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Re: Slovakia [15.03.12] - V9 - P1&9

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:47 am

natty dread wrote:
DiM wrote:
natty dread wrote:I have to say, now that I look at this map again... I wonder if the flag background of the map makes it a bit too busy. Maybe if you made the red & blue parts of the map lighter it would be a bit easier to follow...



something like the minimap?


Maybe even slightly lighter...

This is what I was referring to, mostly in agreement with natty dread.


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Re: Slovakia [15.03.12] - V9 - P1&9

Postby DiM on Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:51 am

natty dread wrote:
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natty dread wrote:I have to say, now that I look at this map again... I wonder if the flag background of the map makes it a bit too busy. Maybe if you made the red & blue parts of the map lighter it would be a bit easier to follow...



something like the minimap?


Maybe even slightly lighter...


i tweaked both the minimap as well as the main map:
something like this perhaps...
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Re: Slovakia [15.03.12] - V9 - P1&9

Postby natty dread on Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:40 am

The left side still looks really dark there...
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Re: Slovakia [15.03.12] - V9 - P1&9

Postby DiM on Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:47 am

natty dread wrote:The left side still looks really dark there...


not just the left side, there's a bit of variation throughout the map. i don't want it identical all over.
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Re: Slovakia [15.Mar.12] - V9 - P1&9

Postby jsnyder748 on Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:35 pm

I think that making the legend in the bottom right easier to read (I.E no background flag) would help users get used to how the regions are laid out because their is so much going on in the left side of the map.....plus when we add in troop spots it will make the regions more clear. Just some thoughts :D
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Re: Slovakia [30.01.12] - V7 - P1&6

Postby iancanton on Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:52 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:As far as starting positions go, would something like this work?

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<positions max="1">
     <position>
          <territory>Ponitrie</territory>
          <territory>Zahorie</territory>
     </position>
     <position>
          <territory>Stredue Povazie</territory>
          <territory>Tekov</territory>
     </position>
     <position>
          <territory>Abov</territory>
          <territory>Hont</territory>
     </position>
     <position>
          <territory>Dolny Zemplin</territory>
          <territory>Pohronie</territory>
     </position>
</positions>

this doesn't work in 1v1 because, 33% of the time, both players drop a bonus, following which player 1 uses his bonus against that of player 2.

Victor Sullivan wrote:Alternatively you could go this route (with Ponitrie as a neutral 2):

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<positions>
     <position>
          <territory>Stredue Povazie</territory>
          <territory>Tekov</territory>
     </position>
     <position>
          <territory>Abov</territory>
          <territory>Hont</territory>
     </position>
     <position>
          <territory>Dolny Zemplin</territory>
          <territory>Pohronie</territory>
     </position>
</positions>

That would leave 3 extra neutrals in 1v1s. I'd have to figure out how this affects the drop numbers. Naturally, both of these options create a lot of neutrals for 5+ player games.

this doesn't work either in 1v1: if player 1 drops abov and hont and player 2 drops stredue povazie and tekov, then dolny zemplin and pohronie are put back into the pot for random allocation to player 1, player 2 or neutral, which results in a roughly one-third chance that dolny zemplin ends up with player 1; this means a 22% chance of player 1 starting with a bonus.

to reduce player 1's drop advantage, we need a neutral on one region of each of the 2-region bonuses. to restore the number of random-start regions to 24, i suggest adding bratislava airport region and kosice airport region as a way to connect slovakia's two largest cities and let someone capture the bratislava bonus without going through trnava. since the map is long and thin, perhaps the airports can be represented simply as two aeroplanes with troop circles below the main map, connected to each other and to their cities as dotted lines.

i also echo the call for the flag to be lighter. it's too distracting.

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Re: Slovakia [15.Mar.12] - V9 - P1&9

Postby DiM on Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:17 pm

V10:
*made the flag lighter on the map and even lighter on the minimap
*added 2 terits (airports)

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Re: Slovakia [15.Mar.12] - V9 - P1&9

Postby iancanton on Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:43 pm

sorry for the delay, DiM. we're discussing ur map behind the scenes prior to js stamping it. please can u show us where the neutral-starting regions will be (one region of each of the 2-region bonuses) and whether u prefer them to start with 2 or 3 neutral troops? we might tweak one or two of ur bonuses, though the majority are spot-on. i personally believe that the basic layout is good and that u won't need to change any borders. perhaps put an airport symbol beside the airport regions, to emphasise that they're not part of a flag bonus.

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Re: Slovakia [08.Apr.12] - V10 - P1&10

Postby DiM on Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:27 pm

here you go ian.
V11:
*added airplane icon
*moved the airplane explanation
*added neutrals
*corrected terit names
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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby Oneyed on Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:46 am

I found one mistake in text:

Stredue Povazie - Stredne Povazie

what about ˇ´ - when I look at the Slovak names without these they looks peliculiar...

maybe you should use for airports slovak names - letisko: Letisko Kosice, Letisko Bratislava.

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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby DiM on Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:23 am

Oneyed wrote:I found one mistake in text:

Stredue Povazie - Stredne Povazie


will correct in the next update.

Oneyed wrote:what about ˇ´ - when I look at the Slovak names without these they looks peliculiar...


if you can tell me the correct names i'll be glad to change them.
i've only found a few like Prešov, Žilina, Trenčín, Košice
but i'm sure there are more.

Oneyed wrote:maybe you should use for airports slovak names - letisko: Letisko Kosice, Letisko Bratislava.

Oneyed


letisko means airport. i could use it but then the explanation would be in english so it would be weird.
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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby Oneyed on Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:32 am

here are correct slovak names:

Záhorie
Stredné Považie
Horné Považie
Podpoľanie
Spiš
Šariš
Horný Zemplín
Dolný Zemplín

Košice Airport

for airport/letisko, it is only my slovak view - when I see all Slovak names I would like also these in Slovak language... ;)

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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby DiM on Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:16 am

thanks Oneyed.
i've corrected the names and replaced the image in the post above. click refresh and check it out.
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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby ManBungalow on Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:57 am

Why is this map thread a sticky ?
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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:21 pm

ManBungalow wrote:Why is this map thread a sticky ?

Because he is waiting for the game play stamp. As soon as he gets it, he loses it untill graphics are done. :roll:
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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby DiM on Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:35 pm

ManBungalow wrote:Why is this map thread a sticky ?



because i bribed the authorities. ;)
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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby nolefan5311 on Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:55 am

Just for clarification, the airports are NOT part of the bonus, correct?
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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby nolefan5311 on Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:52 pm

Ok, I think if you go ahead and code one neutral for both of the two territory regions (Kosice and Trnava) and code one of the starting positions for Nitra a neutral as well, you'd probably be good to go for the stamp.
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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby DiM on Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:27 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:Just for clarification, the airports are NOT part of the bonus, correct?


nope. they don't have a flag so don't belong to any bonus.
they're just there to open the map a bit and to provide 24 starting terits.
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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby DiM on Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:27 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:Ok, I think if you go ahead and code one neutral for both of the two territory regions (Kosice and Trnava) and code one of the starting positions for Nitra a neutral as well, you'd probably be good to go for the stamp.


stredne, dolny and bratislava start with 3 neutral troops.
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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby iancanton on Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:39 pm

if u code exactly 3 start positions (pohronie, tekov and hont), then u can bring down the chance of player 1 starting with a bonus in 1v1 games to under 3%, which is as good as classic, without any more starting neutrals than the three that u already have.

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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby DiM on Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:56 pm

iancanton wrote:if u code exactly 3 start positions (pohronie, tekov and hont), then u can bring down the chance of player 1 starting with a bonus in 1v1 games to under 3%, which is as good as classic, without any more starting neutrals than the three that u already have.

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that sounds good to me.
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Re: Slovakia [12.Apr.12] - V11 - P1&10

Postby DiM on Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:34 pm

V12:
*changed bratislava airpot to bratislava airport
*made small map
*changed trnava from +2 to +3

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Re: Slovakia [18.Apr.12] - V12 - P1&11

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:03 am

DiM, after discussing with Ian, if you agree to increase the bonus for Trnava from 2 to 3, we can go ahead and get this stamped.
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Re: Slovakia [18.Apr.12] - V12 - P1&11

Postby DiM on Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:07 am

nolefan5311 wrote:DiM, after discussing with Ian, if you agree to increase the bonus for Trnava from 2 to 3, we can go ahead and get this stamped.


updated images above.
the +2 was good with the old setup considering trnava was locking bratislava, but now with the airports a +3 is indeed more fitting.
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