[Abandoned] - Romania

[Juan_Bottom]

Done.

Thanks oaktown.

Actually, it takes me forever to view this map. I gave up a while ago.

[Incandenza]

In a 1v1 game, starting with a +1 is not insurmountable, but the concern would be that starting with a +1, as well as the +2 Dobrogea would be a problem. For sure, those three territories should be coded in a way that no single player starts with all three.

Just felt like pointing out that the drop doesn't work that way. You can't code maps to prevent a certain type of drop (tho that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world).

[gdeangel]

In a 1v1 game, starting with a +1 is not insurmountable, but the concern would be that starting with a +1, as well as the +2 Dobrogea would be a problem. For sure, those three territories should be coded in a way that no single player starts with all three.

Just felt like pointing out that the drop doesn't work that way. You can't code maps to prevent a certain type of drop (tho that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world).

I'm not so sure about that. I remember reading something about this a while ago that you can fix a drop so that certain territories are not held together. I think this is a link to it. http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23382#p1070531. Apparently this is a part of the XML (critical to finessing the gameplay IMHO) that is just not being used by many of the mapmakers here.

Here's another thought about Bucharest: you could only give a +1 for Bucharest if the player meets some other condition, such as holding a region. The San Francisco map does this with Alcatraz: holding Alcatraz gives an additional +1 for every region held. Might not be a great idea, but I thought I'd throw it out there for consideration.

I like this idea that holding the capital would give a "power boost" to a provincial duke or such makes a lot of sense, even though holding the capital alone might not generate sufficient power to add troops to a campaign. On the other hand, this could make things unnecessarily complicated, and also you still have to protect against someone getting the two greens and Bucharest on the drop, which I think is possible per the XML guide discussed in my link above.

[foregone]

Done.

Thanks oaktown.

Actually, it takes me forever to view this map. I gave up a while ago.

Sucks. Seems to happen with a couple of maps though? Slow connection?

In a 1v1 game, starting with a +1 is not insurmountable, but the concern would be that starting with a +1, as well as the +2 Dobrogea would be a problem. For sure, those three territories should be coded in a way that no single player starts with all three.

Just felt like pointing out that the drop doesn't work that way. You can't code maps to prevent a certain type of drop (tho that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world).

I'm not so sure about that. I remember reading something about this a while ago that you can fix a drop so that certain territories are not held together. I think this is a link to it. http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23382#p1070531. Apparently this is a part of the XML (critical to finessing the gameplay IMHO) that is just not being used by many of the mapmakers here.

Here's another thought about Bucharest: you could only give a +1 for Bucharest if the player meets some other condition, such as holding a region. The San Francisco map does this with Alcatraz: holding Alcatraz gives an additional +1 for every region held. Might not be a great idea, but I thought I'd throw it out there for consideration.

I like this idea that holding the capital would give a "power boost" to a provincial duke or such makes a lot of sense, even though holding the capital alone might not generate sufficient power to add troops to a campaign. On the other hand, this could make things unnecessarily complicated, and also you still have to protect against someone getting the two greens and Bucharest on the drop, which I think is possible per the XML guide discussed in my link above.

Getting very complex for my very new mapmaking skills, but let me give it a shot. If I read the XML correctly (BIG if), I could ensure that Dobrogea is divied up to ensure that noone drops all 3 territories. By using that code I could just define all 3 territories as start positions which would ensure that noone drops the whole territory BUT if I employed the code theres a chance (possibly guaranteed if I include all 3 as positions) that in 1v1 one person could/would drop 2 Dogrogea territories giving it a better shot at an easier take than just allowing for the possibility of neutral drop too. I'm not sure that even if I employed it in this case that that would be an improvement. While I'm willing to do something like this in the XML it just seems that it might be better leaving it alone. Maybe yeti could pop in and try to make sense of my reading of that XML tag.

On the second point (Bucharest acting as a boost territory). I can make it give +1 but not a conditional autodeploy as I understand it. I think this might unwittingly make Dobrogea even more attractive as it might be the easiest way to get an extra +1 with pretty easy expansion. I'm not sure this will help the gameplay.

I'm quite happy with expanding the mountain "pass" at Bazau to include Brasov. Maybe, to balance Dobrogea and the possibility of a better drop there I could just return Maramures to a +4. This way while one side takes Dobrogea the other can consolidate a slightly larger bonus on the other side of the map and it won't be unbalanced?

So, considering the current line of commentary... my idea would just be to increase the mountain "pass" a bit and return the Maramures bonus to 4. Seems simplest to me while addressing the worst of the difficulties. Yay nay?

[gdeangel]

I think you can pick 2 of the 3 territories and use the start position feature on them. Or else make is to that Bucharest gets deployed to one side, but starts out with only 2 (i.e., with the +1 autodeploy, there would be less "drop bonus" - it would be a 3 when the player starts, but level things out a little.

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Updates: Opened up the mountains to add Brasov - Bazau as a border.
Did the XML as it is now. Included positions tag for Constanta and South Tulcea to ensure that Dobrogea isn't given out on the drop (which particularly addresses 1v1).

I realise I'm jumping the gun a little with the XML but figured since I was working with the concepts I might as well do it. Putting it up here so long but will hold off on submitting the XML.

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
   <title>Romania</title>
   <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>465</smallheight>
   <largewidth>800</largewidth>
   <largeheight>590</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>

<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>Constanţa</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Danube Delta</territory>
   </position>
</positions>

<continent>
   <name>Maramures</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Satu Mare</territory>
      <territory>Bihor</territory>
      <territory>Maramureş</territory>
      <territory>Sălaj</territory>
      <territory>Cluj</territory>
      <territory>Bistriţa</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Transylvania</name>
   <bonus>7</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Arad</territory>
      <territory>Timiş</territory>
      <territory>Caraş-Severin</territory>
      <territory>Hunedoara</territory>
      <territory>Alba</territory>
      <territory>Mureş</territory>
      <territory>Sibiu</territory>
      <territory>Harghita</territory>
      <territory>Braşov</territory>
      <territory>Covasna</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Olt</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Mehedinţi</territory>
      <territory>Gorj</territory>
      <territory>Dolj</territory>
      <territory>Vâlcea</territory>
      <territory>Olt</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Muntenia</name>
   <bonus>6</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Argeş</territory>
      <territory>Teleorman</territory>
      <territory>Dâmboviţa</territory>
      <territory>Giurgiu</territory>
      <territory>Prahova</territory>
      <territory>Bucharest</territory>
      <territory>Buzău</territory>
      <territory>Ialomiţa</territory>
      <territory>Brăila</territory>
      <territory>Călăraşi</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Dobrogea</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Tulcea</territory>
      <territory>Danube Delta</territory>
      <territory>Constanţa</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Moldavia</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Suceava</territory>
      <territory>Botoşani</territory>
      <territory>Neamţ</territory>
      <territory>Iaşi</territory>
      <territory>Bacău</territory>
      <territory>Vaslui</territory>
      <territory>Vrancea</territory>
      <territory>Galaţi</territory>
   </components>
</continent>


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      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
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      <largey>126</largey>
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      <border>Cluj</border>
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      <smally>98</smally>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>

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   </coordinates>
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      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
      <border>Suceava</border>
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      <smally>140</smally>
      <largex>345</largex>
      <largey>174</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

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   <borders>
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      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
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      <smally>162</smally>
      <largex>281</largex>
      <largey>201</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>


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   <borders>
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      <border>Alba</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
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      <largex>85</largex>
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   </coordinates>
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   <borders>
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      <border>Hunedoara</border>
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      <smally>318</smally>
      <largex>151</largex>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>

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   <name>Hunedoara</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Arad</border>
      <border>Timiş</border>
      <border>Caraş-Severin</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
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      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
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      <border>Bihor</border>
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      <smally>227</smally>
      <largex>270</largex>
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</territory>

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   <borders>
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      <border>Sibiu</border>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Harghita</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
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   <borders>
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   <borders>
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      <border>Covasna</border>
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      <smally>199</smally>
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      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Harghita</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
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      <smally>251</smally>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>

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   <borders>
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      <border>Harghita</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
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      <smally>264</smally>
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   <name>Teleorman</name>
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      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Bucharest</border>
      <border>Călăraşi</border>
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</territory>

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      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
      <border>Călăraşi</border>
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      <border>Bucharest</border>
      <border>Prahova</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Călăraşi</border>
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      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
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      <largex>542</largex>
      <largey>496</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Brăila</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Buzău</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Tulcea</border>
      <border>Danube Delta</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>464</smallx>
      <smally>336</smally>
      <largex>600</largex>
      <largey>418</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Tulcea</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Danube Delta</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>579</smallx>
      <smally>320</smally>
      <largex>735</largex>
      <largey>399</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Danube Delta</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Tulcea</border>
      <border>Constanţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>525</smallx>
      <smally>343</smally>
      <largex>671</largex>
      <largey>428</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Constanţa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Danube Delta</border>
    </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>514</smallx>
      <smally>398</smally>
      <largex>653</largex>
      <largey>501</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Suceava</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
      <border>Botoşani</border>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>350</smallx>
      <smally>101</smally>
      <largex>453</largex>
      <largey>120</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Botoşani</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Suceava</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>413</smallx>
      <smally>82</smally>
      <largex>526</largex>
      <largey>98</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Neamţ</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Suceava</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Bacău</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>387</smallx>
      <smally>159</smally>
      <largex>492</largex>
      <largey>197</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Iaşi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Botoşani</border>
      <border>Suceava</border>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>449</smallx>
      <smally>139</smally>
      <largex>566</largex>
      <largey>169</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bacău</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>419</smallx>
      <smally>215</smally>
      <largex>529</largex>
      <largey>265</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Vaslui</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bacău</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>479</smallx>
      <smally>208</smally>
      <largex>608</largex>
      <largey>257</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Vrancea</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Buzău</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
      <border>Bacău</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>425</smallx>
      <smally>272</smally>
      <largex>539</largex>
      <largey>338</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Galaţi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Tulcea</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>482</smallx>
      <smally>271</smally>
      <largex>613</largex>
      <largey>342</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>


</map>

[gdeangel]

As I was looking at your prototype unit counts, it occurs to me that if you want this to play slightly different than a normal "classic clone", i.e., the way I was talking about mobility and getting boxed in, you could leave all the mountain ranges as is, and then bottle up the passes with a huge number - say 50 - of neutrals (and leave the low bonuses like you have now...) You need to make sure the XML shuffles players with an equal number on each side of the borders. It will play a little bit like Arms Race but without the "winner take all" nuclear option. This idea maybe capture the reality of parts of Romania being really effectively isolated from other parts of the country through most of history.

TO be more specific, I think you could do it by making Caras-Severin, Mehedili, Bazau, Braila, Vrancea, Covasna, and Brazof all start with 50 neutral, and get rid of the Auto-deploy for Bucharest. Game would shape up into some pretty massive build games, with some possible value to hold Debrogea, but put a bridge to connect BOTH Calarasi and Iaolimila into Debrogea to make it more vulnerable to attack.

Too bad you can't easily prototype and try out that the gameplay. If it's an idea you like, and you don't like putting more passes in the mountains, though, you might want to consider it.

[ZeakCytho]

As I was looking at your prototype unit counts, it occurs to me that if you want this to play slightly different than a normal "classic clone", i.e., the way I was talking about mobility and getting boxed in, you could leave all the mountain ranges as is, and then bottle up the passes with a huge number - say 50 - of neutrals (and leave the low bonuses like you have now...) You need to make sure the XML shuffles players with an equal number on each side of the borders. It will play a little bit like Arms Race but without the "winner take all" nuclear option. This idea maybe capture the reality of parts of Romania being really effectively isolated from other parts of the country through most of history.

Too bad you can't easily prototype and try out that the gameplay. If it's an idea you like, and you don't like putting more passes in the mountains, though, you might want to consider it.

I'm strongly against that. Classic gameplay is the way to go for a geographic map.

[gdeangel]

As I was looking at your prototype unit counts, it occurs to me that if you want this to play slightly different than a normal "classic clone", i.e., the way I was talking about mobility and getting boxed in, you could leave all the mountain ranges as is, and then bottle up the passes with a huge number - say 50 - of neutrals (and leave the low bonuses like you have now...) You need to make sure the XML shuffles players with an equal number on each side of the borders. It will play a little bit like Arms Race but without the "winner take all" nuclear option. This idea maybe capture the reality of parts of Romania being really effectively isolated from other parts of the country through most of history.

Too bad you can't easily prototype and try out that the gameplay. If it's an idea you like, and you don't like putting more passes in the mountains, though, you might want to consider it.

I'm strongly against that. Classic gameplay is the way to go for a geographic map.

Why no imagination? There are tons of geographic "classic" maps out there already. They play with differing degrees of fluidity, but this layout has some real challenges due to all the impassible mountain ranges (see my comments on prior page). The suggest I just made, as I understand it, would be true to the region, where, for example, Transylvania was really cut off from the rest of the area and developed really its own culture. You might as well say a map like Brittish Isles is not more fun to play with Hadrian's wall.

[ZeakCytho]

You might as well say a map like Brittish Isles is not more fun to play with Hadrian's wall.

I do say that to myself, fairly often.

I just don't see the benefit of adding more complicated elements to this map. It's slightly more accurate to history, but throws a monkey wrench in the nice classic gameplay. I don't see how the benefit is good enough that it's worth reconsidering the balance of the whole map.

[gdeangel]

You might as well say a map like Brittish Isles is not more fun to play with Hadrian's wall.

I do say that to myself, fairly often.

I just don't see the benefit of adding more complicated elements to this map. It's slightly more accurate to history, but throws a monkey wrench in the nice classic gameplay. I don't see how the benefit is good enough that it's worth reconsidering the balance of the whole map.

Problem is you're not going to get "nice classic gameplay" anyway because of the bottleneck in the mountains (at least not without some massive alterations to bypass / cut them. And classic is not cherry either. This bottleneck in Australia is entirely exploitable in most games. Here you have three key bottlenecks with large sub-populations on each side of the bottleneck. It's not entirely out of line to use them in the gameplay design.

[foregone]

I think I'd rather stick to the more classic-esque gameplay here. Because of the mountain ranges games will in all likelihood end up playing similar to your suggestion without adding the 50 neutrals regardless. But if I add that it'll seriously mess with 4+ player games in my mind. And while possible to try and drop people only one side or the other I think that may make the drop all too mapped.

The mountain range is a predominant feature on this map but I don't think it makes the two "zones" inpenatrable, nor unholdable, and while people will move to secure their positions up to the mountain passes its unlikely that this will be overly easy. I'm with Zeak on this one.

[ZeakCytho]

One gameplay suggestion: if you open up the mountains between Bislrila and Suceava, the number of territories it takes to defend Maramures remains the same, so I believe a +3 is still appropriate; however, the number of territories it takes to defend Maramures and Transylvania combined is rasied by 1. This also increases Moldavia's borders by 1, but I think that +4 is still reasonable for 8 territories/3 borders.

[foregone]

One gameplay suggestion: if you open up the mountains between Bislrila and Suceava, the number of territories it takes to defend Maramures remains the same, so I believe a +3 is still appropriate; however, the number of territories it takes to defend Maramures and Transylvania combined is rasied by 1. This also increases Moldavia's borders by 1, but I think that +4 is still reasonable for 8 territories/3 borders.

Opening up a pass on that side has been raised before, can't remember precisely why it was shelved, will take a look through the thread. I have no particular issues with doing it though. If this opinion prevails but the time I make it home tonight (can only work on it then anyway, heh) I'll cut through a pass there and leave the bonuses the same. Is everybody happy with the graphics as is?

[Sven Hassel]

good job and good luck with it, i'd love to see it quenched
i've noticed some spelling mistakes:
Botoşami > Botoşani
Neamt > Neamţ
Galati > Galaţi
Bazău > Buzău
Ialomita > Ialomiţa
Constanta > Constanţa
Dimbovita > Dâmboviţa
Mehedinti > Mehedinţi
Vîlcea > Vâlcea
Bistrita > Bistriţa

And instead of N Tulcea and S Tulcea, divide them into Tulcea and Danube Delta.

[yeti_c]

Just to ensure you understand this...

<positions>
<position>
<territory>Constanta</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>South Tulcea</territory>
</position>
</positions>

This stuff will only happen in 1v1 games and will be ignored by any other game type. (Due to number of positions (2))

So you might want to run some maths against possible starts with the 3 territories for larger players... however - it is less of an issue than with 1v1 as at least you then have someone else fighting with you to reduce the dominant player!

C.

[foregone]

One gameplay suggestion: if you open up the mountains between Bislrila and Suceava, the number of territories it takes to defend Maramures remains the same, so I believe a +3 is still appropriate; however, the number of territories it takes to defend Maramures and Transylvania combined is rasied by 1. This also increases Moldavia's borders by 1, but I think that +4 is still reasonable for 8 territories/3 borders.

Opening up a pass on that side has been raised before, can't remember precisely why it was shelved, will take a look through the thread. I have no particular issues with doing it though. If this opinion prevails but the time I make it home tonight (can only work on it then anyway, heh) I'll cut through a pass there and leave the bonuses the same. Is everybody happy with the graphics as is?

Busy with that now.

good job and good luck with it, i'd love to see it quenched
i've noticed some spelling mistakes:
Botoşami > Botoşani
Neamt > Neamţ
Galati > Galaţi
Bazău > Buzău
Ialomita > Ialomiţa
Constanta > Constanţa
Dimbovita > Dâmboviţa
Mehedinti > Mehedinţi
Vîlcea > Vâlcea
Bistrita > Bistriţa

And instead of N Tulcea and S Tulcea, divide them into Tulcea and Danube Delta.

Yay! A Romanian! Thanks for the corrections. The maps I have either have it wrong or I have some permanent block against reading it correctly. Will change those up, hopefully the ţ is recognized in the XML. Also, assume you meant N Tulcea should be Tulcea and S Tulcea Danube Delta?

Just to ensure you understand this...

<positions>
<position>
<territory>Constanta</territory>
</position>
<position>
<territory>South Tulcea</territory>
</position>
</positions>

This stuff will only happen in 1v1 games and will be ignored by any other game type. (Due to number of positions (2))

So you might want to run some maths against possible starts with the 3 territories for larger players... however - it is less of an issue than with 1v1 as at least you then have someone else fighting with you to reduce the dominant player!

C.

I was only really worried about the 1v1 but thanks for the explanations (because I didn't really know this ) As you said, in 3 player dropping Dobrogea has less of an impact but unsure of how to work out the odds of it happening regardless. Anybody know of a formula? (My leet maths skills were left in my other pants).

[foregone]

Update 12 : Gameplay

Added the mountain pass between Bistrita and Suceava. Corrected all the spelling mistakes on the map and in the XML.

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XML:

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
   <title>Romania</title>
   <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>465</smallheight>
   <largewidth>800</largewidth>
   <largeheight>590</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>

<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>Constanţa</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Danube Delta</territory>
   </position>
</positions>

<continent>
   <name>Maramures</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Satu Mare</territory>
      <territory>Bihor</territory>
      <territory>Maramureş</territory>
      <territory>Sălaj</territory>
      <territory>Cluj</territory>
      <territory>Bistriţa</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Transylvania</name>
   <bonus>7</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Arad</territory>
      <territory>Timiş</territory>
      <territory>Caraş-Severin</territory>
      <territory>Hunedoara</territory>
      <territory>Alba</territory>
      <territory>Mureş</territory>
      <territory>Sibiu</territory>
      <territory>Harghita</territory>
      <territory>Braşov</territory>
      <territory>Covasna</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Olt</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Mehedinţi</territory>
      <territory>Gorj</territory>
      <territory>Dolj</territory>
      <territory>Vâlcea</territory>
      <territory>Olt</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Muntenia</name>
   <bonus>6</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Argeş</territory>
      <territory>Teleorman</territory>
      <territory>Dâmboviţa</territory>
      <territory>Giurgiu</territory>
      <territory>Prahova</territory>
      <territory>Bucharest</territory>
      <territory>Buzău</territory>
      <territory>Ialomiţa</territory>
      <territory>Brăila</territory>
      <territory>Călăraşi</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Dobrogea</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Tulcea</territory>
      <territory>Danube Delta</territory>
      <territory>Constanţa</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Moldavia</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Suceava</territory>
      <territory>Botoşani</territory>
      <territory>Neamţ</territory>
      <territory>Iaşi</territory>
      <territory>Bacău</territory>
      <territory>Vaslui</territory>
      <territory>Vrancea</territory>
      <territory>Galaţi</territory>
   </components>
</continent>


<territory>
   <name>Satu Mare</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bihor</border>
      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>166</smallx>
      <smally>108</smally>
      <largex>214</largex>
      <largey>126</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Maramureş</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Satu Mare</border>
      <border>Cluj</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>244</smallx>
      <smally>98</smally>
      <largex>303</largex>
      <largey>116</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bihor</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Satu Mare</border>
      <border>Arad</border>
      <border>Alba</border>   
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>130</smallx>
      <smally>129</smally>
      <largex>163</largex>
      <largey>158</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Sălaj</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Bihor</border>
      <border>Satu Mare</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>182</smallx>
      <smally>148</smally>
      <largex>233</largex>
      <largey>175</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bistriţa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
      <border>Suceava</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>271</smallx>
      <smally>140</smally>
      <largex>345</largex>
      <largey>174</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Cluj</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bihor</border>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>220</smallx>
      <smally>162</smally>
      <largex>281</largex>
      <largey>201</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>


<territory>
   <name>Arad</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bihor</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
      <border>Timiş</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>109</smallx>
      <smally>204</smally>
      <largex>141</largex>
      <largey>252</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Timiş</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Arad</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
      <border>Caraş-Severin</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>53</smallx>
      <smally>262</smally>
      <largex>85</largex>
      <largey>327</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Caraş-Severin</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Timiş</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
      <border>Mehedinţi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>115</smallx>
      <smally>318</smally>
      <largex>151</largex>
      <largey>395</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Hunedoara</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Arad</border>
      <border>Timiş</border>
      <border>Caraş-Severin</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>177</smallx>
      <smally>267</smally>
      <largex>220</largex>
      <largey>334</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Alba</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Arad</border>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
      <border>Sibiu</border>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Bihor</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>215</smallx>
      <smally>227</smally>
      <largex>270</largex>
      <largey>280</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Mureş</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Sibiu</border>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Harghita</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>280</smallx>
      <smally>180</smally>
      <largex>354</largex>
      <largey>229</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Sibiu</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>260</smallx>
      <smally>247</smally>
      <largex>333</largex>
      <largey>307</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Harghita</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>322</smallx>
      <smally>199</smally>
      <largex>411</largex>
      <largey>250</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Braşov</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sibiu</border>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Harghita</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>311</smallx>
      <smally>251</smally>
      <largex>397</largex>
      <largey>313</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Covasna</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Harghita</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>372</smallx>
      <smally>264</smally>
      <largex>476</largex>
      <largey>329</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Mehedinţi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Caraş-Severin</border>
      <border>Gorj</border>
      <border>Dolj</border>
    </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>171</smallx>
      <smally>379</smally>
      <largex>218</largex>
      <largey>474</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Gorj</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vâlcea</border>
      <border>Mehedinţi</border>
      <border>Dolj</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>204</smallx>
      <smally>331</smally>
      <largex>263</largex>
      <largey>416</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Dolj</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Mehedinţi</border>
      <border>Gorj</border>
      <border>Vâlcea</border>
      <border>Olt</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>204</smallx>
      <smally>400</smally>
      <largex>260</largex>
      <largey>504</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Vâlcea</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Gorj</border>
      <border>Argeş</border>
      <border>Olt</border>
      <border>Dolj</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>249</smallx>
      <smally>337</smally>
      <largex>319</largex>
      <largey>416</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Olt</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vâlcea</border>
      <border>Argeş</border>
      <border>Teleorman</border>
      <border>Dolj</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>267</smallx>
      <smally>404</smally>
      <largex>341</largex>
      <largey>506</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Argeş</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vâlcea</border>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Teleorman</border>
      <border>Olt</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>289</smallx>
      <smally>320</smally>
      <largex>369</largex>
      <largey>436</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Teleorman</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Giurgiu</border>
      <border>Argeş</border>
      <border>Olt</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>315</smallx>
      <smally>407</smally>
      <largex>402</largex>
      <largey>512</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Dâmboviţa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bucharest</border>
      <border>Giurgiu</border>
      <border>Argeş</border>
      <border>Teleorman</border>
      <border>Prahova</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>332</smallx>
      <smally>340</smally>
      <largex>419</largex>
      <largey>424</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Giurgiu</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Teleorman</border>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Bucharest</border>
      <border>Călăraşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>359</smallx>
      <smally>430</smally>
      <largex>468</largex>
      <largey>534</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Prahova</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Bucharest</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>369</smallx>
      <smally>347</smally>
      <largex>476</largex>
      <largey>430</largey>

   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bucharest</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Prahova</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
      <border>Călăraşi</border>
      <border>Giurgiu</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>377</smallx>
      <smally>387</smally>
      <largex>480</largex>
      <largey>485</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Buzău</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Prahova</border>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>415</smallx>
      <smally>323</smally>
      <largex>528</largex>
      <largey>400</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Ialomiţa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bucharest</border>
      <border>Prahova</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Călăraşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>458</smallx>
      <smally>370</smally>
      <largex>579</largex>
      <largey>464</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Călăraşi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Giurgiu</border>
      <border>Bucharest</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>424</smallx>
      <smally>393</smally>
      <largex>542</largex>
      <largey>496</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Brăila</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Buzău</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Tulcea</border>
      <border>Danube Delta</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>464</smallx>
      <smally>336</smally>
      <largex>600</largex>
      <largey>418</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Tulcea</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Danube Delta</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>579</smallx>
      <smally>320</smally>
      <largex>735</largex>
      <largey>399</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Danube Delta</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Tulcea</border>
      <border>Constanţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>525</smallx>
      <smally>343</smally>
      <largex>671</largex>
      <largey>428</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Constanţa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Danube Delta</border>
    </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>514</smallx>
      <smally>398</smally>
      <largex>653</largex>
      <largey>501</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Suceava</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
      <border>Botoşani</border>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>350</smallx>
      <smally>101</smally>
      <largex>453</largex>
      <largey>120</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Botoşani</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Suceava</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>413</smallx>
      <smally>82</smally>
      <largex>526</largex>
      <largey>98</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Neamţ</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Suceava</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Bacău</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>387</smallx>
      <smally>159</smally>
      <largex>492</largex>
      <largey>197</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Iaşi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Botoşani</border>
      <border>Suceava</border>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>449</smallx>
      <smally>139</smally>
      <largex>566</largex>
      <largey>169</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bacău</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>419</smallx>
      <smally>215</smally>
      <largex>529</largex>
      <largey>265</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Vaslui</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bacău</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>479</smallx>
      <smally>208</smally>
      <largex>608</largex>
      <largey>257</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Vrancea</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Buzău</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
      <border>Bacău</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>425</smallx>
      <smally>272</smally>
      <largex>539</largex>
      <largey>338</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Galaţi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Tulcea</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>482</smallx>
      <smally>271</smally>
      <largex>613</largex>
      <largey>342</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>


</map>

[Sven Hassel]

this is the danube delta, and the rest would be just Tulcea

also if your going with the original romanian names rename the continents:
Moldava - Moldova
Transylvania - Transilvania

[yeti_c]

hopefully the ţ is recognized in the XML.

This can be done - you have to code the ţ using the ascii codes for it - for examples - see the iceland.xml or the Das Schloss.xml

C.

[foregone]

this is the danube delta, and the rest would be just Tulcea

also if your going with the original romanian names rename the continents:
Moldava - Moldova
Transylvania - Transilvania

Okie dokes. Making the previous N Tulcea Danube Delta and S Tulcea Tulcea, also, will modify the spelling of the continents. Thanks.

hopefully the ţ is recognized in the XML.

This can be done - you have to code the ţ using the ascii codes for it - for examples - see the iceland.xml or the Das Schloss.xml

C.

Do you mean I have to put the ascii codes in the XML or just that I have to use the codes to make the 'ţ' show up in the XML? In other words, 'ţ' currently shows in the XML, is that sufficient?

[gdeangel]

The gap looks nice. I'm a little hard time seeing if there is a two territory wide gap down the middle though, as there is a slope side of the mountain that is looking pretty flat. Would not be a problem for someone using BoB, but I don't read XML that well yet.

[foregone]

Version 12.1----------------------------------------------------------------

Standardised naming. N Tulcea is now Danube Delta, S Tulcea just Tulcea. Changed the spelling of some continents.

What you need to know: 42 Territories
6 Continents
Standard Gameplay
Positions tag for Constanta and Tulcea to prevent continent drop in 1v1.

Click image to enlarge.

Code: Select all

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
   <title>Romania</title>
   <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>465</smallheight>
   <largewidth>800</largewidth>
   <largeheight>590</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>

<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>Constanţa</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Tulcea</territory>
   </position>
</positions>

<continent>
   <name>Maramures</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Satu Mare</territory>
      <territory>Bihor</territory>
      <territory>Maramureş</territory>
      <territory>Sălaj</territory>
      <territory>Cluj</territory>
      <territory>Bistriţa</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Transylvania</name>
   <bonus>7</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Arad</territory>
      <territory>Timiş</territory>
      <territory>Caraş-Severin</territory>
      <territory>Hunedoara</territory>
      <territory>Alba</territory>
      <territory>Mureş</territory>
      <territory>Sibiu</territory>
      <territory>Harghita</territory>
      <territory>Braşov</territory>
      <territory>Covasna</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Olt</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Mehedinţi</territory>
      <territory>Gorj</territory>
      <territory>Dolj</territory>
      <territory>Vâlcea</territory>
      <territory>Olt</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Muntenia</name>
   <bonus>6</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Argeş</territory>
      <territory>Teleorman</territory>
      <territory>Dâmboviţa</territory>
      <territory>Giurgiu</territory>
      <territory>Prahova</territory>
      <territory>Bucharest</territory>
      <territory>Buzău</territory>
      <territory>Ialomiţa</territory>
      <territory>Brăila</territory>
      <territory>Călăraşi</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Dobrogea</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Tulcea</territory>
      <territory>Danube Delta</territory>
      <territory>Constanţa</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Moldavia</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Suceava</territory>
      <territory>Botoşani</territory>
      <territory>Neamţ</territory>
      <territory>Iaşi</territory>
      <territory>Bacău</territory>
      <territory>Vaslui</territory>
      <territory>Vrancea</territory>
      <territory>Galaţi</territory>
   </components>
</continent>


<territory>
   <name>Satu Mare</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bihor</border>
      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>166</smallx>
      <smally>108</smally>
      <largex>214</largex>
      <largey>126</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Maramureş</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Satu Mare</border>
      <border>Cluj</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>244</smallx>
      <smally>98</smally>
      <largex>303</largex>
      <largey>116</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bihor</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Satu Mare</border>
      <border>Arad</border>
      <border>Alba</border>   
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>130</smallx>
      <smally>129</smally>
      <largex>163</largex>
      <largey>158</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Sălaj</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Bihor</border>
      <border>Satu Mare</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>182</smallx>
      <smally>148</smally>
      <largex>233</largex>
      <largey>175</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bistriţa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
      <border>Suceava</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>271</smallx>
      <smally>140</smally>
      <largex>345</largex>
      <largey>174</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Cluj</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bihor</border>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>220</smallx>
      <smally>162</smally>
      <largex>281</largex>
      <largey>201</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>


<territory>
   <name>Arad</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bihor</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
      <border>Timiş</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>109</smallx>
      <smally>204</smally>
      <largex>141</largex>
      <largey>252</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Timiş</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Arad</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
      <border>Caraş-Severin</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>53</smallx>
      <smally>262</smally>
      <largex>85</largex>
      <largey>327</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Caraş-Severin</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Timiş</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
      <border>Mehedinţi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>115</smallx>
      <smally>318</smally>
      <largex>151</largex>
      <largey>395</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Hunedoara</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Arad</border>
      <border>Timiş</border>
      <border>Caraş-Severin</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>177</smallx>
      <smally>267</smally>
      <largex>220</largex>
      <largey>334</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Alba</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Arad</border>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
      <border>Sibiu</border>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Bihor</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>215</smallx>
      <smally>227</smally>
      <largex>270</largex>
      <largey>280</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Mureş</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Sibiu</border>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Harghita</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>280</smallx>
      <smally>180</smally>
      <largex>354</largex>
      <largey>229</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Sibiu</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>260</smallx>
      <smally>247</smally>
      <largex>333</largex>
      <largey>307</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Harghita</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>322</smallx>
      <smally>199</smally>
      <largex>411</largex>
      <largey>250</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Braşov</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sibiu</border>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Harghita</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>311</smallx>
      <smally>251</smally>
      <largex>397</largex>
      <largey>313</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Covasna</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Harghita</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>372</smallx>
      <smally>264</smally>
      <largex>476</largex>
      <largey>329</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Mehedinţi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Caraş-Severin</border>
      <border>Gorj</border>
      <border>Dolj</border>
    </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>171</smallx>
      <smally>379</smally>
      <largex>218</largex>
      <largey>474</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Gorj</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vâlcea</border>
      <border>Mehedinţi</border>
      <border>Dolj</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>204</smallx>
      <smally>331</smally>
      <largex>263</largex>
      <largey>416</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Dolj</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Mehedinţi</border>
      <border>Gorj</border>
      <border>Vâlcea</border>
      <border>Olt</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>204</smallx>
      <smally>400</smally>
      <largex>260</largex>
      <largey>504</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Vâlcea</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Gorj</border>
      <border>Argeş</border>
      <border>Olt</border>
      <border>Dolj</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>249</smallx>
      <smally>337</smally>
      <largex>319</largex>
      <largey>416</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Olt</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vâlcea</border>
      <border>Argeş</border>
      <border>Teleorman</border>
      <border>Dolj</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>267</smallx>
      <smally>404</smally>
      <largex>341</largex>
      <largey>506</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Argeş</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vâlcea</border>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Teleorman</border>
      <border>Olt</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>289</smallx>
      <smally>320</smally>
      <largex>369</largex>
      <largey>436</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Teleorman</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Giurgiu</border>
      <border>Argeş</border>
      <border>Olt</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>315</smallx>
      <smally>407</smally>
      <largex>402</largex>
      <largey>512</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Dâmboviţa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bucharest</border>
      <border>Giurgiu</border>
      <border>Argeş</border>
      <border>Teleorman</border>
      <border>Prahova</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>332</smallx>
      <smally>340</smally>
      <largex>419</largex>
      <largey>424</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Giurgiu</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Teleorman</border>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Bucharest</border>
      <border>Călăraşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>359</smallx>
      <smally>430</smally>
      <largex>468</largex>
      <largey>534</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Prahova</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Bucharest</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>369</smallx>
      <smally>347</smally>
      <largex>476</largex>
      <largey>430</largey>

   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bucharest</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Prahova</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
      <border>Călăraşi</border>
      <border>Giurgiu</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>377</smallx>
      <smally>387</smally>
      <largex>480</largex>
      <largey>485</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Buzău</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Prahova</border>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>415</smallx>
      <smally>323</smally>
      <largex>528</largex>
      <largey>400</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Ialomiţa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bucharest</border>
      <border>Prahova</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Călăraşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>458</smallx>
      <smally>370</smally>
      <largex>579</largex>
      <largey>464</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Călăraşi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Giurgiu</border>
      <border>Bucharest</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>424</smallx>
      <smally>393</smally>
      <largex>542</largex>
      <largey>496</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Brăila</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Buzău</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Tulcea</border>
      <border>Danube Delta</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>464</smallx>
      <smally>336</smally>
      <largex>600</largex>
      <largey>418</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Danube Delta</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Tulcea</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>579</smallx>
      <smally>320</smally>
      <largex>735</largex>
      <largey>399</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Tulcea</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Danube Delta</border>
      <border>Constanţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>525</smallx>
      <smally>343</smally>
      <largex>671</largex>
      <largey>428</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Constanţa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Tulcea</border>
    </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>514</smallx>
      <smally>398</smally>
      <largex>653</largex>
      <largey>501</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Suceava</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
      <border>Botoşani</border>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>350</smallx>
      <smally>101</smally>
      <largex>453</largex>
      <largey>120</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Botoşani</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Suceava</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>413</smallx>
      <smally>82</smally>
      <largex>526</largex>
      <largey>98</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Neamţ</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Suceava</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Bacău</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>387</smallx>
      <smally>159</smally>
      <largex>492</largex>
      <largey>197</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Iaşi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Botoşani</border>
      <border>Suceava</border>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>449</smallx>
      <smally>139</smally>
      <largex>566</largex>
      <largey>169</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bacău</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>419</smallx>
      <smally>215</smally>
      <largex>529</largex>
      <largey>265</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Vaslui</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bacău</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>479</smallx>
      <smally>208</smally>
      <largex>608</largex>
      <largey>257</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Vrancea</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Buzău</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
      <border>Bacău</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>425</smallx>
      <smally>272</smally>
      <largex>539</largex>
      <largey>338</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Galaţi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Danube Delta</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>482</smallx>
      <smally>271</smally>
      <largex>613</largex>
      <largey>342</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>


</map>

xml is valid. see test results.

Test results:

Summary: 0 errors and 0 warnings detected in Romania.xml (6 continents, 42 territories)

[foregone]

The gap looks nice. I'm a little hard time seeing if there is a two territory wide gap down the middle though, as there is a slope side of the mountain that is looking pretty flat. Would not be a problem for someone using BoB, but I don't read XML that well yet.

Thanks . Are you struggling to see the connection by Brasov - Buzau or do you mean at the newly created gap?

[yeti_c]

hopefully the ţ is recognized in the XML.

This can be done - you have to code the ţ using the ascii codes for it - for examples - see the iceland.xml or the Das Schloss.xml

C.

Do you mean I have to put the ascii codes in the XML or just that I have to use the codes to make the 'ţ' show up in the XML? In other words, 'ţ' currently shows in the XML, is that sufficient?

You have to put the ascii codes into the XML...

C.

i.e.

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ð

= ð