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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.3 on First post)

Postby rsacheli on Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:05 pm

MrBenn wrote:I'm unable to see your most recent image.

idk why... it shows up for me... perhaps its something with your settings or your browser...
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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.3 on First post)

Postby Ethitts on Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:23 am

So... is there a new update on this? I don't actually know. Each time you put an update on can you list what changes you have made? I can't tell the difference between V4.2 and V4.3. Also, post the new update as a new post in the thread (the image and the updates made). It just gives people who are keeping track of this map a better understanding of what's going on.
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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.3 on First post)

Postby rsacheli on Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:11 am

rsacheli wrote:I will reduce the attack lines some more for my next update... I have also added the numbers for each territ name...

I recently lost my internet access at home, so there might be a little delay before my next update... i do still have internet access at work and school, but can not upload from work... I have been sick so I havent been in class for the last week, I hope to return to class sometime either this week or next...


as it says there will be a delay so there has not been a new update for some time.




I will post the newest updates in a new post when uploaded, as well as update the first post including a briefing of what was updated.
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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.3 on First post)

Postby rsacheli on Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:24 pm

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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.4 on First post and page5)

Postby gimil on Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:48 pm

[adv. idea]

Basic info missing from the first post mate!
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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.4 on First post and page5)

Postby benny profane on Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:27 am

Hey dude...I'm sorry but I can't remember everything we talked about in the chat.
But I do know that discussion of gameplay is paramount.
Some folks are in favor of bonuses for each constellation, and I agree. They shouldn't have to run too high.
This would open up more creative possibilities for gameplay.
What do other people think about this?
The lines of attack seem pretty fair to me as they are now.
I don't have any problems with them (although the connection b/t Pisces 9 - 11 is a different color than the others...?).
I'm not sure where I stand on the black hole thing. Some people think the sun would make more sense.
Would it make much difference if a -10 was on a black hole or a sun?
We did talk about the possibility of the elemental part of the legend being unclear to the colorblind.
But I think you said you'd run the image by Oaktown, right?
Looking forward to the update on monday...
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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.4 on First post and page5)

Postby yeti_c on Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:23 am

Yeah - whilst I like the Elemental bonuses - and the Seasonal bonuses - it's going to be a long time before anyone can get any of those with the sheer number of territories to conquer...

I suggest having bonuses for the actual signs too.

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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.4 on First post and page5)

Postby rsacheli on Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:01 pm

What I have done thus far...

I have typed up everything i need to add to the first post including a few alternate ideas that Could be implemented very easily. Included in this is a general idea for how the starting drop would go for any number of players... (i even have a new gameplay option idea within that and will post it in the appropriate area when i update)

I have assigned bonus values of 3-8 to each constellation (and as stated in the yet-to-be posted update possible change to the calculations of the group bonues)

I have also come up with an alternate to a -10 bonus for the black hole

I am still working on redoing the legend so that it all fits, is readable, etc... this is proving to be somewhat difficult and I am considering expanding some of the bonus text to the outer edge of the map.

I have changed the demensions of the map by increasing the width by 30px

I have removed a few more attack lines... ones that seemed to be pointless, (which includes the Pisces 9-11)



Update should be posted on monday evening (approx 80 hours from now)
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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.4 on First post and page5)

Postby bbqpenguin on Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:44 pm

rsacheli wrote:What I have done thus far...

I have typed up everything i need to add to the first post including a few alternate ideas that Could be implemented very easily. Included in this is a general idea for how the starting drop would go for any number of players... (i even have a new gameplay option idea within that and will post it in the appropriate area when i update)

I have assigned bonus values of 3-8 to each constellation (and as stated in the yet-to-be posted update possible change to the calculations of the group bonues)

I have also come up with an alternate to a -10 bonus for the black hole

I am still working on redoing the legend so that it all fits, is readable, etc... this is proving to be somewhat difficult and I am considering expanding some of the bonus text to the outer edge of the map.

I have changed the demensions of the map by increasing the width by 30px

I have removed a few more attack lines... ones that seemed to be pointless, (which includes the Pisces 9-11)



Update should be posted on monday evening (approx 80 hours from now)



this is looking much better rs, a big improvement. i look forward to the update
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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.4 on First post and page5)

Postby MrBenn on Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:34 am

One of the issues about using territories that are numbered, is when you have the same two numbers bordering a territory... Sagittarius 6 borders Sagittarius 5 and Scorpio 5... there may be some others too...
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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.4 on First post and page5)

Postby Androidz on Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:38 am

Verry nice graphicskills you have rcaselli
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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.4 on First post and page5)

Postby TaCktiX on Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:36 pm

My main issue is the entire map is now universally too dark. The territories end up looking like they're blurrier than they really are, and the between-continent connections are harder to see. Any chance of lightening these two?

Also, I would suggest adding some sort of killer neutral to the black hole, as right now it's ridiculously powerful with connections to 13 territories and 6 continents. Making it killer neutral will make it a transport point instead of a place to stick massive stacks of armies to threaten the breaking of any bonus near it.

Also, the gradient on the title makes the wording on the Seasons harder to read. Instead of ending with straight white, perhaps a darker off-white?
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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.4 on First post and page5)

Postby rsacheli on Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:19 pm

MrBenn wrote:One of the issues about using territories that are numbered, is when you have the same two numbers bordering a territory... Sagittarius 6 borders Sagittarius 5 and Scorpio 5... there may be some others too...



Im just curious if you could further explain why this is an issue that they border each other? if its the confusion factor, then thats too easy of a change... if its just people are too lazy to pay attention to what they are selecting (they see and s and a 5 and assume) then thats a little harder to fix :twisted: especially since i dont have anyones addresses... :twisted:
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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.4 on First post and page5)

Postby yeti_c on Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:22 pm

rsacheli wrote:
MrBenn wrote:One of the issues about using territories that are numbered, is when you have the same two numbers bordering a territory... Sagittarius 6 borders Sagittarius 5 and Scorpio 5... there may be some others too...



Im just curious if you could further explain why this is an issue that they border each other? if its the confusion factor, then thats too easy of a change... if its just people are too lazy to pay attention to what they are selecting (they see and s and a 5 and assume) then thats a little harder to fix :twisted: especially since i dont have anyones addresses... :twisted:


Try playing Feudal war - that map has several territories that do this - and it causes misdeploys & attacks...

It is a legitimate concern - and a simple renumbering of the territories can fix it.

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Re: Zodiac Map(v4.4 on First post and page5)

Postby rsacheli on Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:03 pm

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rsacheli wrote:
MrBenn wrote:One of the issues about using territories that are numbered, is when you have the same two numbers bordering a territory... Sagittarius 6 borders Sagittarius 5 and Scorpio 5... there may be some others too...



Im just curious if you could further explain why this is an issue that they border each other? if its the confusion factor, then thats too easy of a change... if its just people are too lazy to pay attention to what they are selecting (they see and s and a 5 and assume) then thats a little harder to fix :twisted: especially since i dont have anyones addresses... :twisted:


Try playing Feudal war - that map has several territories that do this - and it causes misdeploys & attacks...

It is a legitimate concern - and a simple renumbering of the territories can fix it.

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understood, will renumber a few before i post my update in a bit...
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Re: Zodiac Map(v5.0 on First post and page5)

Postby rsacheli on Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:32 pm

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Re: Zodiac Map(v5.1 on First post and page6)

Postby rsacheli on Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:10 pm

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Re: Zodiac Map(v5.1 on First post and page6)

Postby The Neon Peon on Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:21 pm

I understood it clearly before, but I think the wording could be improved on the black hole bonus. why not just leave it at "-3 per bonus area held"? that is how most other maps do it.
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Re: Zodiac Map(v5.1 on First post and page6)

Postby rsacheli on Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:41 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:I understood it clearly before, but I think the wording could be improved on the black hole bonus. why not just leave it at "-3 per bonus area held"? that is how most other maps do it.



im taking a page out of 8 thoughts with the -amount per bonus area held, but I want a flat rate negative so that if someone holds it but doesnt have any other constellations, they will still get the negative...
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Re: Zodiac Map(v5.2 on First post and page6)

Postby rsacheli on Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:41 pm

Here is an alternate legend...
which do people like more??

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Re: Zodiac Map(v5.2 on First post and page6)

Postby bbqpenguin on Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:45 pm

black hole thing is a little hard to read
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Re: Zodiac Map(v5.2 on First post and page6)

Postby rsacheli on Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:07 pm

bbqpenguin wrote:black hole thing is a little hard to read

will be fixed shortly... anything else?
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Re: Zodiac Map(v5.2 on First post and page6)

Postby bbqpenguin on Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:19 pm

rsacheli wrote:
bbqpenguin wrote:black hole thing is a little hard to read

will be fixed shortly... anything else?


eh, i dunno... i kind of think the black hole is a little excessivly complicated, but that might just be my stupidity and laziness showing. i think it would be easier to simply have 10 neutrals on there that respawn every turn , similar to the walls on the maze craze map or something, rather than messing with people's bonuses
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Re: Zodiac Map(v5.2 on First post and page6)

Postby rsacheli on Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:14 pm

i just overrode the previous... how is that for readable??

Anyone else have thoughts on the Black hole bonus thing????
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Re: Zodiac Map(v5.2 on First post and page6)

Postby The Neon Peon on Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:29 pm

Make it a negative bonus per continent held, not the whole "+ # of continent held"

Simply have it read: "-5 per bonus region held"
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