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Re: Switzerland v45--Febuary 15--PAGE 1+41 [D,GP]

Postby thenobodies80 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:59 pm

Merciless Wong wrote:Why not go with realistic geography and let the bonuses make it balance. If less river means, more difficulty in one district, up its bonuses or give it a part bonus on half completion.


Seriously i think you saw another map. :?
I scaled an original map of switzerland , i don't see so many differences (the few differences i see, are reasonable changes due to set a balanced gameplay).

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Anyways i have only two critics:
- about lakes and water ingeneral, could be done better. The actual you have appear a bit sticked on this beautiful map.
- I like if you add only a bit of color in the darker schaffhausen and genève zones.

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Re: Switzerland v45--Febuary 15--PAGE 1+41 [D,GP]

Postby wcaclimbing on Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:41 pm

ok guys, I've been without internet access for the last week.
I'm going to try and get an update out sometime later this week.
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Re: Switzerland v45--Febuary 15--PAGE 1+41 [D,GP]

Postby wcaclimbing on Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:49 pm

Just noticed that this thread recently passed its one year anniversary.
Thats a long time...
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Re: Switzerland v45--Febuary 15--PAGE 1+41 [D,GP]

Postby pamoa on Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:48 pm

wca I hope you won't offend and sorry klap but i had to try it
but as a Swiss I'm very disappointed to see that this map is not going anywhere
so here is my proposition
if you guys think it is interesting I'm ready to go further with it
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Re: Switzerland v45--Febuary 15--PAGE 1+41 [D,GP]

Postby wcaclimbing on Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:52 pm

Hey, I have an update coming out in about an hour. I meant to have it ready last week, but couldn't finish everything I wanted to because I didn't have enough time.
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Re: Switzerland v45--Febuary 15--PAGE 1+41 [D,GP]

Postby the.killing.44 on Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:06 pm

I don't think it's as much not going anywhere because of lack of effort, but more as that there aren't really comments coming in. And honestly I think this is because there isn't much left to do here. So let's check out wca's update and see what else people find is in need of fixing? As I recall there were only one or two changes to be made :)
Oh, and sorry to be so blunt about this but pamoa the map you posted is an eyesore — a lot coming at you and I like the subtle feel of Kap's style better.

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Re: Switzerland v45--Febuary 15--PAGE 1+41 [D,GP]

Postby wcaclimbing on Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:22 pm

v46
I didn't make any major changes, just a few small things.
1. made the borders darker
2. made the river darker and more chalk-like
3. made the mountains purple like they were on Kap's version.
4. and maybe a few very small things. I don't really remember.

What do you guys think of it?
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby pamoa on Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:14 am

Spelling mistake in the title Schweiz in German
CH comes from the Latin denomination Confoederatio Helvetica

Official Names for Switzerland

Helvetic Confederation (en)
Schweizerische Eidgenossenschaft (de)
Confédération suisse (fr)
Confederazione Svizzera (it)
Confederaziun svizra (rom)
Confoederatio Helvetica (lat.)
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby wcaclimbing on Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:09 pm

pamoa wrote:Spelling mistake in the title Schweiz in German
CH comes from the Latin denomination Confoederatio Helvetica

Official Names for Switzerland

Helvetic Confederation (en)
Schweizerische Eidgenossenschaft (de)
Confédération suisse (fr)
Confederazione Svizzera (it)
Confederaziun svizra (rom)
Confoederatio Helvetica (lat.)


Is it ok to leave the "Svizzera - Suisse - Chweiz" where it is (after I fix the spelling...) or should it be changed to have those full names?
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby whitestazn88 on Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:15 pm

wait, i'm confused.

when did this go from kaplowitz to him, the killing.44 and wca?

how did wca get to edit the first post when kapy was the one who started the thread? (i've never seen that before!)

ps. it looks awesome. i don't know why its been sitting around for so damn long... couldve been quenched a while ago imo
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby the.killing.44 on Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:16 pm

whitestazn88 wrote:wait, i'm confused.

when did this go from kaplowitz to him, the killing.44 and wca?

how did wca get to edit the first post when kapy was the one who started the thread? (i've never seen that before!)

ps. it looks awesome. i don't know why its been sitting around for so damn long... couldve been quenched a while ago imo

Kap's map, he is leaving, wca takes over GFX, I did XML. Andy handed over the first post to wca.

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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby wcaclimbing on Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:27 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:
whitestazn88 wrote:wait, i'm confused.

when did this go from kaplowitz to him, the killing.44 and wca?

how did wca get to edit the first post when kapy was the one who started the thread? (i've never seen that before!)

ps. it looks awesome. i don't know why its been sitting around for so damn long... couldve been quenched a while ago imo

Kap's map, he is leaving, wca takes over GFX, I did XML. Andy handed over the first post to wca.

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Yep. Kap was done working on the map so killing and I offered to take it over. Since I'm doing the graphics, Andy did one of his mod power things and made it so I controlled the first post, so I could easily edit it and update the most recent images.
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby bryguy on Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:47 am

1) Does Brig connect to Url (Or is it Uri?) and Ticino? It is kind of hard to tell
2) It seems very strange to have borders run into mountains, and then continue to go under the same montain and out the other side. It also looks very weird. Where Im seeing this is southern Fribourg, western Unter-Walden, and northern Sion. For northern Sion, you could just move that small mountain up a bit, that might help.
3) Some mountains overlap onto others, and I see that this is a problem especially on corners. It appears that in some places you have attempted to fix this, but in others you have not.
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby wcaclimbing on Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:02 pm

bryguy wrote:1) Does Brig connect to Url (Or is it Uri?) and Ticino? It is kind of hard to tell
2) It seems very strange to have borders run into mountains, and then continue to go under the same montain and out the other side. It also looks very weird. Where Im seeing this is southern Fribourg, western Unter-Walden, and northern Sion. For northern Sion, you could just move that small mountain up a bit, that might help.
3) Some mountains overlap onto others, and I see that this is a problem especially on corners. It appears that in some places you have attempted to fix this, but in others you have not.


Good suggestions.
I'll try to fix all of those.

And yes, Brig does connect to Uri and Ticino.
I'll try and make that clearer.
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby pamoa on Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:57 am

wcaclimbing wrote:Is it ok to leave the "Svizzera - Suisse - Chweiz" where it is (after I fix the spelling...) or should it be changed to have those full names?


you can leave this title although it would be more correct to put them in the following order due to the language importance
Schweiz - Suisse - Svizzera

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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby Tisha on Fri May 01, 2009 10:40 am

i don't like the color of the mountains... they are just sitting there almost crisp and purple, popping out, while everything else is smudged. can you try them without saturation?
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby oaktown on Sat May 02, 2009 2:23 am

Tisha wrote:i don't like the color of the mountains... they are just sitting there almost crisp and purple, popping out, while everything else is smudged. can you try them without saturation?

Agreed... I thought this map had some bad ass mountains a few months ago? What bugs me about these mountains is that they are all the same mountain clone stamped in different sizes - changes the whole look of the map.

And every few months I make a comment about the Brig-Ticino-Uri border - it's still unclear what's going on around there.
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby mibi on Sun May 03, 2009 11:43 pm

I don't think this map was ever meant to be played. It's cursed.

Furthermore, its too soft now.
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby alexandrois on Mon May 04, 2009 1:53 am

i'm sorry but isn't there 6 cantons of switz, i may be wrong
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby pamoa on Mon May 04, 2009 1:58 am

alexandrois wrote:i'm sorry but isn't there 6 cantons of switz, i may be wrong

26 actually and they are only partially used in this map which quite far from representing precisely Switzerland, quite strange for us a we are known for our precision...
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Re: Switzerland v22--June 6--PAGE 1+18 [I]

Postby oaktown on Wed May 27, 2009 1:05 am

Here's my post from June 9, 2008:

oaktown wrote:As you work on the graphics you should try to give the borders a bit more space - the Bern to Brig attack route could easily be bigger, and as it is you could overlook it. And Geneva needs something to make it more obvious - it's like Sri Lanka in both the Asia and World 2.0 maps, I always think I have the region wrapped up and then I realize I forgot one terit.

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Well, the Bern to Brig attack route has been opened up, but all of the other problems that plagued this map 1 year ago still persist. The borders are still hard to pick out (does Basel border Aargau, or is that a river?), and the three-way Uri-Brig-Ticino border - which I have been critical of for over a year - is still sloppy. The mountains were really bad, then they got better, and now they're a little bit worse. The water doesn't work, and the borders come through it. Territory names don't fit in places where they could.

One thing that really troubles me visually is that a lot of time has clearly gone into weathering the background, but the elements of the map itself don't look old. In fact, the font, colors, mountains, and style are all quite very modern - it's as if somebody laser printed the map onto a transparent sticker and pasted it to a wall. The weathering should be on top of the image, not behind it. And the image should only be weathered if it's meant to look like an old map. Well, the font would work if this were a Roman map, but as it's not it makes the font look out of place in a post-modern kind of way.

Weird having a mini map AND a key to tell you which region is which... for me, a color blind user, the key on the top right is entirely useless, as it doesn't indicate what's what or give bonus info.

I think this map needs a game plan. Taking over a map that somebody else started is fine, but it needs to be approached with an entirely fresh perspective or else it just becomes a hack job. Right now this is a hack job.
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby Incandenza on Wed May 27, 2009 1:19 am

I'd say one of the major problems with this map is that it in no way says "switzerland" to me,especially the background, which seems to depict a forest (yet forests certainly wouldn't rank a slot if there were ever a Family Feud category for "Things you think about when someone mentions Switzerland"). The extraordinary softness of the map isn't doing you any favors either, and again seems to run contrary to the very concept of Swiss-ness. If it's a period map, there's really nothing to indicate such.

Really, it could be a map of anywhere.
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby MrBenn on Wed May 27, 2009 4:48 pm

If you want some inspiration for things that feel Swiss, check out their national tourist board site: http://www.myswitzerland.com/en.cfm/home

They have a good collection of pictures on their multimedia/wallpapers section.... not a great deal of maps, but enough to give you a feel for the lakes/mountains etc. Grey just feels so wrong for such a beautiful country...
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby wcaclimbing on Thu May 28, 2009 12:00 am

So in the general idea to throw out Kap's original design and start from scratch?
Gimil will be angry :roll:

But I wouldn't mind. I'm finding it hard to make things look like I want them to look while still keeping what Kap had started.
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Re: Switzerland v46--April 20--PAGE 1+42 [D,GP]

Postby pamoa on Thu May 28, 2009 3:05 am

this map only get draft and gameplay stamps
my 2 cent opinion is as you decided to step in such a difficult project as taking over a map it shouldn't be just to finish it
but because you want to put in your own personal point of view
only this way you will be able to stand the long and enduring process
because an unfinished map is almost like just an idea you have to be able to make it yours
for me the first step should be to redesign your version of the map and not try to re-use the psd or whatever the existing file is
de gueules à la tour d'argent ouverte, crénelée de trois pièces, sommée d'un donjon ajouré, crénelé de deux pièces
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