The Balkan Peninsula [D] (v14 pg. 1&10) April 5

[ZeakCytho]

The islands will be fixed for the next version.

ok here we go.
1.Betwen Serbia and BIH is river not mountain-river Drina
2.Republika Srpska also have border with Croatia,river Sava.
3.You have many mountains who not exist in these places.
4.Montenegro have border with Croatia
5.FBIH have exit to Adriatic Sea,not Republika Srpska.
6.If you want to remove capitals,then these mean that you need to find another names for territories-Tirana,Skoplje,Podgorica,Sofia,Bucuresti.
These is for now.

I live here,and satelite sometime give wrong pictures,like Snurfkin show you with greeks peninsulah(you can see Peloponnesian war how these peninsula look)
Belive me river is betwen Serbia and BIH not mountains,you want to your map be right not wrong map of Balkan?

Sorry qwert, I'm not seeing how the satellite is wrong. In fact, it shows that snufkin was correct with the island comment.

1. While the river Drina would be more correct, various images of the area all show mountains in the area. Furthermore, it looks really bad to have a river there with no outlet to the sea. The Drina merges into the Danube, so I'd need to extent the Danube to cross southern Vojvodina and add bridges to connect Serbia, which there isn't really room for. So, unless people really have an issue with this, I'll keep mountains there.
2. We don't really need an impassable there, I think gameplay is fine without one. But if we need to add one, I'll use the river.
3. What other mountains are in not-mountainous areas?
4. Yes, it does, but it's not possible to convey that easily. Croatia just gets too narrow. I'd have to use an inset, which would complicate the map. And if we get rid of Crete, there won't be much room left for an inset.
5. Acrroding to this image, Croatia actually borders the Adriatic, but my border between FBIH and RS is correct.
6. Do you have alternate suggestions for the names of those areas? I'm perfectly willing to change them, but I don't know what to change them to.

[qwert]

Zeak you have many unlogical answer. I live in serbia and maybe i know better then satelite what is what.
Dont forget US army use satelite when bombard mine country, and satelite many times give wrong informacions,and instead to attack Military target,they attack civilian target.
Drina is river who is conected with Sava not Danube(Sava is river border Betwen Republika Srpska and Croatia in north).
If you want to create good map of Balkan peninsual,then you need to implement correct borders,not to remove and create new borders. Soon or later you will get more valid answers that Croatia border with Montenegro.
If you want i can find you map of Balkan countries with good borders,and please dont use Satelite,if they show you wrong pictures.

[ZeakCytho]

Zeak you have many unlogical answer. I live in serbia and maybe i know better then satelite what is what.
Dont forget US army use satelite when bombard mine country, and satelite many times give wrong informacions,and instead to attack Military target,they attack civilian target.
Drina is river who is conected with Sava not Danube(Sava is river border Betwen Republika Srpska and Croatia in north).
If you want to create good map of Balkan peninsual,then you need to implement correct borders,not to remove and create new borders. Soon or later you will get more valid answers that Croatia border with Montenegro.
If you want i can find you map of Balkan countries with good borders,and please dont use Satelite,if they show you wrong pictures.

I won't say that the satellites are wrong - they can't be. There's a big difference between using a satellite to find a building to bomb and using a satellite to identify a mountain range.

But since you insist so much, I'll add in the Drina river between RS and Zlatibor and Sumadija instead of the mountains. Then I'll add the river across the border between Sumadija and Vojvodina and Zajecar and Vojvodina. This is the Sava river, I believe. Then that flows into the Danube. I'll put a bridge for crossing between Vojvodina and Zajecar, but I don't have room to add one from Vojvodina to Sumadija.

I'll be following this map for river placement:


As for the Croatia-Montenegro-Bosnia question, I'd like other input. Ideally the map should reflect the reality of the region, but I don't have enough pixels to make this viable. Any suggestions? For now, I'll try to squeeze it in, but I don't think there's enough room to show the border accurately. We'll see in version 7.

[qwert]

You see when you want you can find correct map.
BIH have very small exit to Adriatic sea(26 km near neum) and these is in middle of Croatia coastline.

[Incandenza]

Lookin' good, zeak...

One quick comment: 48 starting terits is not a great number, as in 4p and 2v2 everyone will start with 12 terits, giving an advantage to whoever goes first.

[ZeakCytho]

You see when you want you can find correct map.
BIH have very small exit to Adriatic sea(26 km near neum) and these is in middle of Croatia coastline.

Yes, I know what the actual borders are, but that doesn't change the fact that it's almost impossible to draw them in such a small area.

Lookin' good, zeak...

One quick comment: 48 starting terits is not a great number, as in 4p and 2v2 everyone will start with 12 terits, giving an advantage to whoever goes first.

You're absolutely right. I was just looking at divisibility, not how many territories it would lead you to start with. I could merge some territories in Romania and try to go down to 45 territories, then? But at 45, 2 and 3 player games start with 15 territories each, which is no good. I don't see a way to condense to get only 42 territories...and the next best number above where we are now is 54, I think, but I don't see a way to squeeze 5 more territories in.

[Incandenza]

Yeah, you're in that tough medium-size-map zone where most of the numbers will lead to an uneven start for head-to-head matches... really, 1v1 and 2v2 are the biggest ones to watch out for. Dunno if there's an easy answer, but it's definitely something that'll come up once you hit the main foundry, so it's worth pondering now.

[ZeakCytho]

Here's version 7. In a nutshell I cleaned up the Aegean and added the river where qwert wanted (I hope).

Click image to enlarge.

Still need a better number of territories. Is there any way to carve more regions out of this map? I could split Trakya into two provinces, probably, and maybe parts of Romania and Bulgaria, but not enough to hit 55 (54 without Kosovo) territories, I don't think...
Thoughts?

Also, still need better names for the territories named after capitals (Tirana, Skopje, Podgorica, Sofia, Bucuresti)

So, things to do, roughly in order of importance to me:
1) Decide on the number of territories. This is huge.
1a) Keep Crete? Should be decided somewhat soon.
2) Decide on impasable locations and then finalize bonuses
3) Graphical tweaks, esp. with regard to the legend and the title.

[InkL0sed]

This map really should be in the main foundry. At least make it an advanced draft!

[MrBenn]

Zeak, it looks like you've had waaaay more interest than when I PM'ed you about this the other day...

[Advanced Draft]


I still think this looks good, but it feels a little bit dark - I'm not sure the dark army circles work that well, and I'd like to see thinner borders - perhaps this might make the map seem less grey??

[ZeakCytho]

Zeak, it looks like you've had waaaay more interest than when I PM'ed you about this the other day...

[Advanced Draft]


I still think this looks good, but it feels a little bit dark - I'm not sure the dark army circles work that well, and I'd like to see thinner borders - perhaps this might make the map seem less grey??

Thanks for the quasi-stamp

I can change border thickness. It'd require me to redraw all the borders, I think, but it's doable. Right now the continent borders are with a 4px brush and the territories with a 3px brush. I can make those 3px and 2px each to make things thinner. The army circles are white, though, not dark

[MrBenn]

The army circles are white, though, not dark

You're right.... I think I was looking at an earlier version

[ZeakCytho]

The army circles are white, though, not dark

You're right.... I think I was looking at an earlier version

It's okay

Here's what Romania and Bulgaria would look like with the thinner borders:


Should I use those sizes for all the borders? Note that the river's border has not been adjusted yet.

[wcaclimbing]

I think they'd be good.
but right now they are looking a bit to pixellated in the thin version.

Making this at 1x seems to be coming back to bite you
I don't think it'd take too much work to recreate it at 2x size.
I recreated Kap's Switzerland map at double the size in just about three days.
I think it'd be a lot faster for you to re-do this, cause you know how you created it in the first place.

[ZeakCytho]

I think they'd be good.
but right now they are looking a bit to pixellated in the thin version.

Making this at 1x seems to be coming back to bite you
I don't think it'd take too much work to recreate it at 2x size.
I recreated Kap's Switzerland map at double the size in just about three days.
I think it'd be a lot faster for you to re-do this, cause you know how you created it in the first place.

Yeah...I'm going to recreate the psd at double size. If anyone has color/texture change ideas, please post them now before I redo it all.