[Abandoned] - Era of the Three Kingdoms

[yeti_c]

Remember DiM...English unlike the Latin languages is strange and follows no rules! :p

He he he - there are plenty of rules... it's just that we only tell them all to english people!!

C.

[ZeakCytho]

Remember DiM...English unlike the Latin languages is strange and follows no rules! :p

He he he - there are plenty of rules... it's just that we only tell them all to english people!!

C.

And we ignore them half the time

[Ruben Cassar]

Remember DiM...English unlike the Latin languages is strange and follows no rules! :p

He he he - there are plenty of rules... it's just that we only tell them all to english people!!

C.

Aha. I always thought so.

You mean that only 50 million people (the English) out of the hundreds of millions of people who speak English as a first language (like USA, Australia, Canada, NZ, etc) know the rules!? That explains many things! :p I guess that's why Gimil who's a Scot makes so many mistakes then!

[sam_levi_11]

Remember DiM...English unlike the Latin languages is strange and follows no rules! :p

He he he - there are plenty of rules... it's just that we only tell them all to english people!!

C.

Aha. I always thought so.

You mean that only 50 million people (the English) out of the hundreds of millions of people who speak English as a first language (like USA, Australia, Canada, NZ, etc) know the rules!? That explains many things! :p I guess that's why Gimil who's a Scot makes so many mistakes then!

yup being only 5/8 english i only know 5 8ths of the rules. the welsh and spainish(haha ruben ) dont known them

[gimil]

lts mv ths tpc t t f ths thrd nd gt bck n tpc.

Anyone wanna buy a vowel?


Back on topic .. .. ..

[DiM]

thanks guys for clearing that up. live and learn anyway as gimil said back on topic.
here's my last post (edited to get rid of my ignorance towards english)

A. Graphics.

not much to say here. it looks very good. crisp fresh simple nice colours, in short, i like it.
however there are minor things i'd like to see improved:
1. you have 3 small legends of the continents. green has green text. that's good. but blue has black text while red has both red and black text. i think you should keep it consistent and make all the legends like the green one.
2. the rivers seem a bit pixelated especially around the bends. might wanna soften them up a bit. also i'd like to see some affluents (sp?) on those rivers to make them a bit more realistic
3. add a full stop at the end of the sentence. and perhaps the author.

B. Gameplay.

1. fist thing i noticed is the overpowered north. now i understand you wanted realism but that realism will kinda make the map be screwy. you don't see africa on classic map getting a +1 bonus and north america a +10 just because usa has a much better economy and army even if that would be realistic
waht i would do is add a one way connection from Yin Ping to liang. this will not only make Ling be harder to hold but it will also make the whole northern area harder to hold.
2. bei ping. 2 terits for a +1. not sure if i like it. the chances of getting that bonus right from the start are pretty big and i wouldn't want to face an opponent who gets such an easy bonus immediately. what i would do is add another terit. perhaps call it bei ping east. and keep the same 2 borders the continent has now. or do like wisse did on china and make one of the terits start as neutral. but i'd rather see 3 terits instead on adding a neutral.
3. i would increase central wei from 5 to 6.

[sam_levi_11]

lts mv ths tpc t t f ths thrd nd gt bck n tpc.

Anyone wanna buy a vowel?


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yer the welsh language isnt exactly known for vowels....but i can barely say much in it

[iancanton]

cangwu and yulin need to be swapped round and the borders of the southern wu continent adjusted. the pearl river runs into the sea to the west of nanhai and does not go any further east. can u replace the eastern part of the river by mountains, as i have done in the mock-up below (thick brown line above nanhai)? i've also opened up an attack route between nanhai and guiyang to eliminate the nanhai dead-end, but i think the dead-end isn't a big issue if u don't like the gap between the mountains and the river.



my main source for the above changes is this map, which shows the position in ad 229, when hepu had been split into two commanderies for a short period.

http://www.anu.edu.au/asianstudies/decr ... _map16.gif

ian.

[gimil]

cangwu and yulin need to be swapped round and the borders of the southern wu continent adjusted. the pearl river runs into the sea to the west of nanhai and does not go any further east. can u replace the eastern part of the river by mountains, as i have done in the mock-up below (thick brown line above nanhai)? i've also opened up an attack route between nanhai and guiyang to eliminate the nanhai dead-end, but i think the dead-end isn't a big issue if u don't like the gap between the mountains and the river.



my main source for the above changes is this map, which shows the position in ad 229, when hepu had been split into two commanderies for a short period.

http://www.anu.edu.au/asianstudies/decr ... _map16.gif

ian.

Cheers ian, appreciated as always. Unforuntaly adding the river in your mock up wouldnt change the gameplay. Because I used the pen tool to create my contients it would be alot of work with no gain. Reducing the other river will be a drastic change to gameplay. Im happy to live with this inaccuarcy for the sake of maintaining gameplay.

[iancanton]

Reducing the other river will be a drastic change to gameplay. Im happy to live with this inaccuarcy for the sake of maintaining gameplay.

the change in gameplay is small, not drastic: there is one extra connection, between nanhai and guiyang. however, i'm not screaming for this attack route to be made.

if u want to maintain the same gameplay without spending ages on changing the artwork, then how about copying some of the mountains in the west and putting them between nanhai and guiyang (to represent the nanling mountains), then increasing their opacity, so that the river doesn't show through?

cangwu ought to be yulin and yu'lin ought to be cangwu.

we need more consistency with the wu names so that all of the syllables are joined together.

also, don't forget to replace the chinese character for east with the one that represents wu.

ian.

[gimil]

also, don't forget to replace the chinese character for east with the one that represents wu.

ian.

For some reason the symbol for WU wont copy onto photoshop. Ive made do with east until I time i reseach how to remedie this issues.

p.s. thanks for the rest of your comment ian.

[MrBenn]

also, don't forget to replace the chinese character for east with the one that represents wu.

ian.

For some reason the symbol for WU wont copy onto photoshop. Ive made do with east until I time i reseach how to remedie this issues.

p.s. thanks for the rest of your comment ian.

There must be a chinese character font that you could download from somewhere and use??

[MrBenn]

Gimil, there are still a few outstanding concerns about gameplay:

1. fist thing i noticed is the overpowered north. now i understand you wanted realism but that realism will kinda make the map be screwy. you don't see africa on classic map getting a +1 bonus and north america a +10 just because usa has a much better economy and army even if that would be realistic
waht i would do is add a one way connection from Yin Ping to liang. this will not only make Ling be harder to hold but it will also make the whole northern area harder to hold.

The bottleneck still bothers me. DiM, as always has a valid suggestion, although I'm not too sure how you would implement it... perhaps you could shift the mountains slightly, and have a similar style one-way attack from Yin Ping to Liang South? At the very least a 'mountain pass' or something between Liang South and Liang North might help.

2. bei ping. 2 terits for a +1. not sure if i like it. the chances of getting that bonus right from the start are pretty big and i wouldn't want to face an opponent who gets such an easy bonus immediately. what i would do is add another terit. perhaps call it bei ping east. and keep the same 2 borders the continent has now. or do like wisse did on china and make one of the terits start as neutral. but i'd rather see 3 terits instead on adding a neutral.

Another good suggestion, although I think this is more a matter of personal taste. It's only a +1, so I'd be less worried about the possibility of people starting with this bonus.

3. i would increase central wei from 5 to 6.

I'd consider increasing Big Blue to +6 or possibly +7.

if u want to maintain the same gameplay without spending ages on changing the artwork, then how about copying some of the mountains in the west and putting them between nanhai and guiyang (to represent the nanling mountains), then increasing their opacity, so that the river doesn't show through?

cangwu ought to be yulin and yu'lin ought to be cangwu.

Don't forget to swap territory names around in the red region as per iancanton's suggestion.

[sam_levi_11]

when is this map basedn must be post fan castle because wu have control of Jing, not shu. its also after Tian Shui as shu have it not wei.

[iancanton]

gimil, in the part of jing province north of changsha, i'm having trouble finding evidence of a territory called jing nan. in the map to which i link below, there's one called nan (which happens to be in jing) and another called jiangxia (which looks as if it's in the right place). do u agree with jiangxia?

http://www.anu.edu.au/asianstudies/decr ... _map16.gif

this is close to where the battle of red cliffs was fought. to link our map with this battle, how about renaming as red cliffs the territory that is closest to the location, or do u want all of the names to be of administrative commanderies and not battles? i'm unsure whether the location is jing nan or yu zhang, but that river between jing nan and yu zhang ought to provide a clue.

I'd consider increasing Big Blue to +6 or possibly +7.

+7 makes sense because not only is central wei, by some margin, the sub-continent with most territories, but there is also a one-way attack against it.

ian.