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Re: Romania Revisited - Updated - Texture and More Terrain

Postby whitestazn88 on Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:00 pm

i think transylvania is fine like that if you keep the mountains there, but then at this point i feel like 10 is too high of a bonus, because if you hold it, the next turn you get a huge bonus, take all of the yellow continent, and just block up those 2 holes...

maybe 6 or 7 at the most would be good for me...
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Re: Romania Revisited - Updated - Texture and More Terrain

Postby ZeakCytho on Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:57 pm

If you're going for an old parchmenty look then get rid of the drop shadow on the title. It looks really out of place given your theme.
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Re: Romania Revisited - Updated - Texture and More Terrain

Postby foregone on Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:09 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:If you're going for an old parchmenty look then get rid of the drop shadow on the title. It looks really out of place given your theme.


Throwback that I've never brought into line. Will be fixed in the next ed. Thanks.
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Re: Romania Revisited - Updated - Texture and More Terrain

Postby bryguy on Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:42 am

1) I dont really care for the stains, they dont look that good.
2) The shield looks cool! but something about it just doesnt look right... cant figure out what...
3) are you going for a parchment type look? if so, maybe make the colors of the continents dimmer, and if your using GIMP, look at this tutorial if you like: http://www.gimpusers.com/tutorials/old- ... paper.html
4) Your going for a parchmenty look it seems, and having a scroll of parchment right next to it doesnt seem to fit... maybe move the legend over to that area in the lower left corner? if u change the legend text then it might work :D
5) Speaking about the text, I dont care for the text at all. Its to hard to read.
6) Could you take away the army circles? in my opinion, this map would look better with no army circles :)
7) The borders on moldavia(..?? did i get that right? i cant read the legend name ofor it that well..) looks weird, cause it seems to have a yellowish glow around it


Keep up the good work!

also, maybe if you want to, look at this tutorial: http://www.jezelf.co.uk/tutorials_map02.htm

it may help for the parchment look, if not, thats okay :)
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Re: Romania Revisited - Updated - Texture and More Terrain

Postby foregone on Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:54 am

bryguy wrote:1) I dont really care for the stains, they dont look that good.


I like them, but I'll maybe lighten them considerably to give them an older feel, etc. I'll play with it and when I update you could tell me if you still don't like them.

bryguy wrote:2) The shield looks cool! but something about it just doesnt look right... cant figure out what...


Hmmm, I'll see if I can give it different looks.

bryguy wrote:3) are you going for a parchment type look? if so, maybe make the colors of the continents dimmer, and if your using GIMP, look at this tutorial if you like: http://www.gimpusers.com/tutorials/old- ... paper.html


bryguy wrote:also, maybe if you want to, look at this tutorial: http://www.jezelf.co.uk/tutorials_map02.htm

it may help for the parchment look, if not, thats okay :)



Thanks, took a look at it. I do have a backdrop for parchment on currently. I'm probably gonna fade everything out considerably which will make the texture come out alot stronger. With that I'll be fading out the continent colours and if necessary playing with the colour selection. Should be all right though if I fade them.

bryguy wrote:4) Your going for a parchmenty look it seems, and having a scroll of parchment right next to it doesnt seem to fit... maybe move the legend over to that area in the lower left corner? if u change the legend text then it might work :D


bryguy wrote:5) Speaking about the text, I dont care for the text at all. Its to hard to read.


Definitely, trying to find a way currently to make the legend work better. Also mucking about with fonts at the moment, trying to find something that fits, is more legible and still has the right feel (like handwriting but neat, etc).

bryguy wrote:6) Could you take away the army circles? in my opinion, this map would look better with no army circles :)


Will put up two versions, with and without army circles, for comparison.

bryguy wrote:7) The borders on moldavia(..?? did i get that right? i cant read the legend name ofor it that well..) looks weird, cause it seems to have a yellowish glow around it


Needs some cleaning up. Will be done.


Ta for all the comments. Should be able to put an update up tonight (my time) with changes. Feel free to rip into it again. ;)
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Re: Romania Revisited - v4 -

Postby foregone on Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:33 pm

Newly updated for a considerably more parchmenty faded feel.
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Re: Romania Revisited - v4 -

Postby bryguy on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:59 pm

looks much better!

and definately no circles

maybe lower the opacity of the mountain range layer a little? and also, could you bring up the opacity of the start? its hard to see
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Re: Romania Revisited - v4 -

Postby foregone on Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:19 pm

bryguy wrote:looks much better!

and definately no circles

maybe lower the opacity of the mountain range layer a little? and also, could you bring up the opacity of the start? its hard to see


Done and done, see 4.1. Assuming "start" = star, they should be more visible now.
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Re: Romania Revisited - v4.1 -

Postby wcaclimbing on Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:26 am

Looks better with the lower opacity colors.
But now I think the green continent might be too faded. could you make the green a bit more visible, but leave everything else the same?

And the borders on the map are very pixellated, especially in the pink continent. Could you try redrawing them so they would be a bit more smooth?
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Re: Romania Revisited - v4.1 -

Postby foregone on Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:18 am

wcaclimbing wrote:Looks better with the lower opacity colors.
But now I think the green continent might be too faded. could you make the green a bit more visible, but leave everything else the same?


I can. Will give it a shot. Because of the nature of the colour if I make it come out too strong it looks overly bright but will try some happy medium.

wcaclimbing wrote:And the borders on the map are very pixellated, especially in the pink continent. Could you try redrawing them so they would be a bit more smooth?


Will do, though thats probably one of those things that'll take a little time, heh. Unfortunately any lurking artistic talent I have does not extend to hand eye co-ords, heh.
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Re: Romania Revisited - v4.1 -

Postby foregone on Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:54 am

wcaclimbing wrote:Looks better with the lower opacity colors.
But now I think the green continent might be too faded. could you make the green a bit more visible, but leave everything else the same?

And the borders on the map are very pixellated, especially in the pink continent. Could you try redrawing them so they would be a bit more smooth?


Now updated. The green is stronger. Tried making the borders better, fine difference so not hundreds on how much improvement there is. Take a look and let me know please.
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Re: Romania Revisited - v4.1 -

Postby whitestazn88 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:39 pm

looks much better, although i would like it if you could post the most current images in your later posts so i can see what exactly you're talking about.

furthermore, i think you could go ahead and move some of the country names around to fit more space for army circles. my biggest example would be satu mare or w/e in the upper left in the yellow region. its taking up a big part of the middle of that territ, so maybe tilt it up a little or shrink it and move it up and you'd have more space
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Re: Romania Revisited - v4.1 -

Postby wcaclimbing on Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:48 pm

Looking better with the green.
I'm still not satisfied with the colors, but they are ok for now. will probably need a few more changes later, though.

Right now you have the metal emblem thing sitting on the map.
It looks kinda lonely there all by itself. Are there any other things you could put sitting on the map also, like down in the left corner, at least?

And you still need to edit your topic title.
It still says v4.1, when it should say v4.5.
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Re: Romania Revisited - v4.1 -

Postby foregone on Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:56 pm

wcaclimbing wrote:Looking better with the green.
I'm still not satisfied with the colors, but they are ok for now. will probably need a few more changes later, though.


Will continue for now and maybe go back to it later if thats the general feeling. Not hard to strengthen the colours but want to make sure that I don't lose the faded feel.

wcaclimbing wrote:Right now you have the metal emblem thing sitting on the map.
It looks kinda lonely there all by itself. Are there any other things you could put sitting on the map also, like down in the left corner, at least?


Been thinking about that for a while but have been bus with all the other updates. Will work on that now having made the other improvements.

wcaclimbing wrote:And you still need to edit your topic title.
It still says v4.1, when it should say v4.5.


Oooops, fixed.
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Re: Romania Revisited - v5 -

Postby foregone on Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:44 pm

Updated. More comments please.
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Re: Romania Revisited - v5 -

Postby whitestazn88 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:57 pm

i'm not a big fan of the flag colors in the background. very splotchy. and it looks totally out of place.

same with the compass, i don't get why it's there....
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Re: Romania Revisited - v5 -

Postby wcaclimbing on Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:37 pm

I sent you some comments in response to the PM you sent me.
Should I post them here, or just leave them in the PM?
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Re: Romania Revisited - v5 -

Postby wcaclimbing on Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:46 am

Ok. forgone PMd me, and this was my response:
wcaclimbing wrote:As your first map, Romania seems to be coming along nicely.
That being said, I think its run into a few problems that most mapmakers have at first. They can easily be solved, but might take a bit of creativity on your part.
---First off, i think the biggest issue visually are the conflicting themes throughout the image. You have an excellent parchment/old paper feel going on, but when you add in the colors of the continents, it doesn't seem to work too well.
Take this image for example:
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Its an old map, similar to yours. Where they are different, though, is the issue.
Old images usually have faded lighter colors, or no color at all. Because the color might fade away over time or the person that made the map might just not have access to the needed colors.
I think that could be solved by replacing the color scheme you are using now.
Make the tan paper a bit lighter, and then use softer, more similar colors to make your continents.
Take a look at Age of Merchants, Battle for Iraq, or the Middle East map. They are all similar to what it looks like you are trying for, and they might give you an idea or two on how to do the graphics.

Another issue I see is pixellated borders, a big pet peeve for many foundry members. That is when the borders don't look smooth. Its mostly visible in the pink continent, because there are little light spots on the borders.
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While not as extreme as this example, your image kinda feels that way in some places. The diamond on the left is bad, because you can see the edges are harsh and pixellated. The one on the right is better, because the edges are smooth and look more normal. In testing out ways to draw your lines, try to get them smooth like the right diamond, not rough like the left.
And, could you remove the water mark covering most of the yellow continent? It just doesn't look too great where it crosses into the grey continent.


For gameplay, I know nothing about how Romania is set up. But from how the map is set up right now, it looks kinda blocked together and doesn't really flow.
Its not really a problem right now, just a few changes might need to be made later on in development.

DiM, one of the best mapmakers in the foundry, is from Romania, but he has disappeared recently and hasn't been active in the forums at all....
If he ever shows up, I bet he'd be able to help you with the gameplay.

So, with all that, I think you should continue the map.
There are some great parts in your image already, you just need to pull up everything else to match it.
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Re: Romania Revisited - v5 -

Postby bspride on Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:02 am

like how the map looks...the only complaints i have are the title...I like it more centralized...but i really like your take on the compass...very ingenious...
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Re: Romania Revisited - v5 -

Postby foregone on Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:25 am

Busy with a revision, will come up at some point on the weekend, though it might come slower as I have to spend some time with significant other before she no longer talks to me, heh.
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Re: Romania Revisited - v5 -

Postby whitestazn88 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:49 am

foregone wrote:Busy with a revision, will come up at some point on the weekend, though it might come slower as I have to spend some time with significant other before she no longer talks to me, heh.


just because they don't talk to you doesn't mean they don't love you.... stick with the map lol
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Re: Romania Revisited - v6 -

Postby foregone on Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:15 pm

Updated. More commentary please.
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Re: Romania Revisited - v6 -

Postby wcaclimbing on Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:24 pm

That looks much better!
It really has that hand-painted feel to it now.
the only thing i see is the bright white areas inside each territory. Could you bring the brightness down just a bit, so it more matches the colors of the continent they are in?

Other than that, looks good. nice update.
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Re: Romania Revisited - v6 -

Postby cairnswk on Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:31 pm

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Hello foregone...first time i've looked at your map...well done so far.
I'm really impressed with the mountains, and the water-colour wash that you applied to the overall appearance.

The only thing i would comment on is the fact that now you are using very pale colours, i really had to look hard to differentiate between the continent colors, they seem very washed out.

Is there any chance you could:
1. order them from left to right (down) etc., across the map in the legend
2. or add a bolder version of the colour to the outside of the under-legend colour patch
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Re: Romania Revisited - v6 -

Postby whitestazn88 on Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:09 pm

the color for moldavia on the map and the territs is not matching up
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