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by **natty dread** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:08 am

koontz1973 wrote:But right now your trade routes make no sense. They are just randomly placed dots on a map.

Your mom is randomly placed dots on a map....

In Helsinki we have our airport in the neighbouring city, and all the air traffic to Helsinki, like mail and such, goes there and then is transported here. Helsinki is the capital of Finland, in case you're not aware.

Anyway, you should know by now that if you place realism above gameplay, you end up with crappy maps. Gameplay should always be first priority.

Industrial Helix wrote:Glad to see this map on the move.

It might be cool for the non-affiliated area to have a rebellious decay.

It might, but then I'm not sure if it serves any good gameplay purpose?

by **koontz1973** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:25 am

natty_dread wrote:Your mom is randomly placed dots on a map....

WTF has my mum got to do with this?

In Helsinki we have our airport in the neighbouring city, and all the air traffic to Helsinki, like mail and such, goes there and then is transported here. Helsinki is the capital of Finland, in case you're not aware.

What has Helsinki got to do with Myans?

Anyway, you should know by now that if you place realism above gameplay, you end up with crappy maps. Gameplay should always be first priority.

GP trumps real life but stupidity does not trump GP. Right now the trade routes make no sense and there for are stupid. I am sure you can come up with a better solution if you spend more than 2 minutes thinking about it. That is what they look like. As if you just decided to do some paths randomly over the map with no though or reasoning behind it.

by **natty dread** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:05 am

koontz1973 wrote:GP trumps real life but stupidity does not trump GP. Right now the trade routes make no sense and there for are stupid.

Well thanks for that opinion. You know what's really stupid though? Making a map with a crappy and unbalanced gameplay.

by **koontz1973** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:38 am

natty_dread wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:GP trumps real life but stupidity does not trump GP. Right now the trade routes make no sense and there for are stupid.

Well thanks for that opinion. You know what's really stupid though? Making a map with a crappy and unbalanced gameplay.

Like this one then. GL. And you did not answer the other question, what has my mother got to do with this map? You always start with the insults when somebody disagrees with you. Why?

by **natty dread** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:18 am

Well, like I previously indicated, Your Mother was a huge inspiration for all the random dots all over this map. I could never have achieved such a randomness of dots without seeking consultation from Your Mother.

Are you having a bad day Koontz? I don't remember you being so sensitive and temperamental before.

by **natty dread** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:30 am

As you can see from this image, the actual trade routes didn't necessarily correlate with the capitals in mayan culture. So if you're saying it's "stupid", fine, maybe the mayans were stupid. But simply because you think something is stupid, doesn't mean it shouldn't be (or wasn't) done that way.

For that matter, the "capitals" weren't really capitals per se... they were simply the strongest cities which ruled over the neighbouring, smaller cities and collected taxes from them. The smaller cities could still have their own trade with other cities. I've simply named them "capitals" on this map because that's easier for players to relate to, it's more intuitive that way, and makes their gameplay role clearer.

by **natty dread** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:46 am

Anyway, all things considered, I'm changing the routes somewhat. I moved the western route 1 step away from Palenque, for consistency. Also added a new route between Quirigua and Uaxactun.

Also: I'm changing the name of the map to The Mayans. Mayan Empire is a bit misleading since there was no single empire with a centralized rule, rather there were numerous smaller Mayan empires or kingdoms or city-states.

Click image to enlarge.

by **Oneyed** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:55 am

looking nice. one trade route has 5 regions, while the rest 4 regions. could this be changed?

by **natty dread** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:02 am

It does but it still only has 4 borders, Abaj Takalik is protected by the mountains.

by **natty dread** on Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:59 am

Come to think of it, I'm not entirely satisfied with the name "The Mayans" either. It kind of sounds like some kind of bizarre sitcom tv show about mayans who practice all kinds of funny shenanigans like trying to avoid being sacrificed to the sun god and such...

Maybe "Mayan Nations"?

by **natty dread** on Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:36 am

Changed name again, to Mayan Nations.

Click image to enlarge.

by **lostatlimbo** on Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:39 am

Wow. I love this. A good bit going on for a fairly small map, but very straightforward. Nicely done.

I think the background would look better if you found something that looks old and weathered. Something that suggests "jungle ruin".

For the title: Mayan Empire

by **tokle** on Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:58 am

For the title, how about just Maya. That seems to me to be the most simple and correct label for this map.

by **J_Indr** on Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:03 pm

You could also consider something like "Mayan Cities" or "Mayan Kingdoms"

by **The Bison King** on Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:23 am

Hey cool it uses those road type bonuses I used on Thyseneal/American Heartland. Also the main bonus structure reminds me of that Westeros map I started a while ago. Basically that means "Cool I like it!"

Also I think that's a cool region/time period.

Sweet.