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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby ZeakCytho on Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:27 pm

My vote goes to C.
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby Ruben Cassar on Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:20 pm

Apart from the sea issue...does anyone have other comments to make about the map or gameplay perhaps?
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby t-o-m on Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:26 pm

could you find a medium between 10 B and 10 C?
that would be absolute perfect for me :D
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby Ruben Cassar on Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:35 pm

t-o-m wrote:could you find a medium between 10 B and 10 C?
that would be absolute perfect for me :D


I said apart from the sea issue Tom! :p

Honestly I think I'm going to stick with C. It's grown on me and the majority prefer it.
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby RjBeals on Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:15 pm

C all the way for me!
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby t-o-m on Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:46 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:
t-o-m wrote:could you find a medium between 10 B and 10 C?
that would be absolute perfect for me :D


I said apart from the sea issue Tom! :p

hehe sorry - i think that everyone likes C then, but i prefer a mixture :D
gl on whatever you pick :)
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby wcaclimbing on Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:17 pm

I voted for light blue (B).
I think it would work best with the colors (red and purple) on the land in the image.

I see that the water is really pixelated. Would you be able to smooth it out some? right now it is really harsh and doesn't really look like water.
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby Ruben Cassar on Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:26 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:Apart from the sea issue...does anyone have other comments to make about the map or gameplay perhaps?
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby ZeakCytho on Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:29 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:Apart from the sea issue...does anyone have other comments to make about the map or gameplay perhaps?



:-k

I think the sea could use some work.

:lol:

On a more serious note, I think the territory name font is a bit small right now, and you certainly have room to make it larger. I also don't like how some names are black and some are white - maybe pick a single color that's legible on all backgrounds instead?
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby Qwert on Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:32 pm

A and B its almost same,well to me.
C is best of these three,but i think that can be more contrast,you know darken away from shore,and lighter close to shore.(beaches)
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby wcaclimbing on Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:39 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:Apart from the sea issue...does anyone have other comments to make about the map or gameplay perhaps?


#-o

Thats what I get for not reading the thread before I comment...

The land texture isn't working, in my mind. I see that it shows all the mountains and everything, its just too light right now. Maybe adjusting the Levels (in photoshop, at least) would help. Maybe making the light grays a bit darker would help.
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby Ruben Cassar on Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:56 pm

ZeakCytho wrote: :-k

I think the sea could use some work.

:lol:

On a more serious note, I think the territory name font is a bit small right now, and you certainly have room to make it larger. I also don't like how some names are black and some are white - maybe pick a single color that's legible on all backgrounds instead?


Yes, I will work a bit on the font. I'd like to have it one colour but I don't know if that's possible.

However contrary to what you think I don't have much room to make it larger. Remember I need to have space for the armies as well in those territories. I checked and I think it's as large as it can get. It's still legible though as it is.
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby Ruben Cassar on Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:00 pm

wcaclimbing wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:Apart from the sea issue...does anyone have other comments to make about the map or gameplay perhaps?


#-o

Thats what I get for not reading the thread before I comment...

The land texture isn't working, in my mind. I see that it shows all the mountains and everything, its just too light right now. Maybe adjusting the Levels (in photoshop, at least) would help. Maybe making the light grays a bit darker would help.


Hmm no worries mate.

Err...I don't know...I kind of like the shade of the land texture as it is now. I'll have to think a bit about this.
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby Ruben Cassar on Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:42 pm

Version 1.11 - Single colour territory font, new info in the bonus and map info section and 8 thicker army circles

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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby oaktown on Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:48 pm

poll results:

Which sea colour do you prefer? (Images can be seen on page 1 or page 2)

Version 1.10 A - Dark Blue: 2, 10%

Version 1.10 B - Light Blue: 5, 26%

Version 1.10 C - Aquamarine, 12, 63%

Total votes : 19
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby ZeakCytho on Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:51 pm

The red background for the top bit of the map (with the title, etc.) is very strong. I don't like the sharp contrast between that and the ocean/land right below it, but maybe others do? Personally, I'd make it a less bold red.

Also, the pictures of people in the title bar (I assume Hannibal and Scipio?) look a bit odd, with one having a white background and the other a grey one. Could you make them constant, preferably both with that grey background? And maybe label the pictures underneath, since you have room.

Someone mentioned this before, and I think I agree now. It looks a bit odd that the sea gets darker closer to land, when real oceans have the opposite effect. I'd keep the deep water the same color it is now and try to lighten the coasts. There's a good chance it will look like crap, though. ;)

Nice job on making the font uniform - it's all legible to me. I'd still like to see it bigger, but you do have some very tight areas, so if you don't think you have room, then keep it as is.

I'm not a huge fan of the purple color used for the Carthaginian territories...is there a specific reason why it's purple? Some other color may work better...maybe green? I like the Roman red.
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Vote in Sea Poll - map on pg. 1 & 2

Postby Ruben Cassar on Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:33 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:The red background for the top bit of the map (with the title, etc.) is very strong. I don't like the sharp contrast between that and the ocean/land right below it, but maybe others do? Personally, I'd make it a less bold red.


I toned it down already from the original red. I think I like it as it is.

ZeakCytho wrote:Also, the pictures of people in the title bar (I assume Hannibal and Scipio?) look a bit odd, with one having a white background and the other a grey one. Could you make them constant, preferably both with that grey background? And maybe label the pictures underneath, since you have room.


I think I can make the background similar yes. Hadn't actually thought about that. I can also add the names.

ZeakCytho wrote:Someone mentioned this before, and I think I agree now. It looks a bit odd that the sea gets darker closer to land, when real oceans have the opposite effect. I'd keep the deep water the same color it is now and try to lighten the coasts. There's a good chance it will look like crap, though. ;)


Hmm I am very satisfied with the sea as it is in this new version. The colour and texture are ideal for me and I don't think I will be touching them anymore. Of course I am sure not everyone will like them. It's a matter of personal taste at the end of the day.

ZeakCytho wrote:Nice job on making the font uniform - it's all legible to me. I'd still like to see it bigger, but you do have some very tight areas, so if you don't think you have room, then keep it as is.


Thanks. I'd like it to be bigger as well but I don't think I can. Once I have the XML ready with the army numbers in their appropriate territories I will check if I can increase the size a bit more.

ZeakCytho wrote:I'm not a huge fan of the purple color used for the Carthaginian territories...is there a specific reason why it's purple? Some other color may work better...maybe green? I like the Roman red.


Hmm many of the historical maps I checked out seemed to use red and purple. Romans are most of the time depicted in red. I assume that's because the legions used to wear red. I don't know if the Carthaginians had any specific colour but as I told you many maps depict their territories in purple and I like the colour. Definitely more than green! ;)

Thanks for your comments Zeak. No one has commented on the gameplay so far but I guess that will come at a later stage.
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Map on pg. 1 & 3

Postby Ruben Cassar on Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:12 am

Gimil any chance of moving this one to an advanced idea to get a bit more exposure?

I mean I don't like to complain or anything but I think I have all the requirements to get the idea stamp already on this one and I still haven't reached advanced ideas stamp!
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Map on pg. 1 & 3

Postby gimil on Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:48 am

Rubean your such a windge some times!

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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Map on pg. 1 & 3

Postby Ruben Cassar on Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:16 am

gimil wrote:Rubean your such a windge some times!

[adv. idea]


*pondering what windge means* Gimil...I am still trying to evaluate whether you spell my name wrongly on purpose or whether it's a genuine spelling mistake. I'm sure I will come up with an answer one of these days! :)
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Map on pg. 1 & 3

Postby gimil on Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:32 am

Ruben Cassar wrote:
gimil wrote:Rubean your such a windge some times!

[adv. idea]


*pondering what windge means* Gimil...I am still trying to evaluate whether you spell my name wrongly on purpose or whether it's a genuine spelling mistake. I'm sure I will come up with an answer one of these days! :)


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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Map on pg. 1 & 3

Postby TaCktiX on Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:25 pm

I think the one bone I have is that the entire legend mentions starting neutrals and whatever else. People will be able to SEE the starting neutrals when they join a game. People will be able to SEE where everybody else started. It seems like the legend is making concessions for people with observation skills nonexistent (a bad problem in a game like CC).

Otherwise, I really like the map concept and I think you could go lots of places with it, provided there are a few neutral adjustments here and there (I think they're all too steep right now).
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Map on pg. 1 & 3

Postby Ruben Cassar on Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:02 am

TaCktiX wrote:I think the one bone I have is that the entire legend mentions starting neutrals and whatever else. People will be able to SEE the starting neutrals when they join a game. People will be able to SEE where everybody else started. It seems like the legend is making concessions for people with observation skills nonexistent (a bad problem in a game like CC).

Otherwise, I really like the map concept and I think you could go lots of places with it, provided there are a few neutral adjustments here and there (I think they're all too steep right now).


Hi Tacktix. I prefer to add more info in the legend so that all people who play the map understand it. Personally I don't usually play this style of map and I always have a difficulty to understand the more complex maps. Some extra info won't do any harm.

I agree with you that the neutrals need some adjustment but so far I haven't had any input on the gameplay aspect from the community. Hopefully when this gets into the main foundry more people like oak and gimil will make gameplay comments and we'll be able to look into that issue.
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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Map on pg. 1 & 3

Postby gimil on Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:40 pm

I dont want you in here anymore.

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Re: ROMA: Second Punic War - Map on pg. 1 & 3

Postby Kaplowitz on Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:49 pm

Gimil! Have some consistency! I understand your argument that Ruben is a great mapmaker (and don't get me wrong. I love the map, its gorgeous!) but a lot of newbies get confused when a map is moved so fast. Since [adv. idea] there has been one comment, a reply and a stamp! Couldn't you at least wait for another update?!

Well anyway congratz. :)

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Some small gfx things:
-the purple dots from Cartenna to P/Cornelius Scipio look too big, fuzzy, and close together. Same with the one from Zama.
-I really dont like the thick border around the islands, could you make it thinner? It's just my opinion though.
-Could you enlarge Melita a bit? It took me a while to see.
-Could you make the attack lines through the water a little easier to see?
-Can you make the border between Tarraco and Massilia a little more noticeable?
-Can you make the BG of the picture of Hannibal the same is the picture of Cornelius?

Its looking great!
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