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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [April 22, '12] - Page

Postby koontz1973 on Sat May 26, 2012 10:54 pm

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If the mapmaker wants to continue with the map, then one of the Foundry Moderators will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made. ;)

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Are you serious? Am I correct to read here that you believe we've given up and have moved the map out of the Foundry? Upon what justification? This is pissing me off, guys. Get things straight: you've already changed the rules on us twice. We're going as fast as we can. The most recent update was only 30 days ago.

I was very serious. To keep the drafting room clear of maps that may not get made, there is one month to get an update made. The last one was on the 22 April. On the 26th of May I moved this after being told that you and the artist where very busy in RL and you where not sure an update was forthcoming any time soon. An update does not need to be any major changes, it can be in fact a very minor change. As you have now made on, back it goes.

[Moved back]

And as for your update, thanks for getting it down to the 840/800 size. This is much better. Stickied for now, will send it up soon.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [April 22, '12] - Page

Postby VicFontaine on Sat May 26, 2012 11:28 pm

koontz1973 wrote:
VicFontaine wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:[Moved]


If the mapmaker wants to continue with the map, then one of the Foundry Moderators will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made. ;)

koontz


Are you serious? Am I correct to read here that you believe we've given up and have moved the map out of the Foundry? Upon what justification? This is pissing me off, guys. Get things straight: you've already changed the rules on us twice. We're going as fast as we can. The most recent update was only 30 days ago.

I was very serious. To keep the drafting room clear of maps that may not get made, there is one month to get an update made. The last one was on the 22 April. On the 26th of May I moved this after being told that you and the artist where very busy in RL and you where not sure an update was forthcoming any time soon. An update does not need to be any major changes, it can be in fact a very minor change. As you have now made on, back it goes.

[Moved back]

And as for your update, thanks for getting it down to the 840/800 size. This is much better. Stickied for now, will send it up soon.


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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [May 26, '12] - Page 12

Postby koontz1973 on Tue May 29, 2012 10:59 pm

Time to boot this one upstairs. Good luck in the main foundry. ;)

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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [May 26, '12] - Page 12

Postby VicFontaine on Tue May 29, 2012 11:14 pm

koontz1973 wrote:Time to boot this one upstairs. Good luck in the main foundry. ;)

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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [May 26, '12] - Page 12

Postby VicFontaine on Wed May 30, 2012 10:11 pm

So...what now?
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [May 26, '12] - Page 12

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu May 31, 2012 8:01 pm

I will run gameplay here in the next couple of days, see if there are any issues with the bonus structure and drop probabilities.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [May 26, '12] - Page 12

Postby VicFontaine on Thu May 31, 2012 8:11 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:I will run gameplay here in the next couple of days, see if there are any issues with the bonus structure and drop probabilities.


Just be sure you ask yourself, "Would this make Drew Brees happy?" Just to confirm: I'm now waiting several days, right?
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [May 26, '12] - Page 12

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Thu May 31, 2012 8:22 pm

why is some cities in red while the others are blue.
i can't find the difference in the legend. all i see are medium cities are blue.
which to be clear, mississippi only has medium and small cities. :lol:
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [May 26, '12] - Page 12

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu May 31, 2012 8:24 pm

You sound like my roommate, lol.

And yeah, I will get with iancanton and post in the next couple of days any gameplay issues that need to be sorted out before you're given that stamp. Once you receive that stamp, the graphics CA's will post their recommendations, at which point your thread will be moved to Final Forge for the XML to be written and any small kinks to be worked out before going Beta. That's a very brief explanation of the Foundry process.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [May 26, '12] - Page 12

Postby VicFontaine on Thu May 31, 2012 8:27 pm

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:why is some cities in red while the others are blue.
i can't find the difference in the legend. all i see are medium cities are blue.
which to be clear, mississippi only has medium and small cities. :lol:


You blind cook. It is in the legend :D
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [May 26, '12] - Page 12

Postby koontz1973 on Thu May 31, 2012 9:58 pm

VicFontaine wrote:
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:why is some cities in red while the others are blue.
i can't find the difference in the legend. all i see are medium cities are blue.
which to be clear, mississippi only has medium and small cities. :lol:


You blind cook. It is in the legend :D

Where? All I can see is the blue cities in the legend and the capitols which seem to have a different symbol in the legend from what's on the board.

Here are some things for you to look into.

Increase the size of font in the legend by quite a bit. In some places it is hard to read. Some of the colours also need to be worked on (yellow bonus zone as this is imposable to read)
Have all symbols match (Map to legend)
Your flag is wrong. This is the right one.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [May 26, '12] - Page 12

Postby VicFontaine on Thu May 31, 2012 10:32 pm

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WILLIAMS5232 wrote:why is some cities in red while the others are blue.
i can't find the difference in the legend. all i see are medium cities are blue.
which to be clear, mississippi only has medium and small cities. :lol:


You blind cook. It is in the legend :D

Where? All I can see is the blue cities in the legend and the capitols which seem to have a different symbol in the legend from what's on the board.

Here are some things for you to look into.

Increase the size of font in the legend by quite a bit. In some places it is hard to read. Some of the colours also need to be worked on (yellow bonus zone as this is imposable to read)
Have all symbols match (Map to legend)
Your flag is wrong. This is the right one.
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Koontz, the flag is correct. It's a picture of a civil war soldier. It's a generic picture we're using as a watermark-backdrop. Remember, this is a map that includes culture and history. I wasn't trying to put the state flag but the state flower (still waiting for Vaughn to drop that in there, but it's entirely irrelevant to the gameplay, so we're going forward).

I don't know where the information went in the legend. At some point, it was in there. Now it isn't. Sorry, Williams, you were right (sort of... ;)).
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [May 26, '12] - Page 12

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:38 pm

But while you are waiting for nole to get back to you, here is the correct flag the troops fought under from this state.
1861 flag, raised when Mississippi left the Union.
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If you are going to do a map of Mississippi, then using the correct flag for that state would be good, yes?
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [May 26, '12] - Page 12

Postby VicFontaine on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:02 pm

koontz1973 wrote:But while you are waiting for nole to get back to you, here is the correct flag the troops fought under from this state.
1861 flag, raised when Mississippi left the Union.
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If you are going to do a map of Mississippi, then using the correct flag for that state would be good, yes?


The history of MS is part of the Confederacy—the flag shown as is, and as staying as part of the design. Why do I get the impression you're straining at gnats? I could also put up 100 other things that are so distinctly and uniquely Mississippi — my state — that only people like Williams, who are also from here, would recognize it. That defeats the purpose of having Mississippi history broadly appealing.

Moreover, there is not a single Mississippian I have ever met—no car I have ever seen—that flies the Sovereign State flag, either flag 1 or 2. We do not, except in sports, consider ourselves as historically sovereign, but as sovereign as a member of the Confederacy. Hence, the flag fits with the theme and the state.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map - [May 26, '12] - Page 12

Postby nolefan5311 on Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:25 pm

VIc,

I have a couple of suggestions on some changes before I can begin running the bonus spreadsheets because I'm a little confused on what territories are part of what bonuses: cities like Cleveland, Clarksdale, Canton, Yazoo City, Brookhaven...what bonuses are these a part of? They are obviously not medium sized cities or Capitals, but the font on those cities is different than the normal territories. It needs to be clarified a little.

Also, I suggest, for the interstate bonuses, to use the interstate symbol for ALL regions that are included in those bonuses. Take I20 for instance...I'm not sure if VIcksburg, Jackson, and Meridian are all included in that bonus (because I20 runs through all of those cities). Does I55 include Canton, Jackson, Brookhaven, and Hammond, LA? I can't even see the I59 route at all...is this notated anywhere? Honestly, other than the Natchez Trace Pkwy, I would suggest getting rid of the interstate bonuses completely. They aren't specific to Mississippi and I think they just add to the "clutter" and confusion of the bonus system. And Jackson appears to be included in all of them. I'm not saying you HAVE to get rid of them, but as is, it's very confusing.

The Steamboats I think should border the Fishing Boats, instead of just attacking them. This would facilitate movement across the map. Also, the legend uses the word "Steamships". For consistency, this needs to be changed to Steamboats.

The Appalachian Foothills...the only way to attack in and out of this region is Tupelo > Kosciusko? I know it's only a +1, but it's 8 regions. Was this intentional? If you add in the cultural treasure, it becomes a +2. Similarly, if I'm reading the impassables correctly, the only way into Red Clay Hills continent is via Canton, Kosciusko, Jackson, and Meridian? Seems awfully easy to control those bonuses with the chokepoints.

Those are just thoughts I have right now. Let me know how you want to proceed.
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