[Abandoned] - Medieval Europe

[Balsiefen]

Balsiefen's first sketch map.

Telvania's neat map-bolder colours


Telvania's neat map-dulled down colours


101 territories
15 Kingdoms
16 Continents

The map uses features which are not currently installed on CC but i am hoping to push 'em through.

Each player starts with one kingdom of four territories (those outlined in a coloured boarder on the sketch or have a background flag in neat). They are then given a unique mission for each faction (for instance england's might be to conquer britain and france, and elimenate the kingdoms of france and denmark) The kingdom that eliminates all opponents or completes its mission first wins.-if this proves to be impossable we may make it without. (though i hope not)

Capitals will have units deployed on them each turn, i'm not yet sure about other territs.

Kingdoms

England
Wessex-capital
Normandy
Mercia
Northumbria

France
Ile de France-capital
Champagne
Anjou
Toulouse

Spain
Castille-capital
Leon
Aragon
Valencia

The Holy Roman Empire
Francona-capital
Bavaria
Saxony
Swabia

Milan
Milan-capital
Genoa
Tuscany
Corsica

Republic of Venice
Venice-capital
Croatia
Crete
Cyprus

Sicily
Sicily-Capital
Naples
Sardinia
Calabria

Denmark(white)
Denmark-capital
Norway
Tonsberg
Gothland

Poland
West Poland-capital
East Poland
Prussia
Pomerania

Hungary
North Hungary-capital
South Hungary
Carpathia
Wallachia

Russia
Novgorod-capital
Muscovy
Ryazan
Cheringov

Byzantine Empire
Constantinople-capital
Greece
Macedonia
Nicaea

Turkey
Edessa-capital
Rum
Armenia
Lesser Armenia

Egypt
Egypt-capital
Siani
Palestine
Tripoli

Almohad Empire
Morocco-capital
Algeria
Cordoba
Granada

[Balsiefen]

Uhm, bump?

[cena-rules]

I really likr the map. But for god sake do something about the colours

then Ill talk about gameplay

make them block colours to sstart with so we can do gameplay and then get fancy

[Unit_2]

wow! thats sweet.

[Balsiefen]

I really likr the map. But for god sake do something about the colours

then Ill talk about gameplay

make them block colours to sstart with so we can do gameplay and then get fancy

Sorry but what do you mean by block colours?

[AndyDufresne]

One the gripes about our current "Europe" map...is that it has North Africa and the Near East/Middle East. Just letting you know.


--Andy

[Coleman]

I really likr the map. But for god sake do something about the colours

then Ill talk about gameplay

make them block colours to sstart with so we can do gameplay and then get fancy

While I disagree with his similar post in British Isles, I agree here. The continent colors need to be more prominent. You could water mark in the flags if you want, but right now it burns my eyes.

[militant]

I really likr the map. But for god sake do something about the colours

then Ill talk about gameplay

make them block colours to sstart with so we can do gameplay and then get fancy

Sorry but what do you mean by block colours?

He means that you should fill the countries with a single colour for each continent so it is easy to look at and remove the pictures or symbols.I agree with cena because at the moment your sketch is easier to read than your neat copy.

[Telvannia]

I really likr the map. But for god sake do something about the colours

then Ill talk about gameplay

make them block colours to sstart with so we can do gameplay and then get fancy

Sorry but what do you mean by block colours?

He means that you should fill the countries with a single colour for each continent so it is easy to look at and remove the pictures or symbols.I agree with cena because at the moment your sketch is easier to read than your neat copy.

Thing is the places with coats of arms, are different to the territories filled with plain colours. So the coats of arms are there to differentiate between the territories.

[militant]

I really likr the map. But for god sake do something about the colours

then Ill talk about gameplay

make them block colours to sstart with so we can do gameplay and then get fancy

While I disagree with his similar post in British Isles, I agree here. The continent colors need to be more prominent. You could water mark in the flags if you want, but right now it burns my eyes.

They are still hard on the eyes

[Qwert]

OK,where is Serbian Empire?!?

[Unit_2]

One the gripes about our current "Europe" map...is that it as North Africa and the Near East/Middle East. Just letting you know.


--Andy

Andy is right, though i think you just need to take africa.

[Balsiefen]

OK,where is Serbian Empire?!?

between macedonia and croatia.

One the gripes about our current "Europe" map...is that it as North Africa and the Near East/Middle East. Just letting you know.


--Andy

Andy is right, though i think you just need to take africa.

I am aware of that but i am unsure how to rename it. I am happy with the areas i have. Any suggestions?

[Balsiefen]

I really likr the map. But for god sake do something about the colours

then Ill talk about gameplay

make them block colours to sstart with so we can do gameplay and then get fancy

Sorry but what do you mean by block colours?

He means that you should fill the countries with a single colour for each continent so it is easy to look at and remove the pictures or symbols.I agree with cena because at the moment your sketch is easier to read than your neat copy.

Thing is the places with coats of arms, are different to the territories filled with plain colours. So the coats of arms are there to differentiate between the territories.

Try a version removing the brown land background or making it white. see how that looks.

[Qwert]

Can you tell me perod that these map present.then i can help you with Serbian Empire.

[Skittles!]

Are those territories from a game or something, say, Medieval Total War?

[Balsiefen]

Are those territories from a game or something, say, Medieval Total War?

yes, that was one of my scources as well as a univercity of texas map which i will try to find

[Balsiefen]

For my sources i used this map set in 1097 and also the possibly less accurate Medieval total war and medieval 2 total war. being set around 1080 For gameplay reasons i had to make several compromises between tha maps, splitting milan as its own faction and making the HRE smaller (it was never really more than a rough agreement of peetty kingdoms so the emperor would never have true power over all the HRE. I also had to make venitian territories much larger as their coastal cities, despite being powerfull and important, are too small to make territories of. The turkish and byzantine empires (due to all my scources differing wildly over how much each control with the texas map showing the turks having all of turkey, med 1 showing the byzantines holding most of turkey and med 2 showing a rough balence in between) have been resized to best suit playability.

Finally qwert, all my scources show no serbian empire any larger than what i have it as. Its likely that my map is set before its rise or after its fall.

[Qwert]

No problem i will find some maps and present to you

[Balsiefen]

No problem i will find some maps and present to you

Thanks that could be useful. Try to get dates for the maps though. (around 1080 is best)

[tim02]

Althought this is yet another Europe map who can complain?
Europe is such a entresting continent that there not really repeating game play.
I love the beginning idea... if it was possible I would like it better if you could choose your kingdom, and I think there should be a higher neutral count on the capital of the neutral kingdoms.

[tim02]

Are those territories from a game or something, say, Medieval Total War?

yes, that was one of my scources as well as a univercity of texas map which i will try to find

That game is one of the only things I do beyond CC Great game, I kind of guest you had played due to the factions.

The "kingdoms" expansion pack is also very good.

I LOVE THIS MAP!

[Balsiefen]

Thanks tim , I got the idea when playing a poland campaign on med 2. And i like both your ideas, although choosing your kingdom is unlikely to get into the xml

[sd031091]

this looks like a well thought out map. I have a few ideas to possibly expand gameplay. First of all, there's the color issue. I suggest much lighter inside borders and thicker outside borders for countries. That way you could leave the flags (or make them a bit fainter) and still have the countries well defined. Also I think Venice should be able to bombard Constantinople (which Crusade was that again? 4?) Lastly I think there should be more sea routes. Other than that, I'm stumped. You seem to have it all there already.

[tim02]

this looks like a well thought out map. I have a few ideas to possibly expand gameplay. First of all, there's the color issue. I suggest much lighter inside borders and thicker outside borders for countries. That way you could leave the flags (or make them a bit fainter) and still have the countries well defined. Also I think Venice should be able to bombard Constantinople (which Crusade was that again? 4?) Lastly I think there should be more sea routes. Other than that, I'm stumped. You seem to have it all there already.

oh and don't forget that some factions did crusades against the moors!


And some places in Spain should also be able to bombard the moors (the reqonquista!)

and last but not least it should be 1way attack not bombard, in the crusades they kept all the places after conquer.