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Re: Trench Warfare! -- mibi's latest -- First Look & FAQ Page 1

Postby Juan_Bottom on Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:41 am

mibi wrote:And I don't think landmines existed back then, I could be wrong though.


We had 'em during the Civil War even!
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Re: Trench Warfare! -- mibi's latest -- First Look & FAQ Page 1

Postby Incandenza on Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:36 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:
mibi wrote:And I don't think landmines existed back then, I could be wrong though.


We had 'em during the Civil War even!


While land mines existed, they weren't a very significant part of WWI trench warfare. We made the same decision vis-a-vis airplanes.

As far as playtesting, well, perhaps a little farther down the road (tho I doubt my risk set has enough armies to stand in for all the neutrals!). Though any and all comments on the balancing of the neutrals are quite welcome.

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Re: Trench Warfare! NEW DRAFT Page 1 & 3, FAQ Page 1

Postby gimil on Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:43 pm

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Re: Trench Warfare! NEW DRAFT Page 1 & 3, FAQ Page 1

Postby Incandenza on Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:19 pm

Word. Thanks, gim.
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Re: Trench Warfare! NEW DRAFT Page 1 & 3, FAQ Page 1

Postby yeti_c on Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:53 am

Sweet stuff guys - I'll pop in and comment fully when we get to the Found of Ry!

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Re: Trench Warfare! NEW DRAFT Page 1 & 3, FAQ Page 1

Postby Qwert on Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:01 pm

The Central power were Germany and Austria-Hungary forces. The allies were mainly France, England and Russia. USA joined the was in late 1917 and hardly mae a contribution to it!!! Russia lost over 1,200,000 troops whilst america lost only 150,00!


Central Powers also whas Bulgaria and Ottoman Empire.Also i think that Italian Campain been trench warfare for some period.Also Serbia have more casualty then USA(almost 400.000)
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Re: Trench Warfare! NEW DRAFT Page 1 & 3, FAQ Page 1

Postby Incandenza on Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:35 pm

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The Central power were Germany and Austria-Hungary forces. The allies were mainly France, England and Russia. USA joined the was in late 1917 and hardly mae a contribution to it!!! Russia lost over 1,200,000 troops whilst america lost only 150,00!


Central Powers also whas Bulgaria and Ottoman Empire.Also i think that Italian Campain been trench warfare for some period.Also Serbia have more casualty then USA(almost 400.000)


All true. Most of the Italian trenches were around Caporetto on the border with Austria-Hungary.

But given that we're going with a Western Front feel here, and given that the main combatants on that front were Germans vs. an alliance between the British and French, Germans and Allies seem pretty fine n' dandy.

Visually, how's the new draft working for everyone?
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Re: Trench Warfare! NEW DRAFT Page 1 & 3, FAQ Page 1

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:41 am

It's looking good to me.... But I'm no mapmaker...

Does this map remind anyone else of Stratego? It gets thumbs up from me just for that, I think...

What about Hexagons? What made you go with squares?
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Re: Trench Warfare! NEW DRAFT Page 1 & 3, FAQ Page 1

Postby mibi on Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:09 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:It's looking good to me.... But I'm no mapmaker...

Does this map remind anyone else of Stratego? It gets thumbs up from me just for that, I think...

What about Hexagons? What made you go with squares?
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I think squares just fit the shape of trenches a bit more. A trench in the shape of three hexagons would look a little odd. It is also harder to number a hex grid in the method we have now.
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Re: Trench Warfare! -- mibi's latest -- First Look & FAQ Page 1

Postby hulmey on Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:39 am

Incandenza wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:
mibi wrote:And I don't think landmines existed back then, I could be wrong though.


We had 'em during the Civil War even!


While land mines existed, they weren't a very significant part of WWI trench warfare. We made the same decision vis-a-vis airplanes.

As far as playtesting, well, perhaps a little farther down the road (tho I doubt my risk set has enough armies to stand in for all the neutrals!). Though any and all comments on the balancing of the neutrals are quite welcome.

Thanks to all who have commented thus far!


Land mines were a huge part of WW1...The no man's land areas were full of them
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Re: Trench Warfare! NEW DRAFT Page 1 & 3, FAQ Page 1

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:46 am

Didn't the Germans use 'penal battalions' to sneak out at night and clear them for upcomming attacks?

I don't think that they would work for this map either.... but I was wondering what made them go in the direction that they took.
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Re: Trench Warfare! -- mibi's latest -- First Look & FAQ Page 1

Postby Incandenza on Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:12 pm

hulmey wrote:Land mines were a huge part of WW1...The no man's land areas were full of them


Well, they're not a large part of the contemporary literature, their importance pales beside that of the main elements of the map (infantry, artillery, machine guns), and besides, how on earth would you put landmines in a map? You'd need some sort of randomized xml to make it worth your while. Also, the point is to not so discourage attacks through No Man's Land that people wait until the mopping-up phase to make the attempt.

Unless someone can come up with a really bitching and historically meaningful way of integrating landmines into the current map, let's please consider the matter closed, along with discussion as to what properly constituted the Central Powers and the Allies. It's a map, not a history lesson, so let's move on and talk gameplay 'n graphics. :D

Juan_Bottom wrote:Didn't the Germans use 'penal battalions' to sneak out at night and clear them for upcomming attacks?

I don't think that they would work for this map either.... but I was wondering what made them go in the direction that they took.


Yes, the Germans did have punitive details (the French might have as well, whereas the British were strictly on the volunteer system when it came to dangerous detail). However, I don't see how it would fit into the gameplay, especially since No Man's Land respawns.
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Re: Trench Warfare! NEW DRAFT Page 1 & 3, FAQ Page 1

Postby mibi on Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:12 pm

when viewing this map you have to look at it from a conceptual. If you are going to go over the wall you will need a good 50+ armies to even have a chance to make it to the opposing trench. Chances are, if you send 50 men across no mans land, only a handful will survive. Did they get blow up by landmines? Tangled in barb wire? Gunned down? Who knows, either way , they didn't make it, so use your imagination.
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Re: Trench Warfare! -- mibi's latest -- First Look & FAQ Page 1

Postby cairnswk on Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:05 pm

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Re: Trench Warfare! NEW DRAFT Page 1 & 3, FAQ Page 1

Postby cairnswk on Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:20 pm

What can i say Mibi...great work. :)
1. Machine guns - how far can they fire forward, how many cells in the forward range.
2. The rear end of some L shape trenches might do with the re-inforcing boards?
3. The red line looks very harsh - is there any way to blend that into the map more so it still defines well but is less obtrusive.
4. just a little more space at the legend bottom for no diagonal attacks perhaps :)
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