[Abandoned] Massacre à Paris

[Funkyterrance]

Damn, it does get a little messy with the hard dotted lines like that doesn't it? Hmm...
What if it were ellipses instead of dotted lines? It is a difficult thing, cairns, I can see that now. On the one hand it is hard to tell some of the attack routes without notation but you also endanger the clean look of the map with such bold markings. I wonder if there is a middle-of-the-road option as far as boldness?

[cairnswk]

Damn, it does get a little messy with the hard dotted lines like that doesn't it? Hmm...
What if it were ellipses instead of dotted lines? It is a difficult thing, cairns, I can see that now. On the one hand it is hard to tell some of the attack routes without notation but you also endanger the clean look of the map with such bold markings. I wonder if there is a middle-of-the-road option as far as boldness?

FT, were u looking at the v11 draft on previous page? cos it's got no dotted lines on it!

[cairnswk]

OK, Version 11 complete with all symbols in place...and expanded explanation.
I wonder if this will calrify connections.

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And this is what is looks like with armies in place

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[Funkyterrance]

The black squares are nice, I'll have to admit. So all the black squares in each group can attack one another? If so, it's really effective. I think you've nailed it cairns with that little extra room for explanation in the legend. Not to mention the map still looks pretty darn handsome.
Well Done.

[Leehar]

Idk, the connections were my first worry as well.

how can I tell if HF can attack CH etc (there's nothing between them)
H37 can attack both vertically and horizontally? :s

And also, I'm not sure if I'm reading it right but does the guard hit the building first, then the person inside? Any way to clarify that?

[cairnswk]

Idk, the connections were my first worry as well.
how can I tell if HF can attack CH etc (there's nothing between them)

because you must read the legend
which shows in the diagram and states that all duelers can assault their opponent in immiediate vicinity.
given that CF is diagonally in vicinity of HF, they border each other.

H37 can attack both vertically and horizontally? :s

yes, H37 has across borders with C35 and C25, and assaults c37 also

And also, I'm not sure if I'm reading it right but does the guard hit the building first, then the person inside? Any way to clarify that?

Yes i'm sure i can do that, any suggestions as to the wording?

[Leehar]

Yeah, it's hard to conceive what immediate vicinity is defined as, but I guess I must be grateful bob will show all the connections!

For H37, then wouldn't a triangle be better? Tho I guess the C25 border wouldn't be as confirmed.

Wording: Only Guards can attack buildings and only buildings can attack personages within (whoever they are? Generals, Religious figureheads, revolutionaries etc)

[Industrial Helix]

I'm no expert, but I do know a little French and I'm not sure the title is totally correct. In my crappy understanding I read the translation as "Slaughter to Paris" but I think you're aiming for "Slaughter of Paris" or "Slaughter in Paris." which based on my limited knowledge and no practical experience, should be Massacre de Paris" or "Massacre dans Paris." But again I'm no expert and probably don;t know what I'm talking about, but it might be worth looking into.

[cairnswk]

I'm no expert, but I do know a little French and I'm not sure the title is totally correct. In my crappy understanding I read the translation as "Slaughter to Paris" but I think you're aiming for "Slaughter of Paris" or "Slaughter in Paris." which based on my limited knowledge and no practical experience, should be Massacre de Paris" or "Massacre dans Paris." But again I'm no expert and probably don;t know what I'm talking about, but it might be worth looking into.

Thanks IH.
yes it is technically wrong.
it should be Le Massacre de Paris
change next update.

[cairnswk]

Yeah, it's hard to conceive what immediate vicinity is defined as, but I guess I must be grateful bob will show all the connections!

even though there is a diagram to show what immediate vicinity means...

For H37, then wouldn't a triangle be better? Tho I guess the C25 border wouldn't be as confirmed.

you answewed your own question.

Wording: Only Guards can attack buildings and only buildings can attack personages within (whoever they are? Generals, Religious figureheads, revolutionaries etc)

Possible...i'll reflect on it.

[Funkyterrance]

When can we play it?

[cairnswk]

When can we play it?

Hehe...about 12 months away yet FT...you know the pace...appreciate your enthusiasm though.

[nolefan5311]

Honestly cairns, and I'm not trying to be slick or anything here, but I'm having a tough time wrapping my head around this one. I've looked at it, taken a day or two break, come back to look at it again, and I've done this for the better part of two weeks, and I'm still struggling to understand what's going on. The attack routes are just too vague for me.

[cairnswk]

Honestly cairns, and I'm not trying to be slick or anything here, but I'm having a tough time wrapping my head around this one. I've looked at it, taken a day or two break, come back to look at it again, and I've done this for the better part of two weeks, and I'm still struggling to understand what's going on. The attack routes are just too vague for me.

OH dear! it's a simple matter of attacking the man next to you i.e. in the immediate vicinity.

[cairnswk]

And this is also way overdue for recycle bin

[nolefan5311]

Moved

Per mapmakers request. If the mapmaker wants to continue with the map, then one of the Cartography Assistants will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made.

[cairnswk]

Version 12...an update

I changed the title and top frames a fraction, to give more eye-space there, just to keep this out of the bin.

Notice that the xml person is empty, so whoever wants to do this and hasn't done xml before i.e. a newbie xml person, can have the job.
This is not a complicated map for the xml process.
Please PM me with details if you want this xml job. I will also guide the person as much as possible.

[cairnswk]

Seems nobody wants to learn xml or earn some premium

[sempaispellcheck]

Seems nobody wants to learn xml or earn some premium

I'm in! Sorry I didn't see this before.
sempai

[cairnswk]

Seems nobody wants to learn xml or earn some premium

I'm in! Sorry I didn't see this before.
sempai

Thanks, i'll add your name to the map

[cairnswk]

OK, there was lots of previous discussion some months back about gameplay and the visisbility of component and borders...etc

Can we make a move on finalising gameplay please?

[sempaispellcheck]

Attached is my first draft of the XML for V12.

Unfortunately, Gilligan (our resident XML expert) has informed me that there is no such thing as conditional bonuses autodeploy (EDIT), so the doubled autodeploy is not going to happen.

Also, since you haven't yet responded to my PMs (it hasn't been that long, but I'm not the world's most patient person), I'll post my notes and questions here to be sure you see them.

Notes:
Henry de Navarre should be Henri de Navarre.
The word is "Maisons," not "Masions" - it's right in the legend, but not on the map itself.
Bottom right corner - there should be a space between the comma and the "f" in "fences."
There should be an accent on the first lowercase "e" in "Entrée."
Legend at right - there should be space between "with" and "any" in "with any Huguenot." - though this will probably be deleted anyway, since it is impossible to code with current XML.
Legend should say H16 borders H26, not H18.
Dueler C35 still has an asterisk - please remove that, since it no longer means anything.

Question:
What (if any) regions do you want to start neutral (besides the buildings and the royals)? How many neutrals should they start with? Do you want any of them to be killers?

sempai

[Gilligan]

Well you can do conditional bonuses, just not auto deploys.

[cairnswk]

Attached is my first draft of the XML for V12.

Unfortunately, Gilligan (our resident XML expert) has informed me that there is no such thing as conditional bonuses autodeploy (EDIT), so the doubled autodeploy is not going to happen.

Well you can do conditional bonuses, just not auto deploys.

OK, we'll do conditional bonus....
each dueler is still +1 autodeploy.

but the new bonus is:
Henri de Navarre with Huguenot group
or Charles IX with Catholique group
from each bonus region
doubles the bonus

Notes:
Henry de Navarre should be Henri de Navarre.
The word is "Maisons," not "Masions" - it's right in the legend, but not on the map itself.
Bottom right corner - there should be a space between the comma and the "f" in "fences."
There should be an accent on the first lowercase "e" in "Entrée."
Legend at right - there should be space between "with" and "any" in "with any Huguenot." - though this will probably be deleted anyway, since it is impossible to code with current XML.
Legend should say H16 borders H26, not H18.
Dueler C35 still has an asterisk - please remove that, since it no longer means anything.

Fixed.

Question:
What (if any) regions do you want to start neutral (besides the buildings and the royals)? How many neutrals should they start with? Do you want any of them to be killers?sempai

Neutrals are thus marked on the map - even temporarily - so please beware they may change
I hadn't planned any to be killers, nor have i heard anyone argu for that.

Version 13.