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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby nicestash on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:18 pm

Bam!
Suddenly I've won 2 games!
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Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby General Quigley on Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:58 pm

I have an announcement to make! For the first 100 games of the Competition I have set the maps up so that the Initial Troops deployment was automatic. Now that we have all gained some experience and fighting prowess on these twenty maps, enough probably to form strategies, I am going to up the skill factor for the last 100 games by setting the Initial Troops placement to manual. Now, you get to decide how you want to place your armies right at the start.

Strategic tip for initial troop placement: Think hard about what has happened in the other games on the map you have played. Try to contest the areas people seem to be less interested in so that you don't get attacked like crazy. Example: in the normal classic map, many people go for Australia or the other two small continents in order to get the bonus and easily protect it. This would be good strategy if you are the only person considering it. I have found, however, that people often won't try right away for the larger continents. If you are not being attacked, your chances increase greatly. And if you can lock down a big bonus area in a fog of war game with eight people. Well, you are pretty much golden to win.

Another strategy tip: Sometimes, your big dump (if that is the strategy you choose at the beginning) ends up right beside someone else's. I have experimented with trying to blow that other person's stack away right at the start in order to use "attacker's dice" for better odds. Boy, do majors and up get irritated when you do that! Many have called me nasty names, which makes me feel much better about having destroyed them. Some have even enemied me as a result! Anyway, even if your 15 vs 12 is successful and you move let's say 6 in to the territory, very often you have so depleted yourself that it turns out poorly. Nowadays I tend to try to run away a bit from other people's big stacks instead. Not always, so I don't commit to doing that in every case, but that appears to usually work a little better. I just wanted to share a little of my experience to try to help my readers out to the extent I can.

Since my last post, ten games have concluded. As you can see from the standings below, your favorite Competition director's luck has inexplicably also continued. In fact, I am most embarassed to report that I have even managed to extend my first place lead. :?

Fortunately, there is hope that someone will come along and save me from the shame of winning my own competition. Nicestash has a very impressive 12 points so far in the 7 games he has concluded. Seventy games of our Competition have finished. 15% of 70 is 10.5. Therefore, ten games concluded, or more, is the participation cutoff needed in order to be rated in the Competition. I have no doubt that at nicestash's current participation rate, he will soon be entering the ratings. When he has enough games to be rated, the question is will he still be in the lead? Can he sustain that superior performance? After all, nicestash might have just got lucky those seven games. We do not have enough data yet to conclusively make that determination.

There is some movement in the next few places on the chart. AlexEverard continues his freefall from first. I question the strategy he often adopts of trying to make truces with the player currently in the lead on the map. Perhaps Alex knows something I do not about this game men call Conquer Club. DominatED is moving up fast on the wings of some really nice recent finishes. Will DominatED soon be able to challenge me for first place (or second, if nicestash comes in)? Time will tell.

One more thing I need to mention: please know that in every game I personally play the map. I never target or treat any player whom I have become familiar with any differently than I treat any other player. Not only do I consider doing that beneath me, but it would harm the Competition I am trying to promote. Also, perhaps most importantly, I am working out optimal playing strategies for this form of the game, or trying to. I need to maintain objectivity in my own targetting choices in order to determine if my strategy is sound. Getting personal would totally undermine that. I am a tournament chess player who plays the board, never the person, and I carry that mindset into my CC games. I recognize that others may not share my opinion and may target people, perhaps even me because I am currently the Competition frontrunner. That's okay. The strategies I am working out, or trying to work out, include those adversity factors.

Okay, I have opened eight new Competition games with manual initial troops deplyment (101-108) just now that you can join! A few other Competition games are still open from last week too. Good luck!

SKILL INDEX Points won divided by games played.
General Quigley - 1.06 (55/52)
DominatED - 0.83 (15/18)
AlexEverard - 0.77 (20/26)
farinelli - 0.69 (9/13)
maimerofmen - 0.58 (7/12)
69Chevy - 0.50 (6/12)
crazystef - 0.39 (21/54)
aboynamedboobs - 0.10 (1/10)

IBERIA MAP
70 is Concluded Game 12497387: General Quigley - gold, nicestash - silver, TbwaxT - bronze
81 is Under Way Game 12531042: AlexEverard, Wolfboy137, Cornal Clink, crazystef, Schlom, nicestash, Birdman13, AtlantaXY
101 is Open Game 12590098: General Quigley ... so far

JAPAN MAP
61 is Under Way Game 12478116: General Quigley, nicestash, crazystef, 11Joan11, EsaNahka, Graaf_MC, farinelli, Riverside111
91 is Under Way Game 12552961: General Quigley, AlexEverard, barfield, crazystef, galacticos1, Roetroc, Elsuper bano, jmch81

FIRST NATIONS AMERICAS MAP
71 is Under Way Game 12497397: General Quigley, ML46, aboynamedboobs, Flann, crazystef, DominatED, AlexEverard, jejakelana
92 is Under Way Game 12552968: crazystef, gdawgbhs, DominatED, Bariclaw, 1rocking, Wolfboy137, bpack88, mrgrateful

FIRST NATIONS NORTH AMERICA MAP
72 is Concluded Game 12497405: crazystef - gold, 11Joan11 - silver, idusmars - bronze
82 is Under Way Game 12531046: crazystef, gdawgbhs, DominatED, Bariclaw, 1rocking, Wolfboy137, bpack88, mrgrateful
102 is Open Game 12590100: General Quigley ... so far

FIRST NATIONS SOUTH AMERICA MAP
73 is Concluded Game 12497413: Worminabottle - gold, Elsuper bano - silver, Birdman13 - bronze
93 is Open Game 12552972: crazystef, Worminabottle, sactown ... so far

HIVE MAP
74 is Under Way Game 12497420: YipYipDog, wreckermom, AlexEverard, jlarkin, frankyky, OwnedYou77, GamerStasia, ScootChina
94 is Open Game 12552988: General Quigley, IBCDD, Worminabottle ... so far

AMERICAN CIVIL WAR MAP
62 is Concluded Game 12478125: nicestash - gold, General Quigley - silver, Solkim - bronze
83 is Under Way Game 12531052: psinno, Wolfboy137, titocakes, mrgrateful, AlexEverard, Ragnars Wolves, StinknLincoln, iGOATi
103 is Open Game 12590103: General Quigley ... so far

PELOPONNESIAN WAR MAP
63 is Under Way Game 12478129: General Quigley, AlexEverard, crazystef, farinelli, wombat4, Ed Jones, LeChuck, Solkim
84 is Under Way Game 12531054: Wolfboy137, crazystef, webb4545, Roetroc, CJMONSTERNATOR, DaveOliva, tommygun64, The Archangel

CLASSIC CITIES: LONDON MAP
64 is Concluded Game 12478145: nicestash - gold, EsaNahka - silver, General Quigley - bronze
85 is Under Way Game 12531058: Wolfboy137, mrgrateful, nicestash, crazystef, AlexEverard, Ragnars Wolves, 11Joan11, snoopyvillage
104 is Open Game 12590115: General Quigley ... so far

NORTH AMERICA MAP
30 is Concluded Game 12362452: totallyowned - gold, Freaky1 - silver, Gunir - bronze
75 is Under Way Game 12497434: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, CJMONSTERNATOR, Hastuneon, Elsuper bano, Smicrich, mx70
95 is Under Way Game 12552991: General Quigley, Ragnars Wolves, crazystef, NoSurvivors, Cornal Clink, DominatED, brun010, brentros

8 THOUGHTS MAP
76 is Under Way Game 12497437: maimerofmen, crazystef, AlexEverard, BENCLUB, Wolfboy137, CO250, Filthy Phil, boyer
96 is Open Game 12552998: General Quigley, crazystef ... so far

DOODLE EARTH MAP
86 is Under Way Game 12531066: crazystef, AlexEverard, Graaf_MC, CJMONSTERNATOR, Enochs BarmyArmy, Mladen92, demonthunder, Solkim
105 is Open Game 12590112: General Quigley ... so far

CIRCUS MAXIMUS MAP
66 is Concluded Game 12478159: nicestash - gold, usidyr - silver, General Quigley - bronze
97 is Open Game 12552999: General Quigley, crazystef ... so far

HALLOWEEN HOLLOWS MAP
77 is Under Way Game 12497443: crazystef, Wolfboy137, Enochs BarmyArmy, Dillybarr, Funkaholic, KingJaffyJay, Major Ashhole, clickpotato
98 is Open Game 12553008: General Quigley, crazystef ... so far

WWII EUROPE MAP
78 is Under Way Game 12497452: wolfboy137, LeFrench, Vasara, shabawazawhodo, looneytoon, ABotch, pixlification, looneytoon, brianski5
99 is Open Game 12553012: General Quigley ... so far

EUROPE 1914 MAP
87 is Under Way Game 12531072: steon2007, Wolfboy137, crazystef, AlexEverard, jasteve9, 11Joan11, mikekroeker, aflynmonkey8
106 is Open Game 12590119: General Quigley ... so far

BALTIC CRUSADES MAP
68 is Concluded Game 12478173: DominatED - gold, iGOATi - silver, DoomYoshi - bronze
88 is Under Way Game 12531076: steon2007, crazystef, AlexEverard, Wolfboy137, J-Bone, bigsacks, creel, porky_94024
107 is Open Game 12590128: General Quigley ... so far

BERLIN 1961 MAP
79 is Concluded Game 12497459: General Quigley - gold, DominatED - silver, Wolfboy137 - bronze
89 is Open Game 12531081: crazystef, Wolfboy137, Graaf_MC ... so far

TRENCH WARFARE MAP
59 is Under Way Game 12411819: General Quigley, crazystef, bmcubs87, ndbmiller, Birdman13, GoatSlayer, martsoum, snotrocket5
80 is Under Way Game 12497463: bmcubs87, Roetroc, crazystef, Funkaholic, Raka_BigMek, papagg, cekin killer, u0rns
100 is Open Game 12553017: General Quigley, crazystef ... so far

AUSTROHUNGARIAN EMPIRE MAP
69 is Concluded Game 12478182: wombat4 - gold, General Quigley - bronze, farinelli - bronze, 69Chevy - bronze
90 is Under Way Game 12531084: daniel.stalling, crazystef, Wolfboy137, nicestash, cekin killer, Ragnars Wolves, 11Joan11, taoda
108 is Open Game 12590133: General Quigley ... so far

Earners of five or more points regardless of participation level:
General Quigley - 55
crazystef - 21
AlexEverard - 20
DominatED - 15
nicestash - 12
Flann - 10
farinelli - 9
wombat4 - 9
shabawazawhodo - 8
11Joan11 - 7
maimerofmen - 7
Wolfboy137 - 7
69Chevy - 6
idusmars - 6
Bilbo1_OC - 5
Enochs BarmyArmy - 5
ML46 - 5
Roetroc - 5
Solkim - 5
tnecniv3 - 5
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby nicestash on Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:06 pm

I'm up to 3 wins now ;)
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby General Quigley on Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:15 pm

3 golds, a bronze, and a silver in just seven games is quite impressive indeed, especially at the level of play found in this Competition where we have virtually no deadbeats. There are seven people to beat every game!
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby nicestash on Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:40 pm

General Quigley wrote:3 golds, a bronze, and a silver in just seven games is quite impressive indeed, especially at the level of play found in this Competition where we have virtually no deadbeats. There are seven people to beat every game!

I've never played these games before so I'm pretty pleased with the results. However, since I'm a colonel I think I've still lost points-the last game I won a gained a mere 60 points :S
Oh well, I was never a big fan of hats anyway :P
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby AlexEverard on Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:08 pm

Hi GQ, thanks for all your effort, look forward to the 'placement' games.

Just to clarify one point however - I tend to truce with whoever I think it beneficial to me, and to them (else I wouldn't expect them to accept), which is v rarely the front runner. In a couple of our joint games I have not turned on a former truce-r on the immediate same turn they take the lead, which confused you both times(*), for what seemed to me good reasons, largely
- my armies were in position to make substantial gains off the people I was already attacking (yes, risky when someone else is heading for a dominant position)
- when I have given a commitment to 'x turns notice' or similar I do almost always keep it (except when I mess up and forget, which has happened)

(*) In one of those games I had done exactly the same thing several times and was continuing to struggle back into contention as a result, but the last one went very, very wrong ...

However, I also find your habit of 'no truce, but I wont attack you just yet' intriguing, and have experimented with that as well to good effect.

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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby nicestash on Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:58 pm

4 wins!
Game 12531084
Btw, since I held the Objective for this victory, who gets silver and bronze? Is it awarded to no one or the 2nd and 3rd place troops holders?
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby nicestash on Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:37 pm

nicestash wrote:4 wins!
Game 12531084
Btw, since I held the Objective for this victory, who gets silver and bronze? Is it awarded to no one or the 2nd and 3rd place troops holders?

Make that 5 :D
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby General Quigley on Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:09 pm

One of the hardest maps to figure out how to award points for is the Austro-Hungarian map. Nicestash recently won a game brilliantly there by achieving the objective, but six of his opponents were still in the game, two of them with more territiories owned than Nicestash. Unreal! This is the first time I have seen the like, although Europe 1914 and the Peloponessian map also have objectives that can allow for win of the game early. I award six points per game. So nicestash got the gold for winning it. The person who owned the most territories when Nicestash won got the silver, and I awarded the bronze to the person who owned the second most.

Since my last post, eleven games have concluded. I have hit a dry spell, not even so much as a bronze in those 11 games. So the race for the top three spots has tightened up considerably, as you can see.

Since the total amount of games concluded is now at 81 and a 15% participation rate is needed to get on the chart, we only have seven players who have completed 12 or more competition games. We do have four people in the 9-11 range who could soon come in if they increase their participation rate even slightly: aboynamedboobs, 11Joan11, nicestash, and Wolfboy137.

Okay, I have opened twelve new Competition games with manual initial troops deplyment (109-120) just now that you can join! A few other Competition games are still open from last week too. Good luck!

SKILL INDEX Points won divided by games played.
General Quigley - 0.98 (55/56)
DominatED - 0.85 (17/20)
AlexEverard - 0.84 (26/31)
farinelli - 0.64 (9/14)
maimerofmen - 0.58 (7/12)
69Chevy - 0.50 (6/12)
crazystef - 0.44 (28/64)

IBERIA MAP
81 is Under Way Game 12531042: AlexEverard, Wolfboy137, Cornal Clink, crazystef, Schlom, nicestash, Birdman13, AtlantaXY
101 is Under Way Game 12590098: General Quigley, nicestash, Dillybarr, DominatED, Tallishpaul, NoSurvivors, bent_slapshot,
LeChuck

JAPAN MAP
61 is Concluded Game 12478116: Riverside111 - gold, 11Joan11 - silver, EsaNahka - bronze
91 is Concluded Game 12552961: AlexEverard - gold, jmch81 - silver, galacticos1 - bronze
109 is Open Game 12623086: General Quigley ... so far

FIRST NATIONS AMERICAS MAP
71 is Concluded Game 12497397: ML46 - gold, DominatED - silver, Flann - bronze
92 is Under Way Game 12552968: crazystef, gdawgbhs, DominatED, Bariclaw, 1rocking, Wolfboy137, bpack88, mrgrateful
110 is Open Game 12623092: General Quigley ... so far

FIRST NATIONS NORTH AMERICA MAP
82 is Concluded Game 12531046: Wolfboy137 - gold, Forkbeard_Blue88 - silver, crazystef - bronze
102 is Open Game 12590100: General Quigley, crazystef, Worminabottle, AlexEverard, Wiskaquito ... so far

FIRST NATIONS SOUTH AMERICA MAP
93 is Under Way Game 12552972: crazystef, Worminabottle, sactown, sylvaincoyote, gdawgbhs, JimmyMcPerson, Riverside111, toshx54
111 is Open Game 12623097: General Quigley ... so far

HIVE MAP
74 is Under Way Game 12497420: YipYipDog, wreckermom, AlexEverard, jlarkin, frankyky, OwnedYou77, GamerStasia, ScootChina
94 is Under Way Game 12552988: General Quigley, IBCDD, Worminabottle, Funkaholic, AlexEverard, kitwashere, Wiskaquito, ShaunZ45
112 is Open Game 12623105: General Quigley ... so far

AMERICAN CIVIL WAR MAP
83 is Under Way Game 12531052: psinno, Wolfboy137, titocakes, mrgrateful, AlexEverard, Ragnars Wolves, StinknLincoln, iGOATi
103 is Open Game 12590103: General Quigley, nicestash, crazystef, titocakes, mrgrateful, Wiskaquito, dam77 ... so far

PELOPONNESIAN WAR MAP
63 is Under Way Game 12478129: General Quigley, AlexEverard, crazystef, farinelli, wombat4, Ed Jones, LeChuck, Solkim
84 is Concluded Game 12531054: The Archangel - gold, CJMONSTERNATOR - silver, DaveOliva - bronze
113 is Open Game 12623108: General Quigley ... so far

CLASSIC CITIES: LONDON MAP
85 is Concluded Game 12531058: nicestash - gold, crazystef - silver, mrgrateful - bronze
104 is Under Way Game 12590115: General Quigley, nicestash, crazystef, geoffc, Wiskaquito, jofarius, Disclaimed, jejakelana

NORTH AMERICA MAP
75 is Under Way Game 12497434: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, CJMONSTERNATOR, Hastuneon, Elsuper bano, Smicrich, mx70
95 is Under Way Game 12552991: General Quigley, Ragnars Wolves, crazystef, NoSurvivors, Cornal Clink, DominatED, brun010, brentros
114 is Open Game 12623112: General Quigley ... so far

8 THOUGHTS MAP
76 is Under Way Game 12497437: maimerofmen, crazystef, AlexEverard, BENCLUB, Wolfboy137, CO250, Filthy Phil, boyer
96 is Under Way Game 12552998: General Quigley, crazystef, kennuy07, Funkaholic, kiboyg13, Tiov090582, snake242, jake4146
115 is Open Game 12601816: ltcomdata, Wiskaquito, General Quigley ... so far

DOODLE EARTH MAP
86 is Concluded Game 12531066: Mladen92 - gold, Solkim - silver, demonthunder - bronze
105 is Open Game 12590112: General Quigley, crazystef, Graaf_MC, AlexEverard ... so far

CIRCUS MAXIMUS MAP
97 is Open Game 12552999: General Quigley, crazystef ... so far
116 is Open Game 12623124: General Quigley ... so far

HALLOWEEN HOLLOWS MAP
77 is Under Way Game 12497443: crazystef, Wolfboy137, Enochs BarmyArmy, Dillybarr, Funkaholic, KingJaffyJay, Major Ashhole, clickpotato
98 is Under Way Game 12553008: General Quigley, crazystef, kennuy07, Wiskaquito, lordie62, splat33756, Birdman13, porky_94024
117 is Open Game 12623132: General Quigley ... so far

WWII EUROPE MAP
78 is Concluded Game 12497452: LeFrench - gold, Vasara - silver, shabawazawhodo - bronze
99 is Under Way Game 12553012: General Quigley, JimmyMcPerson, mikegomez270, kagey1022, Jamesison, Funkaholic, röde orm, unclezeebus
118 is Open Game 12623139: General Quigley ... so far

EUROPE 1914 MAP
87 is Concluded Game 12531072: AlexEverard - gold, crazystef - silver, Wolfboy137 - bronze
106 is Under Way Game 12590119: General Quigley, nicestash, DominatED, crazystef, 69Chevy, Tallishpaul, AlexEverard, bobheadsuave

BALTIC CRUSADES MAP
88 is Under Way Game 12531076: steon2007, crazystef, AlexEverard, Wolfboy137, J-Bone, bigsacks, creel, porky_94024
107 is Open Game 12590128: General Quigley, crazystef ... so far

BERLIN 1961 MAP
89 is Under Way Game 12531081: crazystef, Wolfboy137, Graaf_MC, Funkaholic, Fuzzy Squirrels, CJMONSTERNATOR, Worminabottle, Ahbaseballer24
119 is Open [game]12623212[/open]: General Quigley ... so far

TRENCH WARFARE MAP
59 is Concluded Game 12411819: Birdman13 - gold, crazystef - silver, snotrocket5 - bronze
80 is Under Way Game 12497463: bmcubs87, Roetroc, crazystef, Funkaholic, Raka_BigMek, papagg, cekin killer, u0rns
100 is Under Way Game 12553017: General Quigley, crazystef, bmcubs87, Funkaholic, hairypied, Wiskaquito, SteinLager, SpiritRaider
120 is Open Game 12623222: General Quigley ... so far....

AUSTROHUNGARIAN EMPIRE MAP
90 is Concluded Game 12531084: nicestash - gold, 11Joan11 - silver, Wolfboy137 - bronze
108 is Open Game 12590133: General Quigley, nicestash, crazystef, mrgrateful, Wiskaquito ... so far

Earners of six or more points regardless of participation level:
General Quigley - 55
crazystef - 28
AlexEverard - 26
nicestash - 18
DominatED - 17
Wolfboy137 - 12
11Joan11 - 11
Flann - 11
farinelli - 9
shabawazawhodo - 9
wombat4 - 9
ML46 - 8
Birdman13 - 7
maimerofmen - 7
Solkim - 7
69Chevy - 6
idusmars - 6
Riverside111 - 6
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby nicestash on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:36 pm

While I don't think I'm going to be able to end of winning this competition, I am looking forward to my induction into the Skill Index. Also, when did you bring the minimum games needed to 15%? Before it was 10%;
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby General Quigley on Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:51 am

From my February 19 post in this thread in which I introduced the Skill Index concept:

General Quigley wrote: ... I want to measure skill rather than persistence, quality over quantity. I therefore want to introduce another way of measuring who wins the Competition we are involved in. I call this new measure the Skill Index. The Skill Index is a number that is derived from the raw number of points won in the competition divided by the number of games played, with some minimum number of games played in order to be listed. ... The minimum number of games played in order to be on the list will probably be set at 30 of the 200 games, maybe 40 (somewhere between 15 and 20 percent of the total number of games offered). Both the Leaderboard and the Skill Index will have importance, but I would like to consider the winner of the Competition to be the player with the highest skill index. I hope this refinement adds to the competetiveness and enjoyment of this competition.

I considered 10, 15, and 20 percent as reasonable minimums at various times and settled on 15% fairly early on. The reason I don't want to bring the number as low as 10% is because if there is a map specialist, he could play just one map of the Competition 20 times successfully and win the entire Competition.

I think you are on course to soon have the amount of participation you will need to qualify, Nicestash, and that when you do you will in all likelihood have the lead. Don't fret; play more! Besides, I enjoy learning from you. I picked up earlier on just how aware you are of each map's objective. Your latest lesson to me (by example) was how to handle would-be truce makers. You seem to mostly ignore them. I think I will give that another try.
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby nicestash on Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:36 pm

Fair enough. Once I get to 30 games I'm done. With the new manual setting, there's WAY too much noobing going around. I don't even have a chance to win by round 3 in half the games I play.

Oh, and another one bites the dust!
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby Wolfboy137 on Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:44 am

Looking forward to the next update, I just won a handful of the games and would love to see how my skill index is.
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Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby General Quigley on Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:59 pm

Since my last post, fourteen games have concluded for a total of 95. Fifteen percent of 95 games equals a minimum of 14 for participation rate purposes.

Personally speaking, either my dry spell is continuing or I am being used for target practice. Either way, my skill index continues to descend. However, more importantly, we have two new entrants to the list: nicestash and Wolfboy137! They have been having great success in most of their games in the Competition and are almost always finishing in the money. They also now meet the minimum number of games for the participation rate. They therefore come in right at the top.

SKILL INDEX Points won divided by games played.
nicestash - 1.47 (22/15)
Wolfboy137 - 1.16 (22/19)
General Quigley - 0.92 (58/63)
AlexEverard - 0.85 (33/39)
DominatED - 0.74 (17/23)
farinelli - 0.60 (9/15)
crazystef - 0.45 (35/77)

Nicestash, I can understand why you want to limit the number of games you play in the Competition. You have probably worked hard to nurse your rating to the high level it is at and don't want to risk it by playing too many games in this competetive an environment. I get it. Frankly, almost no similarly high rated players to you are participating in this Competition. I believe the reason is because it is much easier to nurse, pad, and inflate a rating to the level yours has reached by limiting games to 1-vs-1 games with inexperienced players, playing maps with some hard-to-see feature few if any other players know of, or playing team games on a team with 4 colonels and above vs 4 sergeants and below. These CC players remind me of the type of "big game hunters" who enjoy shooting prey from helicopters and fishing with dynamite. Cowards, each and every one of them. When high rated players do play in a standard tournament, I have noticed it is usually with other high rated players so that like European royalty who marry their cousins they can "keep it in the family," and thus risk less. The result is the same as with European royalty: overly inflated egos and questionable judgement due to lack of objectivity. I give you (nicestash) a lot of credit because you are willing to take risks and meet opponents on a level playing field. You have done this, still maintain a high rank, and in fact are winning this Competition. My hat is definitely off to you! In my book you are significantly stronger than your similarly rated peers; I consider your techniques worthy of close observation.

I also congratulate Wolfboy137 for some really outstanding play lately. I wonder if he can maintain it now that we are all aware of just how good he is!

Okay, I have just now opened ten new Competition games (121-130) that you can join! Some Competition games are still open from last week too. Good luck!

IBERIA MAP
81 is Concluded Game 12531042: nicestash - gold, Wolfboy137 - silver, AlexEverard - bronze
101 is Concluded Game 12590098: Dillybarr - gold, NoSurvivors - silver, Tallishpaul - bronze
121 is Open Game 12660909: General Quigley ... so far

JAPAN MAP
109 is Under Way Game 12623086: General Quigley, nicestash, crazystef, AlexEverard, wombat4, 11Joan11, tassard, eljohnson15
122 is Open Game 12660928: General Quigley ... so far

FIRST NATIONS AMERICAS MAP
92 is Concluded Game 12552968: Wolfboy137 - gold, Bariclaw - silver, 1rocking - bronze
110 is Under Way Game 12623092: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Bigmess42, AlexEverard, Worminabottle, godiva1998, Caer-bannorg
123 is Open Game 12660932: General Quigley ... so far

FIRST NATIONS NORTH AMERICA MAP
102 is Under Way Game 12590100: General Quigley, crazystef, Worminabottle, AlexEverard, Wiskaquito, Hallonbanan92, Wolfboy137, gdawgbhs
124 is Open Game 12660937: General Quigley ... so far

FIRST NATIONS SOUTH AMERICA MAP
93 is Under Way Game 12552972: crazystef, Worminabottle, sactown, sylvaincoyote, gdawgbhs, JimmyMcPerson, Riverside111, toshx54
111 is Under Way Game 12623097: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Bigmess42, AlexEverard, Worminabottle, godiva1998, Caer-bannorg

HIVE MAP
74 is Under Way Game 12497420: YipYipDog, wreckermom, AlexEverard, jlarkin, frankyky, OwnedYou77, GamerStasia, ScootChina
94 is Under Way Game 12552988: General Quigley, IBCDD, Worminabottle, Funkaholic, AlexEverard, kitwashere, Wiskaquito, ShaunZ45
112 is Under Way Game 12623105: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, skadic, pathfinde1, VIKTORY, AlexEverard, ArkieDog, jejakelana

AMERICAN CIVIL WAR MAP
83 is Concluded Game 12531052: Wolfboy137 - gold, iGOATi - silver, StinknLincoln - bronze
103 is Under Way Game 12590103: General Quigley, nicestash, crazystef, titocakes, mrgrateful, Wiskaquito, dam77, Ejbarker
125 is Open Game 12660944: General Quigley ... so far

PELOPONNESIAN WAR MAP
63 is Concluded Game 12478129: AlexEverard - gold, Solkim - silver, LeChuck - bronze
113 is Open Game 12623108: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, tonychristou, Wiskaquito ... so far

CLASSIC CITIES: LONDON MAP
104 is Concluded Game 12590115: jejakelana - gold, geoffc - silver, nicestash - bronze
126 is Open Game 12660947: General Quigley ... so far

NORTH AMERICA MAP
75 is Concluded Game 12497434: Elsuper bano - gold, Smicrich - silver, CJMONSTERNATOR - bronze
95 is Under Way Game 12552991: General Quigley, Ragnars Wolves, crazystef, NoSurvivors, Cornal Clink, DominatED, brun010, brentros
114 is Under Way Game 12623112: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, 11Joan11, mikegomez270, Wiskaquito, Elsuper bano, philephant

8 THOUGHTS MAP
76 is Concluded Game 12497437: Wolfboy137 - gold, BENCLUB - silver, maimerofmen - bronze
96 is Under Way Game 12552998: General Quigley, crazystef, kennuy07, Funkaholic, kiboyg13, Tiov090582, snake242, jake4146
115 is Under Way Game 12601816: ltcomdata, Wiskaquito, General Quigley, AlexEverard, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Hallonbanan92, k.m.carella

DOODLE EARTH MAP
105 is Concluded Game 12590112: AlexEverard - gold, Dayspring - silver, timmyd3152 - bronze
127 is Open Game 12660951: General Quigley ... so far

CIRCUS MAXIMUS MAP
97 is Under Way Game 12552999: General Quigley, crazystef, kennuy07, Wiskaquito, lordie62, splat33756, Birdman13, porky_94024
116 is Open Game 12623124: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Wiskaquito ... so far

HALLOWEEN HOLLOWS MAP
77 is Concluded Game 12497443: Funkaholic - gold, clickpotato - silver, Major Ashhole - bronze
98 is Under Way Game 12553008: General Quigley, crazystef, kennuy07, Wiskaquito, lordie62, splat33756, Birdman13, porky_94024
117 is Open Game 12623132: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Dillybarr, Wiskaquito ... so far

WWII EUROPE MAP
99 is Under Way Game 12553012: General Quigley, JimmyMcPerson, mikegomez270, kagey1022, Jamesison, Funkaholic, röde orm, unclezeebus
118 is Under Way Game 12623139: General Quigley, AlexEverard, Wolfboy137, gdawgbhs, wombat4, 11Joan11, smestelle236, maddax

EUROPE 1914 MAP
106 is Concluded Game 12590119: General Quigley - gold, crazystef - bronze, 69Chevy - bronze, bobheadsuave - bronze
128 is Open Game 12660954: General Quigley ... so far

BALTIC CRUSADES MAP
88 is Concluded Game 12531076: porky_94024 - gold, Wolfboy137 - silver, J-Bone - bronze
107 is Under Way Game 12590128: General Quigley, crazystef, AlexEverard, Wolfboy137, Funkaholic, surinam, Disclaimed, Big Dogs
129 is Open Game 12660957: General Quigley ... so far

BERLIN 1961 MAP
89 is Concluded Game 12531081: CJMONSTERNATOR - gold, Ahbaseballer24 - silver, crazystef - bronze
119 is Open Game 12623212: General Quigley, crazystef, pathfinde1 ... so far

TRENCH WARFARE MAP
80 is Concluded Game 12497463: Funkaholic - gold, u0rns - silver, cekin killer - bronze
100 is Under Way Game 12553017: General Quigley, crazystef, bmcubs87, Funkaholic, hairypied, Wiskaquito, SteinLager, SpiritRaider
120 is Open Game 12623222: General Quigley, crazystef, RISEME ... so far

AUSTROHUNGARIAN EMPIRE MAP
108 is Concluded Game 12590133: crazystef - gold, mrgrateful - bronze, Wiskaquito - bronze, CJMONSTERNATOR - bronze
130 is Open Game 12660963: General Quigley ... so far

Earners of six or more points regardless of participation level:
General Quigley - 58
crazystef - 35
AlexEverard - 33
nicestash - 22
Wolfboy137 - 22
DominatED - 17
11Joan11 - 11
Flann - 11
CJMONSTERNATOR - 10
farinelli - 9
Funkaholic - 9
shabawazawhodo - 9
Solkim - 9
wombat4 - 9
maimerofmen - 8
ML46 - 8
Birdman13 - 7
69Chevy - 7
idusmars - 6
Riverside111 - 6
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Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby General Quigley on Wed May 01, 2013 3:17 pm

Since my last post, eleven games have concluded for a total of 106. Fifteen percent participation equals a minimum of 15 games concluded in order to achieve a skill index rating and to know your place in the Competition so far.

SKILL INDEX Points won divided by games played.
nicestash - 1.50 (24/16)
Wolfboy137 - 1.17 (27/23)
AlexEverard - 0.91 (39/43)
General Quigley - 0.90 (66/73)
DominatED - 0.71 (17/24)
farinelli - 0.60 (9/15)
crazystef - 0.48 (41/85)

Congratulations are certainly in order to nicestash for maintaining such a commanding lead. I have no idea how that is even possible. Wolfboy137 sits in clear second waiting to take the lead should nicestash slip up, or fall out of the Competition due to non-participation. Wolfboy137 is no fluke. He is proving his mettle over a large number of games on a lot of different maps. Congrats to AlexEverard who has recovered his form and just moved into third above me. He is really playing well in our games. I seem to be getting people angry enough at me to hand Alex games on silver (no, make that gold) platters. Congrats to locoweed on some nice results lately. I challenge stef to bring that skill index over 0.50. Look out for Funkaholic! He has not played enough games (only 10 concluded) to be rated yet, but he has been playing more often lately. If he does come in, he will be near the top.

I am trying to post these announcements on Sundays now. It's Tuesday that I am writing you this week because yours truly was away this weekend tying for first in a chess tournament.

Okay, I have just now opened ten new Competition games (131-140) that you can join! Some Competition games are still open from last week too. Good luck!

IBERIA MAP
121 is Under Way Game 12660909: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, AlexEverard, mejihn7779, Riverside111, Duf, eljohnson15

JAPAN MAP
109 is Under Way Game 12623086: General Quigley, nicestash, crazystef, AlexEverard, wombat4, 11Joan11, tassard, eljohnson15
122 is Under Way Game 12660928: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, tassard, MartyMizzou, Graaf_MC, mike stevens69, eljohnson15

FIRST NATIONS AMERICAS MAP
110 is Under Way Game 12623092: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Bigmess42, AlexEverard, Worminabottle, godiva1998, Caer-bannorg
123 is Under Way Game 12660932: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, AlexEverard, mejihn7779, wombat4, rpshawn, bobheadsuave

FIRST NATIONS NORTH AMERICA MAP
102 is Concluded Game 12590100: AlexEverard - gold, General Quigley - silver, crazystef - bronze
124 is Under Way Game 12660937: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, AlexEverard, rpshawn, bmcubs87, mejihn7779, kazokuhouou

FIRST NATIONS SOUTH AMERICA MAP
93 is Concluded Game 12552972: crazystef - gold, sylvaincoyote - silver, gdawgbhs - bronze
111 is Concluded Game 12623097: mrgrateful - gold, Wolfboy137 - silver, Elsuper bano - bronze
131 is Open Game 12698019: General Quigley ... so far

HIVE MAP
74 is Under Way Game 12497420: YipYipDog, wreckermom, AlexEverard, jlarkin, frankyky, OwnedYou77, GamerStasia, ScootChina
94 is Concluded Game 12552988: AlexEverard - gold, General Quigley - silver, ShaunZ45 - bronze
112 is Under Way Game 12623105: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, skadic, pathfinde1, VIKTORY, AlexEverard, ArkieDog, jejakelana
132 is Open Game 12698023: General Quigley ... so far

AMERICAN CIVIL WAR MAP
103 is Concluded Game 12590103: mrgrateful - gold, nicestash - silver, Ejbarker - bronze
125 is Open Game 12660944: General Quigley, crazystef, titocakes, joanmarty ... so far

PELOPONNESIAN WAR MAP
113 is Under Way Game 12623108: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, tonychristou, Wiskaquito, CJMONSTERNATOR, bpt777, webb4545, pmhedt
133 is Open Game 12698032: General Quigley ... so far

CLASSIC CITIES: LONDON MAP
126 is Open Game 12660947: General Quigley, crazystef, AlexEverard, geoffc, saetjw ... so far

NORTH AMERICA MAP
95 is Concluded Game 12552991: brun010 - gold, NoSurvivors - silver, brentros - bronze
114 is Under Way Game 12623112: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, 11Joan11, mikegomez270, Wiskaquito, Elsuper bano, philephant
134 is Open Game 12698035: General Quigley ... so far

8 THOUGHTS MAP
96 is Under Way Game 12552998: General Quigley, crazystef, kennuy07, Funkaholic, kiboyg13, Tiov090582, snake242, jake4146
115 is Under Way Game 12601816: ltcomdata, Wiskaquito, General Quigley, AlexEverard, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Hallonbanan92, k.m.carella
135 is Open Game 12698037: General Quigley ... so far

DOODLE EARTH MAP
127 is Under Way Game 12660951: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, Graaf_MC, AlexEverard, Kingandcountry, lanyards, matbat

CIRCUS MAXIMUS MAP
97 is Concluded Game 12552999: Birdman13 - gold, crazystef - silver, lordie62 - bronze
116 is Under Way Game 12623124: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Wiskaquito, Graaf_MC, TerryRF600, lanyards, martins.05
136 is Open Game 12698040: General Quigley ... so far

HALLOWEEN HOLLOWS MAP
98 is Concluded Game 12553008: General Quigley - gold, KuribohReaper - silver, Funkaholic - bronze
117 is Under Way Game 12623132: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Dillybarr, Wiskaquito, wombat4, Sparticus142, Alex5869
137 is Open Game 12698041: General Quigley ... so far

WWII EUROPE MAP
99 is Concluded Game 12553012: Funkaholic - gold, JimmyMcPerson - silver, röde orm - bronze
118 is Concluded Game 12623139: Wolfboy137 - gold, gdawgbhs - silver, wombat4 - bronze
138 is Open Game 12698043: General Quigley ... so far

EUROPE 1914 MAP
128 is Under Way Game 12660954: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, AlexEverard, Hallonbanan92, G_M, b2a3kafra, Clan Kerr

BALTIC CRUSADES MAP
107 is Concluded Game 12590128: Funkaholic - gold, Disclaimed - silver, General Quigley - bronze
129 is Open Game 12660957: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, rpshawn ... so far

BERLIN 1961 MAP
119 is Under Way Game 12623212: General Quigley, crazystef, pathfinde1, Funkaholic, Wolfboy137, CJMONSTERNATOR, Machee, -1-1-3-
139 is Open Game 12698048: General Quigley ... so far

TRENCH WARFARE MAP
100 is Under Way Game 12553017: General Quigley, crazystef, bmcubs87, Funkaholic, hairypied, Wiskaquito, SteinLager, SpiritRaider
120 is Under Way Game 12623222: General Quigley, crazystef, RISEME, gdawgbhs, hairypied, Steelfoot, rpshawn, bobheadsuave
140 is Open Game 12698053: General Quigley ... so far

AUSTROHUNGARIAN EMPIRE MAP
130 is Open Game 12660963: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef ... so far

Earners of seven or more points regardless of participation level:
General Quigley - 66
crazystef - 41
AlexEverard - 39
Wolfboy137 - 27
nicestash - 24
DominatED - 17
Funkaholic - 16
11Joan11 - 11
Flann - 11
Birdman13 - 10
CJMONSTERNATOR - 10
mrgrateful - 10
wombat4 - 10
farinelli - 9
shabawazawhodo - 9
Solkim - 9
maimerofmen - 8
ML46 - 8
69Chevy - 7
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby General Quigley on Wed May 01, 2013 3:18 pm

Submitted the above update yesterday (Tuesday), but it didn't take for some reason.
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby nicestash on Wed May 01, 2013 8:34 pm

As of right now, I have no plans to join any more games unless the manual setting is revoked. It's a silly option considering all the other settings in these games, and one that takes the fun and skill out of it.
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Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby General Quigley on Thu May 02, 2013 3:09 pm

I am willing to open the manual settings feature of these games to a vote in order to let the democratic process prevail. I will take votes from May 1 through May 11, 23:59 GMT by any of three means: post to this forum topic, personal message to me, or post on my wall. To all players who have completed at least one Competition game: please vote your preference concerning Initial troops deployment. If there are more votes for Automatic than Manual, I will switch settings back to Automatic for the remainder of the Competition starting May 12.

Voting so far:

AUTOMATIC - nicestash
MANUAL - General Quigley

I have presented a logical argument previously for why I feel manual settings increase the skill factor. It is possible to persuade me by logic to reconsider my position (and thus my vote) on the matter.

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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby nicestash on Fri May 03, 2013 7:01 am

Manual deployment is not a skill based option, and the vast majority of players would agree with me. Because of this, manual drop is barred from basically every clan war (I've never seen a clan war where it is allowed) and very few tournament directors incorporate it into their tourneys. The reason why manual deployment is so unpopular is because of the high frequency of "noobing". Noobing is where a player (usually inexperienced) attacks a stack with their own, completely destroying any chance either player had of winning. With a manual drop, players generally cluster their troops into somewhere between 1-3 regions, so one instance of noobing can be absolutely devastating. While it is possible to leave 3s on each region like in standard deployment, this puts a player at an equally heightened disadvantage-everyone else is more compact, and as they look to take a bonus, they feel no qualms with taking out a 3 because the bonus will yield a much larger bonus. Some players claim that there is a lot of "skill" in determining the drop, but this can only be argued to apply in 1v1 or team games. With 8 players it's impossible to predict where everyone will start meaning no matter what you do, you can very easily be noobed.
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Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby General Quigley on Tue May 07, 2013 1:53 pm

Since my last post, a dozen games have concluded for a total of 118. To be rated in the Competition, a fifteen percent participation rate is required, which means you need to have a minimum of 17 games concluded in order to achieve a skill index rating and to know your place in the Competition.

SKILL INDEX Points won divided by games played.
nicestash - 1.41 (24/17)
Wolfboy137 - 1.25 (40/32)
AlexEverard - 0.96 (48/50)
General Quigley - 0.95 (80/84)
DominatED - 0.71 (17/24)
crazystef - 0.45 (43/95)

Nicestash continues to lead for now. Wolfboy137 is moving up fast on him due to some outstanding recent results. Alex and I are improving our winning percentage, but can't seem to gain ground on the leaders yet.

Okay, I have just now opened ten new Competition games (141-150) that you can join! Some Competition games are still open from last week too. Good luck!

IBERIA MAP
121 is Under Way Game 12660909: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, AlexEverard, mejihn7779, Riverside111, Duf, eljohnson15
141 is Open Game 12726288: General Quigley ... so far

JAPAN MAP
109 is Concluded Game 12623086: General Quigley - gold, tassard - silver, crazystef - bronze
122 is Concluded Game 12660928: Wolfboy137 - gold, Graaf_MC - silver, MartyMizzou - bronze
142 is Open Game 12726295: General Quigley ... so far

FIRST NATIONS AMERICAS MAP
110 is Concluded Game 12623092: Wolfboy137 - gold, AlexEverard - silver, General Quigley - bronze
123 is Concluded Game 12660932: Wolfboy137 - gold, AlexEverard - silver, bobheadsuave - bronze
143 is Open Game 12726299: General Quigley ... so far

FIRST NATIONS NORTH AMERICA MAP
124 is Under Way Game 12660937: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, AlexEverard, rpshawn, bmcubs87, mejihn7779, kazokuhouou
144 is Open Game 12726300143: General Quigley ... so far

FIRST NATIONS SOUTH AMERICA MAP
131 is Open Game 12698019: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137 ... so far

HIVE MAP
74 is Concluded Game 12497420: YipYipDog - gold, AlexEverard - silver, jlarkin - bronze
112 is Concluded Game 12623105: AlexEverard - gold, General Quigley - silver, ArkieDog - bronze
132 is Open Game 12698023: General Quigley, sblast1919, crazystef, Wolfboy137 ... so far

AMERICAN CIVIL WAR MAP
125 is Under Way Game 12660944: General Quigley, crazystef, titocakes, Wolfboy137, jessewoodall, repjay, General Greivous, bobheadsuave
145 is Open Game 12726305: General Quigley ... so far

PELOPONNESIAN WAR MAP
113 is Under Way Game 12623108: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, tonychristou, Wiskaquito, CJMONSTERNATOR, bpt777, webb4545, pmhedt
133 is Open Game 12698032: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Zecoe ... so far

CLASSIC CITIES: LONDON MAP
126 is Under Way Game 12660947: General Quigley, crazystef, AlexEverard, geoffc, saetjw, Riverside111, dragondaddy, bobheadsuave
146 is Open Game 12726315: General Quigley ... so far

NORTH AMERICA MAP
114 is Concluded Game 12623112: Wiskaquito - gold, mikegomez270 - silver, Elsuper bano - bronze
134 is Open Game 12698035: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Elsuper bano ... so far

8 THOUGHTS MAP
96 is Concluded Game 12552998: kiboyg13 - gold, snake242 - silver, kennuy07 - bronze
115 is Concluded Game 12601816: Wolfboy137 - gold, ltcomdata - silver, crazystef - bronze
135 is Open Game 12698037: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137 ... so far

DOODLE EARTH MAP
127 is Concluded Game 12660951: matbat - gold, General Quigley - silver, Wolfboy137 - bronze
147 is Open Game 12726317: General Quigley ... so far

CIRCUS MAXIMUS MAP
116 is Under Way Game 12623124: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Wiskaquito, Graaf_MC, TerryRF600, lanyards, martins.05
136 is Open Game 12698040: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137 ... so far

HALLOWEEN HOLLOWS MAP
117 is Under Way Game 12623132: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Dillybarr, Wiskaquito, wombat4, Sparticus142, Alex5869
137 is Open Game 12698041: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137 ... so far

WWII EUROPE MAP
138 is Open Game 12698043: General Quigley, sblast1919, crazystef ... so far

EUROPE 1914 MAP
128 is Under Way Game 12660954: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, AlexEverard, Hallonbanan92, G_M, b2a3kafra, Clan Kerr
148 is Open Game 12726320: General Quigley ... so far

BALTIC CRUSADES MAP
129 is Open Game 12660957: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, rpshawn, elvean, Kahlua ... so far
149 is Open Game 12726327: General Quigley ... so far

BERLIN 1961 MAP
119 is Concluded Game 12623212: General Quigley - gold, -1-1-3- - silver, Funkaholic - bronze
139 is Open Game 12698048: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137 ... so far

TRENCH WARFARE MAP
100 is Under Way Game 12553017: General Quigley, crazystef, bmcubs87, Funkaholic, hairypied, Wiskaquito, SteinLager, SpiritRaider
120 is Concluded Game 12623222: General Quigley - gold, bobheadsuave - silver, hairypied - bronze
140 is Open Game 12698053: General Quigley, sblast1919, crazystef ... so far

AUSTROHUNGARIAN EMPIRE MAP
130 is Open Game 12660963: General Quigley, crazystef ... so far
150 is Open Game 12726329: General Quigley ... so far

Earners of eight or more points regardless of participation level:
General Quigley - 80
AlexEverard - 48
crazystef - 43
Wolfboy137 - 40
nicestash - 24
DominatED - 17
Funkaholic - 17
11Joan11 - 11
Flann - 11
Birdman13 - 10
CJMONSTERNATOR - 10
mrgrateful - 10
wombat4 - 10
farinelli - 9
shabawazawhodo - 9
Solkim - 9
maimerofmen - 8
ML46 - 8
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby General Quigley on Sat May 11, 2013 9:38 am

Nicestash, I appreciate your stating your reasons for favoring automatic over manual deployment. I read and considered what you wrote carefully, but remain unconvinced.

"Manual deployment is not a skill based option, and the vast majority of players would agree with me."

Assertion followed by Appeal to Authority (majority of players) logic fallacy.

"Because of this, manual drop is barred from basically every clan war (I've never seen a clan war where it is allowed) and very few tournament directors incorporate it into their tourneys."

Appeal to Authority (clan war directors and tournament directors) logic fallacy. Just because tournament directors seldom use manual drop does not prove it is a bad idea. I suspect tournament directors at this site are in the throws of "group think" (see Wikipedia article on this topic).

"The reason why manual deployment is so unpopular is because of the high frequency of "noobing"."

Unpopular among whom? Those with artificially inflated ratings? Sources of ratings inflation have been listed previously by me in this thread. I won't belabor my points. I frequently get called a "noob" despite years of playing at CC simply because I don't subscribe to the group think assumptions and mentality of the artificially highly rated. Being called a noob has not lead me to adopt their thinking. Nor have their artificially inflated ratings.

"Noobing is where a player (usually inexperienced) attacks a stack with their own, completely destroying any chance either player had of winning."

One of the many group think assumptions of the artificially highly rated is that it is always wrong to attack a nearby stack. This is insultingly called noobing by those unable to think outside their little boxes. It is often, perhaps even usually, wrong to attack stacks, I agree, but not always, and I can easily imagine a set of circumstances where it could be right.

"With a manual drop, players generally cluster their troops into somewhere between 1-3 regions, so one instance of noobing can be absolutely devastating. While it is possible to leave 3s on each region like in standard deployment, this puts a player at an equally heightened disadvantage-everyone else is more compact, and as they look to take a bonus, they feel no qualms with taking out a 3 because the bonus will yield a much larger bonus."

Finally, we are given an argument based on reason rather than rhetoric (logical fallacy)! I agree with everything you wrote here, but I see it as an argument in favor of skill in manual deployment. Is it better to place 3 troops everywhere? You say no because this leaves one too weak everywhere and one's 3s get knocked out by the players with stacks. So you must place your troops in 1 to 3 drops. But how many? And which is best for which map given various chances factors: 1, 2, or 3? These are key strategic questions that need skill and judgement, perhaps even experience, for determination.

"Some players claim that there is a lot of "skill" in determining the drop, but this can only be argued to apply in 1v1 or team games. With 8 players it's impossible to predict where everyone will start meaning no matter what you do, you can very easily be noobed."

I am one of those players that make this claim for the use of skill in determining the drop. If you make your big drop on a Standard 42-country world map in Australia or South America, probably even in Africa in an 8-player game, you increase your chance of being noobed. Even novices know it is good to go for easy bonus territories. In an American Civil War game, drop your stack in New England, Texas, Maryland, or Virginia, and yes, someone will likely have his stack nearby and you will have a rough time. Put your stack in the Badlands or on the ships, and you have only maybe one person to defeat (or avoid) who thought likewise. You are better positioned to win the game of survival, and yes nuclear is more a game of survival (particularly on small maps) than any other variation. Every map has nuances like this.

Sure, bad luck in finding your stack surrounded by other player's stacks can lead to early defeat. However, it remains my opinion that skill in original placement, and subsequent avoidance vs. confrontation decisions, and how one goes about this (leaving stacks next to others stacks is often insufficient avoidance) more determines the game's outcome than the luck factor of where other players drop stacks.

In sum, while I concede that their is a bad luck factor of being "noobed" out of a game early on, I still believe there are more skill factors involved, and that these factors more than compensate. So far the voting is

Manual deployment - General Quigley
Automatic deployment - nice stash
a 50/50 combination of both - Alex Everard

If no majority votes on a change, I will leave things as they are. I will extend voting one additional day to provide voters one last chance to get their vote in if they wish to, and close the voting at 0000 GMT Monday morning, which is Sunday evening in most US time zones.

Cheers,
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby crazystef on Mon May 13, 2013 2:33 pm

my vote is leave them as they are
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Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby General Quigley on Tue May 14, 2013 12:40 pm

The votes are in and we will be finishing the Competition under manual settings by a 2 to 1 majority, with 1 person wanting a combination. I am sorry to lose nice stash's participation, but you know, this competition is not for the easily frightened. If one is unable to figure out a strategy for dealing with the manual drop setting, perhaps it is best not to participate. I think I have one figured out though. I notice a number of very high rated players are starting to play in more of these games lately, particularly on the Baltic map. They seem to have figured something out.

Since my last post, just six games have concluded for a total of 124. To be rated in the Competition, a fifteen percent participation rate is required, which means you need to have a minimum of 18 games concluded in order to achieve a skill index rating and to know your place in the Competition.

SKILL INDEX Points won divided by games played.
Wolfboy137 - 1.26 (44/35)
AlexEverard - 1.06 (56/53)
General Quigley - 0.91 (82/90)
DominatED - 0.71 (17/24)
crazystef - 0.46 (46/101)

Congratulations to Wolfboy137 who now moves into clear first place. He continues to improve his skill index rating too. Alex is gaining ground on Wolfboy. Is there an upset in the making? My results have been languishing of late. There are a number of Competition games still open. So I think I will hold off opening any new ones for now.

IBERIA MAP
121 is Concluded Game 12660909: eljohnson15 - gold, AlexEverard - silver, crazystef - bronze
141 is Open Game 12726288: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, what,me worry?, Tallishpaul ... so far

JAPAN MAP
142 is Under Way Game 12726295: General Quigley, AlexEverard, Wolfboy137, crazystef, what,me worry?, 4red, DominatED, DuZ

FIRST NATIONS AMERICAS MAP
143 is Under Way Game 12726299: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, AlexEverard, boow, DominatED, mejihn7779, Von Kaiser

FIRST NATIONS NORTH AMERICA MAP
124 is Under Way Game 12660937: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, AlexEverard, rpshawn, bmcubs87, mejihn7779, kazokuhouou
144 is Open Game 12726300: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, shallowhalc ... so far

FIRST NATIONS SOUTH AMERICA MAP
131 is Open Game 12698019: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, AlexEverard ... so far

HIVE MAP
132 is Under Way Game 12698023: General Quigley, sblast1919, crazystef, Wolfboy137, what,me worry?, VIKTORY, Glühwürmchen
0, aflynmonkey8

AMERICAN CIVIL WAR MAP
125 is Under Way Game 12660944: General Quigley, crazystef, titocakes, Wolfboy137, jessewoodall, repjay, General Greivous, bobheadsuave
145 is Under Way Game 12726305: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, AlexEverard, magiclashes, what,me worry?, titocakes, Riverside111

PELOPONNESIAN WAR MAP
113 is Under Way Game 12623108: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, tonychristou, Wiskaquito, CJMONSTERNATOR, bpt777, webb4545, pmhedt
133 is Open Game 12698032: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Zecoe, AlexEverard, gpowell ... so far

CLASSIC CITIES: LONDON MAP
126 is Concluded Game 12660947: AlexEverard - gold, crazystef - silver, geoffc - bronze
146 is Under Way Game 12726315: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, what,me worry?, AlexEverard, kennuy07, trboye, Machee

NORTH AMERICA MAP
134 is Under Way Game 12698035: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Elsuper bano, what,me worry?, amirzinaty, Riverside111, QUAYS

8 THOUGHTS MAP
135 is Open Game 12698037: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137 ... so far

DOODLE EARTH MAP
147 is Open Game 12726317: General Quigley, AlexEverard, Wolfboy137, crazystef, BluU, what,me worry? ... so far

CIRCUS MAXIMUS MAP
116 is Concluded Game 12623124: Wolfboy137 - gold, martins.05 - silver, Graaf_MC - bronze
136 is Open Game 12698040: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137 ... so far

HALLOWEEN HOLLOWS MAP
117 is Under Way Game 12623132: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Dillybarr, Wiskaquito, wombat4, Sparticus142, Alex5869
137 is Open Game 12698041: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137 ... so far

WWII EUROPE MAP
138 is Open Game 12698043: General Quigley, sblast1919, crazystef, what,me worry?, AlexEverard, LeFrench ... so far

EUROPE 1914 MAP
128 is Concluded Game 12660954: AlexEverard - gold, Wolfboy137 - bronze, Hallonbanan92 - bronze, b2a3kafra - bronze
148 is Under Way Game 12726320: General Quigley, EightFingerEddie, Wolfboy137, crazystef, u0rns, sonofabs, Mithrandylan, eljohnson15

BALTIC CRUSADES MAP
129 is Concluded Game 12660957: Walslaf - gold, Stevinator - silver, dragosh - bronze
149 is Under Way Game 12726327: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, ranc1dPsych0, what,me worry?, AlexEverard, mixalis, trboye

BERLIN 1961 MAP
139 is Open Game 12698048: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, what,me worry? ... so far

TRENCH WARFARE MAP
100 is Concluded Game 12553017: hairypied - gold, General Quigley - silver, Funkaholic - bronze
140 is Open Game 12698053: General Quigley, sblast1919, crazystef, what,me worry? ... so far

AUSTROHUNGARIAN EMPIRE MAP
130 is Open Game 12660963: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, DominatED ... so far
150 is Under Way Game 12726329: General Quigley, EightFingerEddie, Wolfboy137, crazystef, ranc1dPsych0, BogdanNS, what,me worry?, Machee

Earners of nine or more points regardless of participation level:
General Quigley - 82
AlexEverard - 56
crazystef - 46
Wolfboy137 - 44
nicestash - 24
Funkaholic - 18
DominatED - 17
11Joan11 - 11
Flann - 11
Birdman13 - 10
CJMONSTERNATOR - 10
mrgrateful - 10
wombat4 - 10
farinelli - 9
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby AlexEverard on Wed May 15, 2013 12:22 pm

Scored 8 points off 3 games (Gold, Gold, Silver), so I am leaving myself room to improve!
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Re: Winter 2013 Nuclear Competition

Postby General Quigley on Mon May 20, 2013 12:51 pm

I have made two recent settings mistakes, both on Peloponnesian War maps for some odd reason. Game 113 was opened with Sequential instead of Freestyle play order. I don't think the difference between the two is of enough magnitude that I have to invalidate that game and open another. However, it is no doubt going to be one of the last games of the Competition to finish. Eight player sequential games take months to play! I am glad it's not a Hive game. Then, it might even have taken a year! Game 133, a Peloponnesian War map game, was opened with escalating rather than nuclear spoils. I do have to invalidate that ongoing game since this is a Nuclear Competition. I am starting another game 133 with nuclear spoils to take its place.

Since my last post, five more games have concluded for a total of 129. To be rated in the Competition, a fifteen percent participation rate is required, which means a minimum of 19 games concluded is needed in order to achieve a skill index rating and to know your place in the Competition. Only five Nuclear warriors have participated in fifteen percent of the Competition games, which makes it a five person race right now. I am opening eleven new games today and will open the last 40 games of the Competition over the next 27 days. So there are plenty of opportunities to up your participation rate and finish in the money (that being gold, silver, or bronze).

SKILL INDEX Points won divided by games played.
Wolfboy137 - 1.30 (52/40)
AlexEverard - 1.11 (61/55)
General Quigley - 0.87 (82/94)
DominatED - 0.71 (17/24)
crazystef - 0.51 (54/105)

Congratulations to Wolfboy137 who maintains his clear first with incredibly consistent high performance. He continues to incrementally improve his skill index rating too. The gulf between Alex and me continues to widen. Some players may up their participation rates in these last 50-60 games to achieve a total of 30 games played and become rated. Otherwise, I am wondering if we may be looking at a preview of the final standings for the first Nuclear Competition. I plan to offer these Competitions at least once, maybe twice per year. So, we truly are making a permanent historical record here.

IBERIA MAP
141 is Under Way Game 12726288: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, what,me worry?, Tallishpaul, DominatED, mike stevens69, Riverside111

JAPAN MAP
142 is Under Way Game 12726295: General Quigley, AlexEverard, Wolfboy137, crazystef, what,me worry?, 4red, DominatED, DuZ

FIRST NATIONS AMERICAS MAP
143 is Under Way Game 12726299: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, AlexEverard, boow, DominatED, mejihn7779, Von Kaiser

FIRST NATIONS NORTH AMERICA MAP
124 is Concluded Game 12660937: AlexEverard - gold, rpshawn - silver, bmcubs87 - bronze
144 is Under Way Game 12726300: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, shallowhalc, DominatED, sfl, mejihn7779, QUAYS

FIRST NATIONS SOUTH AMERICA MAP
131 is Open Game 12698019: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, AlexEverard, DominatED, mejihn7779 ... so far
151 is Open Game 12775481: General Quigley ... so far

HIVE MAP
132 is Under Way Game 12698023: General Quigley, sblast1919, crazystef, Wolfboy137, what,me worry?, VIKTORY, Glühwürmchen
0, aflynmonkey8
152 is Open Game 12775487: General Quigley ... so far

AMERICAN CIVIL WAR MAP
125 is Concluded Game 12660944: jessewoodall - gold, crazystef - silver, Wolfboy137 - bronze
145 is Under Way Game 12726305: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, AlexEverard, magiclashes, what,me worry?, titocakes, Riverside111

PELOPONNESIAN WAR MAP
113 is Under Way Game 12623108: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, tonychristou, Wiskaquito, CJMONSTERNATOR, bpt777, webb4545, pmhedt
133 is Open Game 12775496: General Quigley ... so far
153 is Open Game 12775511: General Quigley ... so far

CLASSIC CITIES: LONDON MAP
146 is Under Way Game 12726315: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, what,me worry?, AlexEverard, kennuy07, trboye, Machee

NORTH AMERICA MAP
134 is Under Way Game 12698035: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, Elsuper bano, what,me worry?, amirzinaty, Riverside111, QUAYS
154 is Open Game 12775516: General Quigley ... so far

8 THOUGHTS MAP
135 is Open Game 12698037: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, AlexEverard ... so far
155 is Open Game 12775522: General Quigley ... so far

DOODLE EARTH MAP
147 is Open Game 12726317: General Quigley, AlexEverard, Wolfboy137, crazystef, BluU, what,me worry? ... so far

CIRCUS MAXIMUS MAP
136 is Open Game 12698040: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137 ... so far
156 is Open Game 12775527: General Quigley ... so far

HALLOWEEN HOLLOWS MAP
117 is Concluded Game 12623132: crazystef - gold, Wolfboy137 - silver, wombat4 - bronze
137 is Open Game 12698041: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137 ... so far
157 is Open Game 12775533: General Quigley ... so far

WWII EUROPE MAP
138 is Under Way Game 12698043: General Quigley, sblast1919, crazystef, what,me worry?, AlexEverard, LeFrench, QUAYS
3, BisdeCapri
158 is Open Game 12775535: General Quigley ... so far

EUROPE 1914 MAP
148 is Concluded Game 12726320: crazystef - gold, Wolfboy137 - silver, EightFingerEddie - bronze

BALTIC CRUSADES MAP
149 is Under Way Game 12726327: General Quigley, Wolfboy137, crazystef, ranc1dPsych0, what,me worry?, AlexEverard, mixalis, trboye

BERLIN 1961 MAP
139 is Open Game 12698048: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, what,me worry?, AlexEverard ... so far
159 is Open Game 12775542: General Quigley ... so far

TRENCH WARFARE MAP
140 is Open Game 12698053: General Quigley, sblast1919, crazystef, what,me worry? ... so far
160 is Open Game 12775547: General Quigley ... so far

AUSTROHUNGARIAN EMPIRE MAP
130 is Open Game 12660963: General Quigley, crazystef, Wolfboy137, DominatED ... so far
150 is Under Way Game 12726329: General Quigley, EightFingerEddie, Wolfboy137, crazystef, ranc1dPsych0, BogdanNS, what,me worry?, Machee

Earners of nine or more points regardless of participation level:
General Quigley - 82
AlexEverard - 61
crazystef - 54
Wolfboy137 - 52
nicestash - 24
Funkaholic - 18
DominatED - 17
mrgrateful - 12
wombat4 - 11
11Joan11 - 11
Flann - 11
Birdman13 - 10
CJMONSTERNATOR - 10
farinelli - 9
shabawazawhodo - 9
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