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Postby iancanton on Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:06 am

InkL0sed wrote:
iancanton wrote:bangladesh splits neatly into four real (not made-up) states: khulna west of the river, rajshahi in the north-east, chittagong in the south-east and dhaka in the central east, straddiling the river.


I'm not crazy about that idea – I'm trying to keep the map clean – but if others agree with you, I'll see what I can do.


i presume u're saying that u don't want to use an inset map, which i understand: point accepted.

bangladesh, bhutan, nepal and sri lanka are independent countries recognised by the united nations. they do not belong to any part of india. equally, delhi (which ought to be called uttarakhand), uttar pradesh and bihar are part of india and do not belong to nepal. people are liable to become very upset if u start giving away bits, or even all, of their countries (see europe map discussion!).

we can solve this by renaming the "nepal" continent as "minor powers" (or, if u prefer, "independent states"), consisting of nepal, bhutan, bangladesh and sri lanka. because none of these countries border each other, i suggest a bonus of +1 for holding any three of the minor powers and a total of +4 for holding all of them.

join east and west nepal into one territory, since such a division does not exist. if we need an additional territory, then split himachal into two territories, called himachal pradesh and indian punjab. indian punjab borders pakistani punjab (which is "punjab" on our map), himachal pradesh, haryana, rajasthan and jammu and kashmir (which is "kashmir" on our map). make jammu and kashmir part of both the northern india and pakistan bonus, as both countries claim kashmir as their own.

the revised northern india will be himachal pradesh, indian punjab, uttarakhand, uttar pradesh, haryana and the disputed territory of jammu and kashmir.

http://www.mapsofindia.com/northern-india-map.html

eastern india can then be orissa, jharkhand, bihar, west bengal and assam (plus maybe chhattisgarh, depending on gameplay).

http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/east/east.htm

ian. :)
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Postby snufkin on Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:31 pm

or you can just call the blue continent "northern himalaya" or something..

and most of nepal and half of pakistan and bhutan is outside the indian tectonic plate so technically not even in the indian subcontinent..

I don´t think you should sweat it too much.. it just gets ridiculous really fast if you want to be 100% untouchable (excuse the really bad pun! sry)
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Postby InkL0sed on Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:05 pm

Alright guys, I got a lot to think about, and a lot to do.

Next update won't be soon because of that, but expect a lot of changes.

Rest assured I'm still working on this.

EDIT: Also, I agree that Nepal is not a good name for that continent. If everything else remained the same, what would be the best name for it?

I'm thinking either Ganges, Himalayas, or Northern India (which would probably make what I'm calling Northern India right now something like Jammu and Kasmir or Disputed Territories. Which I don't like so much because it includes more than that, but it's not the end of the world).
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Postby InkL0sed on Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:14 pm

OK, looks like I'm eating my own words with this update.

Anyway, here it is:
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Changes:
-Changed font color, to contrast with the borders
-Increased font size by 1 point
-Changed Southern India's color to a shade of blue because the font became illegible there
-Redrew borders
-Changed out-of-play area again. This time I added another layer with the same texture as the water, and also a crayon-texture, and then made all three textures opaque. I rather like this blend.
-Color-coded legend
-Added a mini-map
-Added Haryana into Himalayas for better gameplay.
-Bonuses changed because of this

Questions:
-What do you think of the colors? Also, why are they duller than they look on my desktop (even in png format)?
-Are the borders improved? Do you like the line for the coast?
-Is a connecting line between Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadul necessary?
-Thoughts on bonuses (specifically East India and Central India)?
-What should I name the purple continent (what is now Himalaya and what was Nepal in previous versions)?
-Is it clear that West Bengal is a single territory?
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Postby InkL0sed on Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:22 pm

Well, this map is slowly falling down on the Ideas page, due to the lack of comments.

Rather than a bump, I have a new version:

Version 7:
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Changes:
-Fixed pixelation in the borders between the mountains/non-playing area and the map itself.
-Army circles get a texture, and reduced opacity
-Other minor tidy-upping

No comments of my own. You guys make them. :)
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Postby Kaplowitz on Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:40 pm

mini map is pixely, and the bonuses arent the same.
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Postby InkL0sed on Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:43 pm

Kaplowitz wrote:mini map is pixely, and the bonuses arent the same.


D'oh #-o

Don't trust the mini-map's bonuses.

As for the pixelation... maybe I can blur it a little.
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Postby whitestazn88 on Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:20 pm

i still think the legend can be made bigger...
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Postby InkL0sed on Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:40 pm

whitestazn88 wrote:i still think the legend can be made bigger...


Will do,
If that is in fact true
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Postby Coleman on Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:19 pm

I think it is. Maybe find a font that is wider but not too much taller.

I don't like you army circles. I'd prefer a uniform color form them rather then that effect you did. I guess what I'm saying is I like version 6's circles better.

After next update I'll probably release you into the wild (aka Main Foundry).
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Postby InkL0sed on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:41 am

awesome; I have another update coming up. That photoshop guide in the foundry discussion has helped a lot.

Do you think a bevel effect on the army circles (which I added before you commented) would look good?

I'm also thinking of adding a poll next update to decide on how the army circles should look.
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Postby InkL0sed on Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:06 pm

Version 8:
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Changes:

-added a pop-up effect and shadows to the army circles
-increased legend size
-added a small glow to text and water
-blurred the mini-map

I think that's everything.
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Postby Ogrecrusher on Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:15 pm

Maybe this issue is for the main foundry, but Delhi is in the wrong place.
http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/map-of-india.gif

You can see on this map, Delhi is a tiny province between Haryana and Uttar Pradesh.
What you have Labelled as Delhi is in fact Uttaranchal.
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Postby InkL0sed on Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:16 pm

Ogrecrusher wrote:Maybe this issue is for the main foundry, but Delhi is in the wrong place.
http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/map-of-india.gif

You can see on this map, Delhi is a tiny province between Haryana and Uttar Pradesh.
What you have Labelled as Delhi is in fact Uttaranchal.


I originally thought Uttaranchal would be too long a name, so I changed it to Delhi. I'm not so sure it's that impossible anymore, but is it honestly such a big deal? Classic is much more inaccurate than this map.
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Postby Kaplowitz on Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:19 pm

I think you should put a shadow on the land over the water.

Like this but cleaner:
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I think it just looks too flat right now.
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Postby whitestazn88 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:49 am

im sorry i keep bringing it up, but the legend

its a good size now, but i can hardly read it and i have 20/20 vision. the background behind the fact that the text has a glare effect on it is not good imo. possibly put it in a box w/ a background?
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Postby Ogrecrusher on Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:08 pm

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Ogrecrusher wrote:Maybe this issue is for the main foundry, but Delhi is in the wrong place.
http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/map-of-india.gif

You can see on this map, Delhi is a tiny province between Haryana and Uttar Pradesh.
What you have Labelled as Delhi is in fact Uttaranchal.


I originally thought Uttaranchal would be too long a name, so I changed it to Delhi. I'm not so sure it's that impossible anymore, but is it honestly such a big deal? Classic is much more inaccurate than this map.


I think it's a problem when you move the capital city to some random region. I think accuracy is important unless there are good gameplay or other reasons. I don't think laziness to change it or whatever is a good reason, heh :D

Sure Classic is Inaccurate, but at least the regions are in the right place. Merging 2 regions and then calling it by the name of one is fine, but what you've done is like merging Mongolia and China, calling that China, which is fine, but then renaming Japan as Mongolia, which is not.

If you want Delhi as its own region, why not rename the Haryana one as Delhi, at least that actually covers the land that Delhi is on.

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Postby InkL0sed on Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:20 pm

I was under the impression that Delhi was in Uttaranchal, but I guess I was mistaken. I'll find a better name.
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Postby Ogrecrusher on Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:29 pm

InkL0sed wrote:I was under the impression that Delhi was in Uttaranchal, but I guess I was mistaken. I'll find a better name.


Yeah, the link I gave (maybe the same pitcure you used?) is a little misleading on first glace. This map shows it better.
http://www.avert.org/media/images/india-map.gif
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Postby InkL0sed on Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:40 pm

Version 9:
I know it's been a while, but here it is.
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Changes:
-Made the image "pop" a little more, with a little help from the Inner Shadow layer setting
-Set the mini-map to Dissolve, in an attempt to make it look like it is dissolving into the background
-Changed Delhi to Uttaranchal

Comments? Am I moving now?
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Postby Skittles! on Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:16 am

Are you planning to put a background behind the legend because I'm, and maybe others, finding it very hard to read "Northern India" with the brown dead-land.
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Postby InkL0sed on Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:21 pm

Gosh, so many complaints about the legend! I don't know how to win with you guys :P

Skittles!, Coleman said he preferred the lack of a background. Of course, the one that I had was horrible. Still, I agree with him. Maybe I can change the color of Northern India? The problem is that the colors are a little dulled when I post them...
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Postby jnd94 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:43 pm

maybe you should put an image where the blue water is. May spice it up. Other than that, looks awesome!
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Postby InkL0sed on Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:47 pm

jnd94 wrote:maybe you should put an image where the blue water is. May spice it up. Other than that, looks awesome!


Thanks. I generally don't like images and whatnot, but I'm up for anything that works. What do you suggest? A picture of Ghandi perhaps? I like that idea because he was opposed to the Pakistan-India split.
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Postby Sir. Ricco on Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:28 pm

I really don't like the pink. The other colors are great. The area outside the map needs more work. I like the water.
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