

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blakebowling wrote:What about Bowling Green? It's much larger than Florence and Covington combined. Plus it's in the southern area of Kentucky, so it looks more visually balanced.

Yes, i had thought of that, but for me, it would be like using Florence creating a trianlge in that area.
The reason i looked more at Paducah was because it could join up (and does in RL) with both Louisville and St Louis, and fill that bottom left corner of the map more successfully.
Only my opinion though. :)

Hmm, and an interesting one. My problem is that I've never heard of Peducah, and it's pop. is below a hundred thousand. That's just to small to be listed with the other cities on this map. Bowling Green is cutting it close but Blake's right it's pop. is much greater than Florence to I think I'm putting that at the top of the list of a Kentucky 3rd.
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby army of nobunaga on Mon May 21, 2012 11:31 pm

i like you bison... and you know im honest.


So ill say Meh... this isnt giving me a boner in any way.

Its pretty lame actually.

and Im not just picking on you... I told DiM that marooned was the worst map I have ever seen... And it really is, this one is not that bad.


You have a lot of talent and I wish you would branch out of england and america.... but you will take this for what you will and push on and finish this map.

just promise me the next one will not be a limp ass fish. k?


Noone has ver done a real alamo map.. how about when the spanish conquered the impenetrable island of the Mayans in mexico city? dude that is like the first 2 off of my head....


but here I stare at Kentucky.


Ken-friggin-tobacco-tucky


push it through because that is what you guys with shitty ideas do anyways here.... just in the next map try to understand noone wants a fucking Idaho map.


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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby army of nobunaga on Mon May 21, 2012 11:36 pm

and just for the record... so you do not embarrass all by naming this the heartland


....

the heartland in america IS WHERE THE FOOD IS GROWN

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_United_States


NOT KENTUCKY



"The term Midwestern has been in use since the 1880s to refer to portions of the central U.S.[6] A variant term, "Middle West," has been in use since the 19th century and remains relatively common.[7] Another term sometimes applied to the same general region is "the heartland".[8] Other designations for the region have fallen out of use, such as the "Northwest" or "Old Northwest" (from "Northwest Territory") and "Mid-America". The four westernmost states of the Midwest—the Dakotas, Nebraska, and Kansas—were in the late 19th century very much part of the "Old West"."
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby The Bison King on Tue May 22, 2012 1:08 am

Man how many times do I have to have Wikipedia's map of the mid-west thrown in my face? I get it, I know what Wikipedia equates to the midwest. I will remind you all once again that the term "heartland" isn't a real denotation of any specific region in America. It's a made up term that can refer to any interior region of the country. Saying Kentucky is not part of the heartland is like saying that Chocolate Town isn't part of Candy Land. You cannot prove that it is or isn't because there are no actual borders to Candy Land, it's whatever you want to believe it to be.

I consider the truest definition of the "heartland" to be the oldest and most populated part of the interior, of which Kentucky is most definitely a part of. That's just my definition. I don't expect everyone to agree with it.

Now as for your other comments,

army of nobunaga wrote:i like you bison... and you know im honest.


So ill say Meh... this isnt giving me a boner in any way.

Its pretty lame actually.

and Im not just picking on you... I told DiM that marooned was the worst map I have ever seen... And it really is, this one is not that bad.


You have a lot of talent and I wish you would branch out of england and america.... but you will take this for what you will and push on and finish this map.

just promise me the next one will not be a limp ass fish. k?


Noone has ver done a real alamo map.. how about when the spanish conquered the impenetrable island of the Mayans in mexico city? dude that is like the first 2 off of my head....


but here I stare at Kentucky.


Ken-friggin-tobacco-tucky


push it through because that is what you guys with shitty ideas do anyways here.... just in the next map try to understand noone wants a fucking Idaho map.


cheers

I know you're honest, I know you like me, and I will be taking your comment with a grain of salt.

I know that this is kind of a dull region to focus on. That's sort of what made me think it would be a neat idea though. I like making un-cool thing's cool. That being said I'm not sure if I am going to finish this idea (nothing to do with what you said I've been considering this for a while). I don't know... I might. I'm really at the crossroads with this one, and there's 3 roads I'm looking at.

1.)carry on as is, why? because I think I've go a fairly neat map going on here that focuses on a fairly neat while otherwise neglected part of the country, that'll be pretty fun to play on.

2.)Scrap it, why? because this isn't generating a lot of excitement and I have some other idea's that might be better suited for this style of gameplay.

3.)Expand it to cover, all of Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Missouri, as well as parts of Kansas and Minnesota, why? to fit a more generic sense of the term "heartland" and pull in a slightly larger audience.



You have a lot of talent and I wish you would branch out of england and america.... but you will take this for what you will and push on and finish this map.

And for the record, I've NEVER done a map of England. I did a map of the British isles that very specifically omitted England.

and with that said I'm thinking I'm going to do a map of Feudal England next. Suck it up.
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby chapcrap on Tue May 22, 2012 5:04 am

Bison, I've heard of Paducah. I would say that it's not super obscure. I'm not from Kentucky, but if it's better for the map, I would use it. I've never heard of Florence.
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby Epitaph1 on Tue May 22, 2012 12:38 pm

One of Paducah's claims to fame is that is has one of the nation's largest storage sites for low level nuclear waste. It's not too far from a pretty substantial fault line too.

I like the thought of balancing the state by adding Paducah instead of Florence. Florence is within 20 miles of Cinci, and Covington & Newport are right across the river from Cinci. It would be fun to have it on a CC map, but I don't know if would be the best fit gameplay-wise.

You could also use Ashland or Hazard as options if you are looking to space out the cities a bit. Neither have very big populations, but Ashland has a pretty substantial oil refining industry and Hazard seems to have some strange notoriety within the state (I was raised in Northern Kentucky).
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby army of nobunaga on Tue May 22, 2012 12:43 pm

Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I look forward to your arizona and wyoming projects.

And England 600ad is england. You can call it what you want. Its yet another easy retread.

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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby The Bison King on Tue May 22, 2012 1:20 pm

army of nobunaga wrote:Well you have your opinion and I have mine. I look forward to your arizona and wyoming projects.

And England 600ad is england. You can call it what you want. Its yet another easy retread.

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Ok thanks goodbye
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed May 23, 2012 2:48 pm

army of nobunaga wrote:i like you bison... and you know im honest.


So ill say Meh... this isnt giving me a boner in any way.

Its pretty lame actually.

and Im not just picking on you... I told DiM that marooned was the worst map I have ever seen... And it really is, this one is not that bad.


You have a lot of talent and I wish you would branch out of england and america.... but you will take this for what you will and push on and finish this map.

just promise me the next one will not be a limp ass fish. k?


Noone has ver done a real alamo map.. how about when the spanish conquered the impenetrable island of the Mayans in mexico city? dude that is like the first 2 off of my head....


but here I stare at Kentucky.


Ken-friggin-tobacco-tucky


push it through because that is what you guys with shitty ideas do anyways here.... just in the next map try to understand noone wants a fucking Idaho map.


cheers


If you're not going to post constructive criticism of the map, go ahead and feel free to leave the thread alone. There's no need for you to drop in to map threads and let the creators know how stupid you think there map is. The only thing that accomplishes is getting yourself put on ignore lists when you actually do have constructive things to say.
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby army of nobunaga on Wed May 23, 2012 11:04 pm

My opinion is as good as yours... I have recently told a few people that a map sucked, not only to your good friend Bison. Not all criticism is going to make you weak kneed mammas boys happy.


Building something for the sake of building something is not always positive. IN ANY facet of life.

If a man helps to lower a bar in a system I believe in (the foundry) then yes... I WILL speak out. make me stop! This is a dirt ass map. It will not be played. Its not even very historically accurate. I do not like it. That is my opinion. I have invested thousands in CC over the years. I am vested and have a vested interest in its survival.

I do not pop in and out. I have posted in this forum for years... before you.

I have crossmapped 180 maps, and have played something like 7000 games. I have education, and experience. I WILL post my opinion.

These state maps are stupid, dull, and uninteresting. And I feel they lower the bar here. While I was away there were maps pushed through this system that I can only scratch my head at. Noone had the courage to say "Hey man, you work really hard and have a lot of talent, but this latest idea is not that great."

If you are not constantly trying to make a product better, then you are failing... IN ANY facet of life.

Sorry.

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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby The Bison King on Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:03 pm

Ok I think you should just go ahead and bin this for now. I kind of don't have any steam left for this project. I might come back to it later on but I sort of doubt it.

and just to make sure everyone's clear on this. This was my decision, based entirely on how I felt about this project and has very little to do with anything posted by AoN.
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Re: American Heartland :focus on Kentucky:

Postby nolefan5311 on Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:27 pm

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Per mapmakers request. If the mapmaker wants to continue with the map, then one of the Cartography Assistants will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made. :)
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