[Abandoned] - Scandinavia

[Lufsen75]

Good. I tried to make such a map but you did it. If possible can you put in Iceland and faery Islands? Not nessery though

[kAlz]

Is this map still in progress? If any design/name/tweaking map help is needed ill gladly help, i can code or have drawing in PS skills.

[CoolC]

Yes of course it's still in progress. I'm just waiting for feedback or to have it moved to the next forum... I've implemented all possible suggestions this far and it fullfills all criteria mentioned in the sticky posts as far as I can see. I'm unsure what more can be done. Of course there are lots of small visual improvemetns to be done, but that's for a later stage.

[kAlz]

Lets hope it gets moved soon

[sam_levi_11]

i think the abandoned one has the rght conts and terits but this one looks better. expand the map to include all of denmark and iceland.

[snufkin]

Wrong. You can either use the term culturally or geographically.

Culturally you are right in that Finland is not included, but Iceland is generally not included either. Geographically scandinavia consist of Norway, Sweden and northern Finland - Denmark and Iceland not included. I used the name Scandinavia as a middle road to both incorporate the cultural and geographical parts but mostly because it's the most common term around the world. "The nordics" is mostly used by us nordics ourselves (i'm a swede if anyone wonders)

Never mind, let´s go with what the rest of the world mistakenly call Scandinavia.. and only norway and sweden would be a terrible map anyway.. Just make it, I wanna play!
and you are correct in that a small part of the scandic mountains are in Finland..
(guess I´m 100% scandinavian after all- I´m a swede/norwegian/finn )

you might want to make the borders more opaque - some people get annoyed if they can´t identify all borders within 2 secs..

Troms, especially the northern part, is considered a main sami/laponia area so I think it should be included in that bonus group.

[CoolC]

(guess I´m 100% scandinavian after all- I´m a swede/norwegian/finn )

Congrats

you might want to make the borders more opaque - some people get annoyed if they can´t identify all borders within 2 secs..

I thought they were pretty clear after my last improvement but I can see now that atleast some is a bit poor. Will improve them further for the next version.

Troms, especially the northern part, is considered a main sami/laponia area so I think it should be included in that bonus group.

Hmm, the idea was to have one country from each continent but maybe I can expand a bit...

[Coleman]

After next version I expect to move this out of Map Ideas. Looking forward to it.

[hatchman]

The map on page 1 is gorgeous! Don't abandon this one.

[CoolC]

About revision 4

During the making of next revision I was faced with a tough decision: should I include Iceland or not? I made an attempt but I am not sure if it's good or bad for the map, I like it better (atleast visually) without Iceland but since several ppl have been wishing for it I will start a new poll running for 6 days that will decide the fate of this map. /edit/ No, appearently I cannot change the poll so either we wait for a mod to do it or we just count the vote in the thread.

If Iceland is included I have thought of making just 2 or 3 countries there and either include it as subcontinent of Denmark or give it +1 in bonus. Another option could be to not have a bonus for Iceland alone but have it as an additional bonus if you already have another subcontinent. We could have it either (as currently) all countries on Iceland attackable from a single country in norway, or make whole iceland attackable by everyone else? Could be interesting...

Besides the case of Iceland or not, these are the changes made:

- army shadows are more translucent
- borders are more opaque
- a few names are slightly moved for better visability
- sea routes are remade to be better looking
- sea route between norway and denmark changed, to give norway another country to defend
- bonuses are changed to more closly follow the recommendations in the spreadsheets.

Regarding the bonuses i want to explain further: the spreadsheets have no concept of sub-continents so I have used all subcontinents as sovereign ones, then added a few extra armiies (besides the sum of the parts) to those "whole continents" that deserves it. Finland have no extra bonus since it already has a "bonus" in the fact there is only 2 countries to defend once you have the whole continent. I realise it may seem excessive to give sweden 20 but consider how insanely difficult it's going to be to get the whole continent. It''s very hard to get asia in classic, now this is several orders of magnitude harder, i think you deserve a big bonus if you manage to pull that off

[Coleman]

Sorry, when you want a poll removed send me or someone else in cartos a pm.

Is this map worth finishing?

Yes! Make both summer and winter! 16% [ 4 ]
Yes! But just make the summer one 33% [ 8 ]
Yes, but scrap the work and do the winter version instead 8% [ 2 ]
Maybe, with lot more work... 33% [ 8 ]
No, this sucks. 8% [ 2 ]

Total Votes : 24

[Coleman]

Regarding the bonuses i want to explain further: the spreadsheets have no concept of sub-continents so I have used all subcontinents as sovereign ones, then added a few extra armiies (besides the sum of the parts) to those "whole continents" that deserves it. Finland have no extra bonus since it already has a "bonus" in the fact there is only 2 countries to defend once you have the whole continent. I realise it may seem excessive to give sweden 20 but consider how insanely difficult it's going to be to get the whole continent. It''s very hard to get asia in classic, now this is several orders of magnitude harder, i think you deserve a big bonus if you manage to pull that off

In the xml a continent is formed with either territories or continents inside it.

So for the whole continent you could form it with all the sub continents and then override them setting the game log to read as something like "received x for holding all of Finland".

If that makes sense.

[CoolC]

Thanks Coleman. I have created a new poll now running for 7 days,

Regarding the XML I think i know what you mean but I haven't started with the actual XML yet, I just ment the calculation for number of armies in bonus,

[jakejake]

sorry for being such a thick idiot, but when people talk about making a winter/summer version of a map, what do they mean? is it just the way it looks or gameplay or something else?

[sam_levi_11]

i say make 1 terit of iceland accesable from 1 place in norway, 1 from 1 place in sweeden and 1 place in finland and 1 in denmark. so that each country attacks one part of iceland.

also the bottom looks scruffy, can u include all of denmark not just parts