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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&8 [D] Iz Back up!

Postby Balsiefen on Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:40 pm

Medieval Denmark V2.4
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Thanks ian, very good stuff. Done pretty much all of it. Still having problems with minimap though. Poor little Anund, It wasn't meant to be :(
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.4 Pg 1&8 [D]

Postby el-presidente on Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:31 pm

I think you need to have the names of the bonus regions on there, not sure why, but I can't think of any map with just a mini map.

perhaps make the water a little darker, since it looks like it is just floating there with no real background.

Why do you use 97 for army sizes? why not 88?
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.4 Pg 1&8 [D]

Postby el-presidente on Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:32 pm

also, what is wrong with the mini map as is? in the first post you said it was bad, but I think it is fine.
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.4 Pg 1&8 [D]

Postby Balsiefen on Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:45 am

Thanks elpresidente, I'll do what you said about the seas. As for the minimap,the problem is that the names won't fit readably into the space I have-Take a look at the version of the map on the previous page and you'll see what I mean. And I used 97 because I couldn't find any transparent 88 images (silly I know)
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.4 Pg 1&8 [D]

Postby iancanton on Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:39 am

nice update, balsiefen. we still need some names for the bonus zones.

running the numbers through a spreadsheet, the mid-jutland bonus can be reduced to +6 and the light green islands to +3. however, i prefer ur own +4 bonus for syaland to the +3 that is on the spreadsheet because of its pivotal position in the middle of the map. after the mid-jutland and light green bonuses are reduced and the bonus zones are named, i believe the map qualifies for the gameplay stamp.

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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.4 Pg 1&8 [D]

Postby Balsiefen on Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:36 am

Thanks there, I'll get to that next time I have time :) The continents do have names but unfortunately, I just haven't found a way of getting them onto the minimap, I may have to revert to the old way of things next update legend-wise.

Actually, looking at it, I'm not sure if I agree with you on Mid jutland. It has 8 territs, 6 boarders onto 4 other continents-oughtn't that be about 7? (it has fewer territs than asia in classic but it is more central and has more borders)
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.4 Pg 1&8 [D]

Postby iancanton on Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:29 pm

classic asia has not just more regions, but 4 more, which is quite a lot! it's also more central because it's connected to 80% of the other bonus zones, compared to mid-jutland's 57%. looking again at the map, it appears that a +7 bonus does not unbalance the map unduly and just leads to a different emphasis in a minority of games. the gameplay is fairly robust so, upon reduction to +3 of the light green bonus (which can be broken from only 2 other zones), the stamp can apply whether we have +6 or +7 for mid-jutland.

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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.4 Pg 1&8 [D]

Postby Balsiefen on Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:35 am

Okay, I agree with you then, I'll get onto that now :)
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.5 Pg 1&8 (gp stamp?) [D]

Postby Balsiefen on Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:13 am

Right ho. :mrgreen:

Medieval Denmark V2.5
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Mid jutland has been reduced to 6 and Fyun and isles has been reduced to 3.
I've switched back to the old bonus box until when and if the minimap becomes viable.
Made a few minor changes with the sea routes which I feel makes them more visible.

To Do
-Minimap! Currently, I can't get the text to fit comfortably in it. I need all the suggestions and Ideas you can think of-I'm completely stuck on how to get it to work (apart from abandoning it but I quite like the idea)
-Any more heads ups on the names that I've missed from you useful fellows.
-Whatever turns up :)
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.5 Pg 1&8 (gp stamp?) [D]

Postby iancanton on Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:22 am

now u can polish the graphics.

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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.5 Pg 1&8 (gp stamp?) [D]

Postby Balsiefen on Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:43 am

That was jolly quick, thanks :D
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.5 Pg 1&8 [D][GP]

Postby el-presidente on Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:04 am

Yay, I really like this map, and I'm glad it is comming along nicely.
As for the minimap, if you move your signature somewhere else, then move the island of burgendaland up and to the left a bit, (a little inaccuracy is not that bad) then you can have the minimap where it used to be and then put the makes in that bottom corner as long as you can fit in 2 colums (the big yellow one would be either first of last so it would be the space of both coloms) then people could see the minimap and know what the bonus regions are called.
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.5 Pg 1&8 (gp stamp?) [D]

Postby MrBenn on Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:28 pm

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Balsiefen wrote:To Do
-Minimap! Currently, I can't get the text to fit comfortably in it. I need all the suggestions and Ideas you can think of-I'm completely stuck on how to get it to work (apart from abandoning it but I quite like the idea)
-Any more heads ups on the names that I've missed from you useful fellows.
-Whatever turns up :)


Congratulations on the Gameplay stamp ;-)

The graphics are looking fairly polished already - although there are a couple of observations that I'd like to make - most of which fall under the "Whatever turns up" category ;-)

1. The font that you've used for the legend differs from the font used elsewhere on the map, and isn't that clear. It would probably be better on the eye to use the same typeface all over - with the possible exceptions of the map title and your signature.

2. There is a nice texture on the water, which makes the land look incredibly flat. Perhaps you could add a subtle texture to the land - either the same as the sea, or something parchmenty like you've used for your legend?

3. Some of the paths over the water are difficult to make out - most notably the connections to Utland and Langeland. It might be worth moving the path from Burgendaland to Lund a bit, so it sweeps over the water a bit more, instead of skirting the coast of Albo. This should help to clear up exactly where territories connect.

4. I'm assuming that Thytae doesn't border Harthe/Saling/Himber... Also I'm assuming that Saling/Himber don;t border each other... Is there any way you can exaggerate that inlet, and possibly shrink some of the islands to make those non-borders more apparent?

5. For some reason the borders look quite pixellated around the yellow regions - not too sure what's causing that...

6. All of the text is perfectly horizontal, except for the label for Sweden. You could possibly get rid of the lake near the 'S', which would make room for the text to run horizontally.

7. The previous legend with the minimap was much easier on the eye, although I can see your struggle to fit names on. With a more legible font, is there any chance you could combine the two ideas - minimap with the numbers, with arrows/lines (like mibi used on supermax or iraq) to the name in a list?

That's about it for now :)
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.5 Pg 1&8 [D][GP]

Postby Balsiefen on Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:12 am

Wow, more stuff now the holiday ends than I've had since july :mrgreen:
el-presidente wrote:Yay, I really like this map, and I'm glad it is comming along nicely.
As for the minimap, if you move your signature somewhere else, then move the island of burgendaland up and to the left a bit, (a little inaccuracy is not that bad) then you can have the minimap where it used to be and then put the makes in that bottom corner as long as you can fit in 2 colums (the big yellow one would be either first of last so it would be the space of both coloms) then people could see the minimap and know what the bonus regions are called.

This seems to me a very clean solution to the problem :)
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Congratulations on the Gameplay stamp ;-)

Thanks :D

The graphics are looking fairly polished already - although there are a couple of observations that I'd like to make - most of which fall under the "Whatever turns up" category ;-)

1. The font that you've used for the legend differs from the font used elsewhere on the map, and isn't that clear. It would probably be better on the eye to use the same typeface all over - with the possible exceptions of the map title and your signature.

Will Do.

2. There is a nice texture on the water, which makes the land look incredibly flat. Perhaps you could add a subtle texture to the land - either the same as the sea, or something parchmenty like you've used for your legend?
Actually the texture is over the entire map but it seems the water's darkness makes it stand out. I'll try doubling the opacity of the texture on the land or putting a light browny yellow over it to help the texture stand out.

3. Some of the paths over the water are difficult to make out - most notably the connections to Utland and Langeland. It might be worth moving the path from Burgendaland to Lund a bit, so it sweeps over the water a bit more, instead of skirting the coast of Albo. This should help to clear up exactly where territories connect.

I'll have a fiddle.

4. I'm assuming that Thytae doesn't border Harthe/Saling/Himber... Also I'm assuming that Saling/Himber don;t border each other... Is there any way you can exaggerate that inlet, and possibly shrink some of the islands to make those non-borders more apparent?
The inlet is quite a bit wider than the rivers in most maps but the irregular shape and islands are causing troubles. I'll redraw that bit, making the islands smaller and widening the inlet where it bottlenecks after the island.

5. For some reason the borders look quite pixellated around the yellow regions - not too sure what's causing that...

Damn.
I've been waiting for someone to pick that one up for ages :lol:
I've tried everything with it: redrawn, switched layer masks, switched opacity changed lines. But there may be a few things I haven't tried-although they're large jobs.

6. All of the text is perfectly horizontal, except for the label for Sweden. You could possibly get rid of the lake near the 'S', which would make room for the text to run horizontally.

In one of the earlier versions of the map, the label was horizontal (as you can see in my sig actually) but it was changed as it left large amounts of empty space and looked rather surplus. Perhaps I should get rid of labels entirely?

7. The previous legend with the minimap was much easier on the eye, although I can see your struggle to fit names on. With a more legible font, is there any chance you could combine the two ideas - minimap with the numbers, with arrows/lines (like mibi used on supermax or iraq) to the name in a list?

There wasn't really space for that I'm afraid but I think el-presedente has given us a nice solution which probably will work

That's about it for now :)

Thanks Benn, that was a load of feedback :)

Anyway, as folks can see I've got a lot to get on to and, as I said, my holidays are just ending so it may take a while for me to get this update done (especially as there's a whole lot of layers to be rebuilt). At least it'll be a big one :mrgreen:

UPDATE: My internet at home has broken and I've just started my first year of 6th form. These factors combined mean an update may take a while.

Sorry folks! :)
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.5 Pg 1&8 [D][GP]

Postby RedBaron0 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:31 pm

Hope you get back to this kiddo, it is looking quite nice, and if you hit the areas MrBenn has outlined, you should be set!

For the texture, you could also cut out what you have and change the direction the texture is flowing for the land, it might make it stand out more along with the coloring of the land darker.

Probably don't need to label Sweden, and for that matter, the HRE too.

Don't be afraid to stretch or erase parts of the map. As long as the land looks like Denmark you're set, you an easily erase superfluous islands that aren't territories. In many cases they will only confuse gameplay.
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