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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&6 We're back up! New Version!

Postby Balsiefen on Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:35 pm

sorry, thanks for comments and support (nice to have someone actually Danish to keep me in check).

Life for the past month has been deadly for me: I finally got a holiday but then I was rushed up and down the country so mapmaking has fallen rather to the bottom of things to feel guilty about not doing. ;)

However, I think I feel like having another spurt of updates, I'll start working on it immediately.
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&6 We're back up! New Version!

Postby Balsiefen on Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:09 pm

madsanders wrote:Omungaer - Vibiaergh
Lofraeth - Horsnaes
Abo - Arus
Almundae - Kaldyng
Barvith - Hathaerslef
Eilaem - Ripae
Istathe - Hetheby
Flacke - Slaulosae
Tuzae - Kalundaeburgh (Perhaps Odz, if it's too long)
Tunae - Roskeldae
Stro - Haelsingoer (not on your map, but this is after all where Hamlet takes place and one of the most important sites of the time, so it should definitely be on your map)
Barae - Lund

I'm not so familiar with the Swedish part of the map, so I've only made one suggestion there.
Hope you can use it.
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EDIT: A little research tells me that Haelsingoer was indeed not of great importance at this time in history, it gained importance later on. It is, though, mentioned by Valdemar in 1231, so it did exist, but as a simple fishing town. I'll leave that decision up to you.

Mostly implemented: Hathaerslef, Slaulosae and Haelsingoer are unfortunately too long to fit in their countries and Roskeldae is touch and go even when I shorten it to it's modern name Roskilde. Also I cannot find any other sources supporting names either way so I'm trusting anyone who can find improvements.

And another thing: the straight between Thytae and Harthe was in fact not a straight but sanded shut (don't know how to say that in English) from 1100 to 1825 allowing passage from one region to the other. That is perhaps a detail.

I think I'll keep it as it is for now for gameplay reasons more than anything else. (plus a border that narrow would confuse people)

And, with a very few exeptions, he's spelled Valdemar Sejr (not Vlademar, althgough it's a Danish version of Vladimir).
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Changed. :)

To concerns about the legend and addition of a minimap, I am currently having a fiddle with redoing it. Got an idea of what it could be like but not sure if it'll work out.
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&6 We're back up! New Version!

Postby madsanders on Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:14 am

Balsiefen wrote:Mostly implemented: Hathaerslef, Slaulosae and Haelsingoer are unfortunately too long to fit in their countries and Roskeldae is touch and go even when I shorten it to it's modern name Roskilde. Also I cannot find any other sources supporting names either way so I'm trusting anyone who can find improvements.


You could call the old Almundae Vaethlae and then use Kaldyng for Barvith (it's right on the border). Perhaps Soroe instead of Slaulosae, Ledra instead of Roskeldae and Esrum for Haelsingoer

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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&6 We're back up! New Version!

Postby iancanton on Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:01 pm

a map of schleswig gives the name of the bottom island as fehmarn, not imbrae.

http://www.tiscover.de/de/guide/5de,en, ... /home.html

this is a german name, the modern danish name being femern.

http://www.meeresblick.de/ostsee/stadt/ ... hland.html

Fehmarn (dänisch Femern) ist die drittgrößte der deutschen Ostseeinseln und Teil von Schleswig-Holstein.

there is some evidence that the name in the time of king knud the great (1022) was fembre.

http://www.fehmarn.de/service/kultur/kurzchronik.html

Dänenkönig Knud der Große unterstellt im Jahre 1022 die Insel Fehmarn...
Im Jahre 1076 erwähnt der Kirchenhistoriker Adam von Bremen die Insel „Fembre" als ein reiches Bauernland und voll von Seeräubern...


anund appears to be called anholt now, though i don't know the medieval name. it appears to have belonged to halland, not mid jutland, but was of minor importance and, when the rest of halland was ceded to sweden, the island was missed by the swedes and therefore remained in danish hands.

http://www.anholt.dk/turistinformation1.htm

Ved freden i Roskilde i 1658 måtte Danmark afstå Skåne, Halland, Blekinge og Bornholm til Sverige. Det siges at Anholt da ved et tilfælde forblev dansk, idet en af de danske forhandlere holdt sin hånd på landkortet så den dækkede Anholt.

anund (or anholt) needs to be on the map for neither historical nor gameplay reasons - i dislike the fact that there's no real gap between the jutland and halland/skane sides of the map, since the sea isn't proving to be much of a barrier - so i'd like u to consider replacing this territory with roskilde.

will u have room for roskilde as the capital city of denmark and "the biggest town in medieval northern europe", perhaps given a similar treatment as moscow in pepperonibread's soviet union? if u're pushed for space, then maybe a crown-shaped army shadow on both map and legend will suffice.

http://www.roskilde.com/cmarter.asp?doc=2961&node=984
http://www.roskilde.com/cmarter.asp?doc=2963&node=977

This former medieval capital of Denmark at the end of Roskilde fjord is not far from busy Copenhagen.
Already in the 10th century Roskilde was a residence for kings and bishops, the first stone church, Saint Clemens´, was build in 1030.
It was considered to be the biggest town in medieval northern Europe with 5 to 10, 000 inhabitants.


moon is actually spelt møn or moen.

http://www.feriecenter-siden.dk/holiday ... ands/moen/
http://www.insula-moenia.dk/index.html

i also agree with madsanders that lund must be included instead of barae.

http://www.lund.se/templates/Page____21316.aspx

From the 13th century Lund was Denmark's most important city - a city from which the archbishops exercised ecclesiastical power over all of Scandinavia.

ian. :)
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&6 We're back up! New Version!

Postby Balsiefen on Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:12 am

Wow, thanks for that stuff.


However, I'm very sorry to say that exams are now making it impossible to keep up with this. Thanks for all the support and interest but I'm afraid I have 12 GCSE's to keep up with.

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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&6 VACATION until June

Postby Joodoo on Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:50 pm

suggesstion:add Holy Roman Empire and Sweden as territories (but don't make them belong to any continent)
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&6 We're back up! New Version!

Postby MrBenn on Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:59 am

Balsiefen wrote:VACATION UNTIL 24 JUNE 2009(ish)


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All the best with your exams ;-)

One of the CAs will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made. ;-)
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&6 VACATION until June

Postby Balsiefen on Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:56 am

well exams are through, I'm off on a trip to Oxford for a couple of days but watch this space :D
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&6 VACATION until June

Postby Hatchman on Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:58 am

Seeing this map for the first time and I have to say I love it! :D
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&6 We're back up! New Version!

Postby Balsiefen on Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:34 pm

iancanton wrote:a map of schleswig gives the name of the bottom island as fehmarn, not imbrae.

http://www.tiscover.de/de/guide/5de,en, ... /home.html

this is a german name, the modern danish name being femern.

http://www.meeresblick.de/ostsee/stadt/ ... hland.html

Fehmarn (dänisch Femern) ist die drittgrößte der deutschen Ostseeinseln und Teil von Schleswig-Holstein.

there is some evidence that the name in the time of king knud the great (1022) was fembre.

http://www.fehmarn.de/service/kultur/kurzchronik.html

Dänenkönig Knud der Große unterstellt im Jahre 1022 die Insel Fehmarn...
Im Jahre 1076 erwähnt der Kirchenhistoriker Adam von Bremen die Insel „Fembre" als ein reiches Bauernland und voll von Seeräubern...

I've changed it to Fembre for now.

[/quote]anund appears to be called anholt now, though i don't know the medieval name. it appears to have belonged to halland, not mid jutland, but was of minor importance and, when the rest of halland was ceded to sweden, the island was missed by the swedes and therefore remained in danish hands.

http://www.anholt.dk/turistinformation1.htm

Ved freden i Roskilde i 1658 måtte Danmark afstå Skåne, Halland, Blekinge og Bornholm til Sverige. Det siges at Anholt da ved et tilfælde forblev dansk, idet en af de danske forhandlere holdt sin hånd på landkortet så den dækkede Anholt.

anund (or anholt) needs to be on the map for neither historical nor gameplay reasons - i dislike the fact that there's no real gap between the jutland and halland/skane sides of the map, since the sea isn't proving to be much of a barrier - so i'd like u to consider replacing this territory with roskilde. [/quote]
I agree that it has little reason to be there except as a filler (the 42 territs thing). The sea not being much of a barrier is somewhat deliberate as for the danes, travel over sea was probably often more convenient than land. Also I wanted Halland to be slightly harder to hold as four 2 size territs is a little much and it boarders N Jutland which is also an easy territ to take. If I remove it however I need to find somewhere to add a replacement and roskilde isn't really suitable (see next bit)

will u have room for roskilde as the capital city of denmark and "the biggest town in medieval northern europe", perhaps given a similar treatment as moscow in pepperonibread's soviet union? if u're pushed for space, then maybe a crown-shaped army shadow on both map and legend will suffice.

http://www.roskilde.com/cmarter.asp?doc=2961&node=984
http://www.roskilde.com/cmarter.asp?doc=2963&node=977

This former medieval capital of Denmark at the end of Roskilde fjord is not far from busy Copenhagen.
Already in the 10th century Roskilde was a residence for kings and bishops, the first stone church, Saint Clemens´, was build in 1030.
It was considered to be the biggest town in medieval northern Europe with 5 to 10, 000 inhabitants.

I have changed the name of the territory to roskilde but splitting it or adding it as a separate city is impossible due to size restrictions (the name overlaps the boarder as it is with no space to spare, though I'll probably jig the Odz border to fit it in.)

moon is actually spelt møn or moen.

http://www.feriecenter-siden.dk/holiday ... ands/moen/
http://www.insula-moenia.dk/index.html

i also agree with madsanders that lund must be included instead of barae.

http://www.lund.se/templates/Page____21316.aspx

From the 13th century Lund was Denmark's most important city - a city from which the archbishops exercised ecclesiastical power over all of Scandinavia.

ian. :)

Done and done, thanks for that :)

Joodoo wrote:suggesstion:add Holy Roman Empire and Sweden as territories (but don't make them belong to any continent)

Sorry, but I cant see this as being anything but awkward for gameplay and graphics alike.

hatchman wrote:Seeing this map for the first time and I have to say I love it! :D

Thanks! :D
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&6

Postby Balsiefen on Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:52 pm

Right, here's the long awaited update!

Medieval Denmark V2.3
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Changes
-So many name changes I've lost track ;) Roskilde being the most important
-Fiddled the boarders on syaland (purple) to make things a little more comfortable
-Made a complete bodge of a minimap ;)

Issues
-Minimap! I need all the suggestions and Ideas you can think of-I'm completely stuck on how to get it to work (apart from abandoning it but I quite like the idea)
-Any more heads ups on the names that I've missed from you useful fellows.
-I'm a little worried on whether some of the shorter sea routes are visible, can you guys see them fine?
-Whatever turns up :)
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&7 Iz Back up!

Postby Balsiefen on Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:04 pm

Oh dear, just thought, now I'm off exams I'll be going on holiday (Scotland and Czech with about a week in between) so updates may be rather slow for the summer.

But I've been missing this project, all work and no maps makes balsie a dull boy ;)
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&7 Iz Back up!

Postby MrBenn on Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:15 pm

Welcome back to the foundry ;)

Please could you update the thread title/first post with the draft stamp - I just had to read back a couple of pages to make sure you already had it :lol:

Looking forward to seeing this one develop again...
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&7 Iz Back up!

Postby Balsiefen on Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:32 pm

Thanks Benn, will do :D
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Re: Medieval Denmark-V2.2 Pg 1&6 We're back up! New Version!

Postby iancanton on Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:54 am

Balsiefen wrote:
iancanton wrote:anund (or anholt) needs to be on the map for neither historical nor gameplay reasons - i dislike the fact that there's no real gap between the jutland and halland/skane sides of the map, since the sea isn't proving to be much of a barrier - so i'd like u to consider replacing this territory with roskilde.

I agree that it has little reason to be there except as a filler (the 42 territs thing). The sea not being much of a barrier is somewhat deliberate as for the danes, travel over sea was probably often more convenient than land. Also I wanted Halland to be slightly harder to hold as four 2 size territs is a little much and it boarders N Jutland which is also an easy territ to take. If I remove it however I need to find somewhere to add a replacement and roskilde isn't really suitable

all three single-region islands in that area have the same type of connection to each side, making that part of the map a bit repetitive. i suggest that we lose anund as a region, then split arus into arus (a small region beside horsnoes, the sea and the next bit) and either hoelghoenoes or dyursoe (the remainder of the current arus region, adjacent to horsnoes, arus, the sea, halmstath and vibiaergh) - these two names come from ur source map in the opening post. mid-jutland will then have 8 regions, as now, but only 6 will be border regions, compared with 7 just now. it remains a difficult hold.

u'll also need to code 3 start positions in the yellow bonus zone.

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