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Re: Alamo map [1/12/13] Pg16

Postby Seamus76 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:28 am

Congrats GH!!
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Re: Alamo map [1/12/13] Pg16

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:48 am

Well done GH on your second stamp. Now the hard slog starts with graphics. :twisted: Lets see an update and we can work from that.
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Re: Alamo map [1/12/13] Pg16

Postby Seamus76 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:05 pm

koontz1973 wrote:Well done GH on your second stamp. Now the hard slog starts with graphics. :twisted: Lets see an update and we can work from that.

Wow. :lol:
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Re: Alamo map [1/12/13] Pg16

Postby generalhead on Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:05 pm

:D Thank you guys so much could not have done it without you. My computer is back for now so this weekend graphics will be the word.
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Re: Alamo map [1/12/13] Pg16

Postby generalhead on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:41 am

Seamus76 wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:Well done GH on your second stamp. Now the hard slog starts with graphics. :twisted: Lets see an update and we can work from that.

Wow. :lol:
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Re: Alamo map [1/12/13] Pg16

Postby generalhead on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:46 am

Moved the sig
Changed the glows around the cannons that hit two territories
Changed the territory borders
Removed paper rope thing in the upper right legend
lowered the opacity of wording in the legend

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Need to reposition items in the upper right legend to fill it in more
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Re: Alamo map [1/20/13] Pg18

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:40 am

OK gh, time for the graphics. Do not get discouraged here as this is the time lots of things will be worked on and changed. Remember, not all of my ideas will work and others will have ideas as well. Please follow them but if you have a better option or you feel it is good enough now, then you need to say so.

Two things for you this time around.
Names.
    Region names are very large for the map. I understand the need to fill space but to have more name pixels than map pixels looks bad. Decrease the size of text to the same size as in the legend. You can them move names around so the 888s will fit on top or below.
Glows.
    Glows, I am not liking these at all. I know you have redone them a couple of times, but lets hope third time is the charm. You have three types on the map and that is 2 to many. Around names, bonuses and canons. The glows are bright, colours do not match the map and too large. Here are some suggestions.
  • Remove all glows from names apart from Generals.
  • Replace these with glows like you have for the chapel.
  • Glows should be the same colour as the backing. Just stronger. So if you have a green background like Santa Anna, the glow should be the same green for the bonus and for Santa Anna name.
  • Remove all cannon glows. Replace these with symbols on the barrel of the cannon to indicate which area it bombards. Take some inspiration from Trench Warfare map. See how small the targets and shells are. This should be the size for yours.

What this will give you overall is a map that does not looked swamped by black text and a map that is less confusing as the amount of glows is reduced. You may need to make your colours for the map itself different again. But like the Mexican army side, you went earthy but with a light dark route. Do the same for the Alamo but with greys and browns. So Travis is a dark brown, Crockett is a light brown, Bowie can be a dark grey. What ever works to get them looking different enough.

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Re: Alamo map [1/20/13] Pg18

Postby generalhead on Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:35 pm

I will work on this, it will take me a little while. I never get discouraged because every time I redo some thing I learn more about using gimp. Every time you make a suggestions my map keeps looking better and better. Thank for your hard work buddy.
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Re: Alamo map [1/20/13] Pg18

Postby RedBaron0 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:28 pm

the more you use your gfx program the better, there are plenty of good guides out there too, check youtube out! There is a wide margin for improvement here, but there is potential here!
My main gripe for the moment is that this map is really missing any sort of graphical representation of the well known facade of the Alamo:

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Re: Alamo map [1/20/13] Pg18

Postby generalhead on Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:44 am

RedBaron0 wrote:the more you use your gfx program the better, there are plenty of good guides out there too, check youtube out! There is a wide margin for improvement here, but there is potential here!
My main gripe for the moment is that this map is really missing any sort of graphical representation of the well known facade of the Alamo:


Thanks RB0. At a few differing times I did have the Alamo facade located in a few differing areas of the map. The best place I had it was the background
of the legends. Everywhere I installed the facade didn't look like it fit. I agree with you that it would be neat to have it somewhere, but when placed didn't look good. I will try again though; now that the map has progressed some Maybe it will work now.
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Re: Alamo map [1/20/13] Pg18

Postby RedBaron0 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:12 pm

Cool beans kiddo, get too it! A quick check confirmed my suspicions... your current map is a shade too big. Max size is 840x800, and you're a couple pixels over that at 843x800. I know its 3 pixels, but they gotta go, hate to see you get far into this only to have it be noticed later... 3 pixels can really make a ton of difference!!!
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Re: Alamo map [1/20/13] Pg18

Postby Zorban on Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:25 pm

I think the last couple comments on the most recent map were excellent, especially Koontz's. Knowing that it is too big, this might not work, but what about a banner of the image of the Alamo across the top. There is probably a wide, thin one out there that could be across the top. not sure if that would work, but might be worth a try.
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Re: Alamo map [1/20/13] Pg18

Postby generalhead on Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:48 pm

Zorban wrote:I think the last couple comments on the most recent map were excellent, especially Koontz's. Knowing that it is too big, this might not work, but what about a banner of the image of the Alamo across the top. There is probably a wide, thin one out there that could be across the top. not sure if that would work, but might be worth a try.
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Thanks my friend.

My good computer with my Alamo files is still gone and will be gone for another week. The computer I am using now has
a bad hard drive and is very hard to use. sorry for the delay of any updates. As soon as my computer is back in my possession I will get back to work.
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Re: Alamo map [1/20/13] Pg18

Postby RedBaron0 on Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:01 pm

It's cool kiddo, you have time before anything gets binned, take your time.
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Re: Alamo map [1/20/13] Pg18

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:12 pm

[Moved]

It would appear that development of this map has stalled. The map is moved to the Recycling Box and put into Vacation status for the next 6 months. If the mapmaker wants to continue with the map, then one of the Cartographer Assistants will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made. ;-)
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Alamo map [3/2/13] pg19

Postby generalhead on Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:17 am

Still have a lot of work to do but here is a quick update
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Re: Alamo map [2/3] Pg1/19

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:57 am

Back you go GH, will look at it later for you. But please use
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Re: Alamo map [2/3] Pg1/19

Postby Seamus76 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:01 pm

Glad to see you back on this one GH!!
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Re: Alamo map [2/3] Pg1/19

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:50 am

Size of names is now nice. You can keep these as they are. Good job.
Colours are also really nice for the ground.

Check your settings for the region names text. Some like Fairfax look nice, others like Bowie look slightly of. Do you have the same setting for these? Sig is in a nice place but is hard to read.

Go back and read the glows part again. Get this done and you should start seeing a look that works.
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Re: Alamo map [2/3] Pg1/19

Postby isaiah40 on Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:25 pm

One minor thing for now, you need to chop off 3px from the width to get the map to 840x800. Right now you are at 843x800. My suggestion is to chop it off the left side. I'll take a closer look at it later.
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Re: Alamo map [2/3] Pg1/19

Postby generalhead on Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:58 pm

isaiah40 wrote:One minor thing for now, you need to chop off 3px from the width to get the map to 840x800. Right now you are at 843x800. My suggestion is to chop it off the left side. I'll take a closer look at it later.


Yes sir, ty
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Re: Alamo map [2/3] Pg1/19

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:35 pm

Okay, now that I have taken a closer look, I have a few things that need to be taken care of:
1. The shadows must all go in the same direction, preferably, the same direction as you have for the generals. If you have a shadow around the wall, then that has to be the same as well.
2. The bridges are missing shadows
3. It is very hard to tell the difference of the colors on the convent, hospital and chapel on the playable area. Can you please adjust them accordingly.
4. For the cannons, you say that they bombard the whole region of the same color, but I don't see any color of the opposite region on the cannons. They all look the same to me.
5. The cannon on Banks needs to be blurred a bit.

This should keep you busy for a while ;)

Looking forward to your next update!
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Re: Alamo map [2/3] Pg1/19

Postby generalhead on Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:14 am

I think the size is ok now
I will keep playing around with the glows
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Re: Alamo map [2/3] Pg1/19

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:20 am

GH, glows for the regions are OK, but for the names, they are still way to big. Increase selection by 1 and then feather by 5.

I love the cannon balls, you are onto a winner their. Just get the target ones next to the names so players do not have to look for them.
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Re: Alamo map [2/3] Pg1/19

Postby generalhead on Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:40 am

koontz1973 wrote:GH, glows for the regions are OK, but for the names, they are still way to big. Increase selection by 1 and then feather by 5.

I love the cannon balls, you are onto a winner their. Just get the target ones next to the names so players do not have to look for them.


Thanks buddy. I will work on that tomorrow.
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Tournament Contribution (14) General Contribution (1)

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