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Postby whitestazn88 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:49 am

im sorry i keep bringing it up, but the legend

its a good size now, but i can hardly read it and i have 20/20 vision. the background behind the fact that the text has a glare effect on it is not good imo. possibly put it in a box w/ a background?
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Postby Ogrecrusher on Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:08 pm

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Ogrecrusher wrote:Maybe this issue is for the main foundry, but Delhi is in the wrong place.
http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/map-of-india.gif

You can see on this map, Delhi is a tiny province between Haryana and Uttar Pradesh.
What you have Labelled as Delhi is in fact Uttaranchal.


I originally thought Uttaranchal would be too long a name, so I changed it to Delhi. I'm not so sure it's that impossible anymore, but is it honestly such a big deal? Classic is much more inaccurate than this map.


I think it's a problem when you move the capital city to some random region. I think accuracy is important unless there are good gameplay or other reasons. I don't think laziness to change it or whatever is a good reason, heh :D

Sure Classic is Inaccurate, but at least the regions are in the right place. Merging 2 regions and then calling it by the name of one is fine, but what you've done is like merging Mongolia and China, calling that China, which is fine, but then renaming Japan as Mongolia, which is not.

If you want Delhi as its own region, why not rename the Haryana one as Delhi, at least that actually covers the land that Delhi is on.

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Postby InkL0sed on Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:20 pm

I was under the impression that Delhi was in Uttaranchal, but I guess I was mistaken. I'll find a better name.
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Postby Ogrecrusher on Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:29 pm

InkL0sed wrote:I was under the impression that Delhi was in Uttaranchal, but I guess I was mistaken. I'll find a better name.


Yeah, the link I gave (maybe the same pitcure you used?) is a little misleading on first glace. This map shows it better.
http://www.avert.org/media/images/india-map.gif
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Postby InkL0sed on Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:40 pm

Version 9:
I know it's been a while, but here it is.
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Changes:
-Made the image "pop" a little more, with a little help from the Inner Shadow layer setting
-Set the mini-map to Dissolve, in an attempt to make it look like it is dissolving into the background
-Changed Delhi to Uttaranchal

Comments? Am I moving now?
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Postby Skittles! on Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:16 am

Are you planning to put a background behind the legend because I'm, and maybe others, finding it very hard to read "Northern India" with the brown dead-land.
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Postby InkL0sed on Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:21 pm

Gosh, so many complaints about the legend! I don't know how to win with you guys :P

Skittles!, Coleman said he preferred the lack of a background. Of course, the one that I had was horrible. Still, I agree with him. Maybe I can change the color of Northern India? The problem is that the colors are a little dulled when I post them...
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Postby jnd94 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:43 pm

maybe you should put an image where the blue water is. May spice it up. Other than that, looks awesome!
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Postby InkL0sed on Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:47 pm

jnd94 wrote:maybe you should put an image where the blue water is. May spice it up. Other than that, looks awesome!


Thanks. I generally don't like images and whatnot, but I'm up for anything that works. What do you suggest? A picture of Ghandi perhaps? I like that idea because he was opposed to the Pakistan-India split.
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Postby Sir. Ricco on Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:28 pm

I really don't like the pink. The other colors are great. The area outside the map needs more work. I like the water.
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Postby laci_mae on Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:47 pm

Sir. Ricco wrote:I really don't like the pink. The other colors are great. The area outside the map needs more work. I like the water.


I like the pink and blue best. Colors are going to be a personal preference though.

I believe a flag might be in order, as well as a picture of Ghandi.

The rivers could stand a graphical update. I suggest making them thinner and more realistic.

Finally, there seems to be a circle missing in Eastern India. I'm not sure what the name of that territory is either.

Keep up the good work.

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Postby Skittles! on Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:02 am

InkL0sed wrote:Gosh, so many complaints about the legend! I don't know how to win with you guys :P

Skittles!, Coleman said he preferred the lack of a background. Of course, the one that I had was horrible. Still, I agree with him. Maybe I can change the color of Northern India? The problem is that the colors are a little dulled when I post them...

I'm just stating the it's hard to read the blue of Northern India to the brown of the dead-land. It leaves an awful shade behind it which reflects the words so much it's hard to read.
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Postby InkL0sed on Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:34 pm

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Sir. Ricco wrote:I really don't like the pink. The other colors are great. The area outside the map needs more work. I like the water.


I like the pink and blue best. Colors are going to be a personal preference though.

I believe a flag might be in order, as well as a picture of Ghandi.

The rivers could stand a graphical update. I suggest making them thinner and more realistic.

Finally, there seems to be a circle missing in Eastern India. I'm not sure what the name of that territory is either.

Keep up the good work.

LMR


I really hate that river as well, I'll redo it.

The problem with a flag and Ghandi is that the totally biases India. This is, after all, more a map of a geographical region than a political one, hence the name Indian Subcontinent. So maybe I could do all the countries' flags, and maybe Ghandi will work despite what I just said, but I'd like others' opinions on that.

The "missing circle" is not in fact missing. That area you see is part of West Bengal. I've been waiting on comments about that. How do you think I can make it clearer that the river does not split the territory in two?

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InkL0sed wrote:Gosh, so many complaints about the legend! I don't know how to win with you guys Razz


Skittles!, Coleman said he preferred the lack of a background. Of course, the one that I had was horrible. Still, I agree with him. Maybe I can change the color of Northern India? The problem is that the colors are a little dulled when I post them...

I'm just stating the it's hard to read the blue of Northern India to the brown of the dead-land. It leaves an awful shade behind it which reflects the words so much it's hard to read.


I understand. I'll try to find a solution. The only thing is I don't know how well the colors will translate. They are all much more vibrant on my desktop than on the Internet.
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Postby InkL0sed on Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:07 pm

Version 10:

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Changes:
-Improved the river
-Changed the path of the river in an attempt to make West Bengal more clearly one territory
-Added a title
-Played with the legend colors... again
-Lessened the shadows in some places
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Postby InkL0sed on Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:36 pm

Coleman wrote:I think it is. Maybe find a font that is wider but not too much taller.

I don't like you army circles. I'd prefer a uniform color form them rather then that effect you did. I guess what I'm saying is I like version 6's circles better.

After next update I'll probably release you into the wild (aka Main Foundry).


I've released three versions since you said this, Coleman. Methinks you have not been looking at this thread at all.
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Postby Risktaker17 on Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:54 pm

why is northern india worth less than the blue part, that makes no sense
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Postby InkL0sed on Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:56 pm

Risktaker17 wrote:why is northern india worth less than the blue part, that makes no sense


I don't understand... Northern India is the blue part... :?:
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Postby edbeard on Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:12 pm

I believe he meant Eastern India. And, I agree. I think those bonus amounts should be switched.

The borders inside the map are good now. I don't like what you've done on the outside though.

If anything, the main part of the map should stand out from everything else. It's like something you see on the news. They show you the general region, and the area they are talking about pops up. It's not quite the same, but I think you understand what I'm saying. The main map should be on top!

Right now, it doesn't look good because of the way you've got it setup. The way the land hits the water looks uhh. well just redo it!

The mini map doesn't look good either because it is quite blurry and pixelated. The text in there could also be much bigger. There's plenty of space for it. Remember, this is the LARGE map. You want things to be easily readable.

The legend text isn't as legible it could be. Make that text bigger (You have TONS of space. I don't understand why it was so small in the first place; You've increased it since then but not nearly enough.

I'd recommend getting rid of most of these shadows you have on the map. I don't see why they are there. Shadows on the legend text. Shadows on the army circles. It looks like alien ships are attacking india.
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Postby InkL0sed on Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:36 pm

edbeard wrote:I believe he meant Eastern India. And, I agree. I think those bonus amounts should be switched.

The borders inside the map are good now. I don't like what you've done on the outside though.

If anything, the main part of the map should stand out from everything else. It's like something you see on the news. They show you the general region, and the area they are talking about pops up. It's not quite the same, but I think you understand what I'm saying. The main map should be on top!

Right now, it doesn't look good because of the way you've got it setup. The way the land hits the water looks uhh. well just redo it!

The mini map doesn't look good either because it is quite blurry and pixelated. The text in there could also be much bigger. There's plenty of space for it. Remember, this is the LARGE map. You want things to be easily readable.

The legend text isn't as legible it could be. Make that text bigger (You have TONS of space. I don't understand why it was so small in the first place; You've increased it since then but not nearly enough.

I'd recommend getting rid of most of these shadows you have on the map. I don't see why they are there. Shadows on the legend text. Shadows on the army circles. It looks like alien ships are attacking india.


Well, the bonuses went pretty much by the number of border-territories. My mind has been slowly changing about Eastern India though. And I guess Northern India could be +1... I need to think about it.

I think I went a little effect-crazy when I learned about Blending Options... Alien ships! :lol: I do see what you mean, though, I'll try to reduce the shadows.

The mini-map was supposed to look like it was dissolving into the background, but I guess that failed. I'll put it back to normal.

As always, very constructive criticism. Thanks.
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Postby Unit_2 on Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:37 pm

Could you see what you can do with the water/land cross over and also the map/background border.

The wrighting is also hard to read.

Also how do you get over the river?
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Postby InkL0sed on Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:25 pm

Unit_2 wrote:Could you see what you can do with the water/land cross over and also the map/background border.

The wrighting is also hard to read.

Also how do you get over the river?


I'll try to clean up those borders.

Certain territories that have the river inside them (like Uttar and West Bengal) are just one territory. So if you hold one of those, you can cross the river.

I know that isn't explained well, but I guess it's explained as much as it is obvious. Does anybody have any suggestions to fixing that problem?
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Postby asl80 on Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:56 pm

It's going well ink, well done, but sorry i can't help myself ... whenever another india map comes up i have to refer back to a really old thread begun (almost completed) on india but long since abbandoned ...

http://conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8594&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

i'm not suggesting you should necessarily change your path, but just want to throw this in for some ideas you might possibly find as inspiration ...

... i don't know the author (ConformOrDie), but he is long since gone ... so no hope of getting permission for his work exists i don't think.

Just wanted to throw this beautiful bit of work in there ... sorry for the interuption.

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(p.s. please don't go post in the thread posted above on account of it's long lost state - pretty sure it's an end of show situation - you might also get the pointed figure of a misplaced "bump" like me, hehehehe)
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Postby InkL0sed on Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:27 am

It does look good. But it seems like others have done the bumping for you.
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Postby grunion on Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:54 am

InkL0sed wrote:
Unit_2 wrote:Could you see what you can do with the water/land cross over and also the map/background border.

The wrighting is also hard to read.

Also how do you get over the river?


I'll try to clean up those borders.

Certain territories that have the river inside them (like Uttar and West Bengal) are just one territory. So if you hold one of those, you can cross the river.

I know that isn't explained well, but I guess it's explained as much as it is obvious. Does anybody have any suggestions to fixing that problem?
With East India having 2 of the 4 river crossings I would think its strategic importance would merit it more than 1 bonus.
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Postby TaCktiX on Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:03 am

Perhaps to fix the ambiguity of the river, put bridges across on split territories?
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