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i had similar troubles but i found another map(well, 3) which gave those, it seems that they are called different things by every map. its annoying

sam, can u check? apart from the ones on gaming sites, the only maps i can find that have jing nan or jingnan refer to the period called five dynasties and ten kingdoms, in the 10th century. same name, same place, but 700 years later. is there is a reference to it in the novel (which i haven't read)? if so, then we can be confident that jingnan also existed in the 3rd century, though it's possible that it simply means the southern part of jing province (nan means south), which is the first part of jing province of which sun quan of wu gained control at shu's expense, and was not the name of any particular commandery.

ian.

this is extremly possible the map maker got mixed up and ill go with yours

below is a map by dr rafe de crespigny (rdc) which shows all commanderies for the empire of wu in the year ad 229. in yang province, there are some significant differences from our map. i propose that we make the following alterations, after which everything falls into place for yang province.

jianye: shown by rdc as wu, but jianye is logical in our case because it's the capital city; split into jianye (eastern part) and danyang (western part)
wuxing: rename as xindu
yu zhang: rename as yuzhang
lu-ling: rename as luling and remove coastline; yuzhang and luling together cover roughly the same area as modern jiangxi province
chien an: rename as kuaiji; let it border jianye and extend the boundary to the river beside nanhai (roughly fujian province plus half of zhejiang)
lin hai: merge into luling or kuaiji; the county that is now called linhai, which is very close to jianye (not as shown), was created in ad 254

http://www.anu.edu.au/asianstudies/decr ... _map16.gif

i'll need do a bit of research on shu to see if there is a way to split yueh sui, as u suggested early on.

ian.

My head hurts. Can I just make a map thats for having fun on? Rather than something of perfect historical meaning?

gimil wrote:My head hurts. Can I just make a map thats for having fun on? Rather than something of perfect historical meaning?

You mean like something with animated bunnies? That's crazy talk!

gimil wrote:My head hurts. Can I just make a map thats for having fun on? Rather than something of perfect historical meaning?

Aren't you doing that already in European Revolution? :p

Ruben Cassar wrote:

gimil wrote:My head hurts. Can I just make a map thats for having fun on? Rather than something of perfect historical meaning?

Aren't you doing that already in European Revolution? :p

Trying to!

C.

yes ian...spaces are bad

any news on this? looking forward to this gimil but ya better hurry, the mobs are gathering if u dont finish soon.

gimil wrote:My head hurts. Can I just make a map thats for having fun on? Rather than something of perfect historical meaning?

i'm sure ur head would hurt at that time of night, trying to figure out how to make a map for having fun that is also of perfect historical meaning!

anyway, i've come up with a name for the south-eastern part of yuesui commandery (after it is split in two): it is zhuti. as well as yuesui, zhuti also borders the current zhuti (which ought to be called zangke), nanman, yulin (which is called cangwu just now prior to the name swap) and jiaozhi.

Shu-Han Dynasty possessed 7 commandaries in Southwest China: Jianning-Yongchang-Yunnan-Xinggu in Yunnan, Zangke in Guizhou/Yunnan, Yuesui in Sichuan, and Zhuti (established in Yunnan in 205 AD).

http://www.republicanchina.org/Vietnamese.html

it appears that the southern yi bonus region can be called laixiang.

When Liu Bei seized power at Chengdu in 214, he established the divisional office of Laixiang to administer the southern part of his territory, and the campaigns of Zhuge Liang of the mid-220s destroyed the non-Chinese alliance led by Meng Huo.

http://www.anu.edu.au/asianstudies/decr ... KWJin.html

jei ting ought to be jieting. as sam notes, spaces are bad!

since we're seeing some pressure to hurry up (thanks, jako), i'm happy to trust that the territories are good in the kingdom of wei.

ian.

its impossible to make this historically accurate as the entire era was not that well documented and ud might as well go with the novel if u want to be as accurate as possible.

jako wrote:its impossible to make this historically accurate as the entire era was not that well documented and ud might as well go with the novel if u want to be as accurate as possible.

Very good point! I forgot about the lack of solid well document history on the era!

Going to place this in the heap on a vacation!

going to get BI and C4 done before I come back to it.

gimil wrote:

jako wrote:its impossible to make this historically accurate as the entire era was not that well documented and ud might as well go with the novel if u want to be as accurate as possible.

Very good point! I forgot about the lack of solid well document history on the era!

thats why we have about 9 maps all conflicting each other.

Iv gone for the novel as far as i can whereas ian is going for history throughout.

You should incorporate some of the characters. Put in the Warlords and their Generals.
That's what makes these dynasties so interesting. A map without them would feel incomplete.

-Wei, lead by Cao Cao --> Xiahou Dun, Dian Wei, etc.
-Shu, lead by Liu Bei --> Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, etc.
-Wu, lead by Sun Jian or Sun Quan --> Gan Ning, Lu Meng, etc.

(I agree that if you need a record to follow, you should go with the novel)