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Postby MarVal on Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:03 pm

Answers of the suggestions of Marvaddin:

1st, the image is not too small. Tthe circles are tested in the XML Reader of the Conquer Club. And the circles will fit in the countries.

2nd, I will change the color of the names in the blue continent into white.

3rd, Look at he map Montreal. Some countries have also long names. Also you're map Brazil have some countries with long names, also map Space, etc.

4th, The're is an option to devide continent Zuid- en Oost-Nederland into continent Zuid-Nederland (6 countries) and continent Oost-Nederland (4 countries).

5th: Waddengebied is the country name of all 7 islands. It looks strange, but those islands have one circle. Is there someone who have an idea to make it clearer?

6th: That are the flags of Holland and Luxembourg. Belgium in the center is an option.

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Postby socralynnek on Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:04 pm

You could use that one for Luxembourg:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Coat_ ... mbourg.png

That's the one for the grand duchy.
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Postby MarVal on Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:29 pm

No, that's the sign of the city Luxembourg, not the country Luxembourgh.

But thanks for you're suggestion.

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Re: BeNeLux (made by the Dutch Language Forum)

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:51 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:I really, really like your map. It looks very good. Well done. Might I suggest making a kind of extra bonus for occupying the cities of Amsterdam, Bruxelles and Luxembourg City? Whoever has the three cities could get a +2 army bonus per turn for example.


Any feedback on this suggestion?

Also I don't know what all the fuss about the flags is about. Those are the original flags and that's what should be used. The flags don't affect gameplay or anything so leave them like they are in real life.
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Re: BeNeLux (made by the Dutch Language Forum)

Postby MarVal on Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:56 am

Ruben Cassar wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:I really, really like your map. It looks very good. Well done. Might I suggest making a kind of extra bonus for occupying the cities of Amsterdam, Bruxelles and Luxembourg City? Whoever has the three cities could get a +2 army bonus per turn for example.


Any feedback on this suggestion?


I like you're idea. Any one else?

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Postby Nikita_2006 on Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:13 am

Marval If you have in mind to change the map, do it on this way:

1 - Add overijssel (Salland + twenthe) to Noord Nederland
2 - Get rid of the strange deviding of Drenthe
3 - And the waddeneilanden are what they are, a part of the two nothern countries of Noord-nederland, and no longer a separate country.

If you do it this way you have 5 countries in Noord-nederland and 8 in Zuid-oost-nederland.

And the islands of Zeeland must be one country, the same as on the real map of Holland, accept of the nothern island which belongs to country Zuid-Holland. Texel which actually belongs to Noord-holland will in this case be a separate country. So this continent then has 6 countries

Deviding Zuid-oost-nederland in 2 continents of 5 countries isn't a good idea because then you have 3 continents in row with 5 countries.

The extra bonus for holding the Amsterdam and Brussel is a good idea, but then we have to get rid of Brabant.

If you do it on this way then there are six contionents left, as on the classic world-map.
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UPDATE 01

Postby MarVal on Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:10 pm

UPDATE 01

Below the latest development of the map BeNeLux. Look at the first topic to view the map BeNeLux. The most of the suggestions that were mentioned:

- Luxembourg only 1 extra armies instead of 2.
- Belgisch Brabant only 2 extra armies instead of 3.
- West-Nederland 6 extra armies instead of 5.
- Occupying the cities of Amsterdam, Bruxelles and Luxembourg (Stad) 1 extra army.
- White text on Zuid- en Oost-Nederland.
- River between Veluwe / Achterhoek and Betuwe.
- Waddengebied looks now as 1 continent.
- Combine Noord-Limburg and Zuid-Limburg into Limburg.
- Combine Noord-Drenthe and Zuid-Drenthe into Drenthe.
- Extra country for continent Vlaanderen, named Brugse Ommeland
- Extra country for continent La Wallonie, named Mons.

So let us know what U think about the map BeNeLux so far.

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Postby reverend_kyle on Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:12 pm

I like the progress coming on you guys's map.
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Postby Nikita_2006 on Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:55 am

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Postby MarVal on Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:52 pm

The same back for all of you guys!

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Postby VDB on Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:45 am

MarVal wrote:No, that's the sign of the city Luxembourg, not the country Luxembourgh.

But thanks for you're suggestion.

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No MarVal, that is the coat and arms of the grand Duchy (the country of Luxemburg). Using the Flemisch Lion, The Walloon Rooster and the Dutch Lion would make things a bit clearer and would at the same time confirm the political realities in Belgium (Federal state, comprising both Flanders and Wallonia)
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Postby MarVal on Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:08 pm

So, you're advice is the coat of arms of two countries (the Netherlands and Luxembourg) and two territories (Flemisch and Walloon) instead of the three national flags of Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg?

Only must Belgium divide in two coat of arms? Is the're no coat of arms of Belgium?
- If its an yes; why don't we use that,
- or its a no; will that be logical and clearness for non-Western Europe Conquers of the Club?

Because its the map of BeNeLux and that are the countries of Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg. And not the territories of Flemisch and Walloon separate of BeNeLux?
I think the map is not made for politic statements and so on. The map is for playability, funfactor, and so on.

Everybody can see already in the legenda of the map that Belgium is devided in two big territories, Vlaanderen (Flemisch) and La Walonnie (Walloon). Whats the surplus value too seperate Belgium in two coats of arms?

But I'm also human and might be wrong.
We shall see what others think of this subject.

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Postby Nikita_2006 on Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:47 pm

Decide wich period of time you want the map to be on

In the past day's Willem the 3e was the monarch of Holland and Luxemburg, and the Belgian residents decided to live apart.
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Postby Ruben Cassar on Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:06 pm

Keep the map exactly as it is, with the current divisions and coat of arms.

It is already accurate the way it is. Belgium is one country divided in regions like Wallonia and Flanders and that's how you have already done the map.

Besides I think the coat of arms are great as they are and anyway they don't affect the gameplay in any way so once again I don't see why people are making a fuss about them being similar. Heck even the flags of Russia and Holland or of Italy and Ireland are similar but that's life!
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Postby RuS on Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:18 pm

And yet again, i'd rather see 'kempen' (with a piece of limburg also) than now the extra continent 'brugse ommeland', in belgium, everyone knows 'de kempen' but not everyone knows 'het brugse ommeland'
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Postby happysadfun on Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:33 am

MarVal wrote:No, that's the sign of the city Luxembourg, not the country Luxembourgh.

But thanks for you're suggestion.

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It says Grand Duchy. Isn't that the country?

BTW, is Grtz your multi account or something? :D
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Postby onbekende on Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:51 am

Grand Dutchy a country? :D

no

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Postby MarVal on Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:01 pm

RuS wrote:And yet again, i'd rather see 'kempen' (with a piece of limburg also) than now the extra continent 'brugse ommeland', in belgium, everyone knows 'de kempen' but not everyone knows 'het brugse ommeland'


Oké, I agree and find it a good option.
I wait if more people wants De Kempen (the north of Antwerpen and Belgisch Limburg) instead of Brugse Ommeland.
So please people let us know what U think about it?

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And like onbekende says: Grtz means Greetings...
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UPDATE 02

Postby MarVal on Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:57 pm

UPDATE 02

Below the latest development of the map BeNeLux. Look at the first topic to view the map. Some suggestions that were mentioned:

- Country Ostkantone instead of Country Verviers.
- New Coats of arms of Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg.
- Graphics, such as the sea, the landarea around the BeNeLux and the rivers.

So let us know what U think about the map BeNeLux so far.

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Postby onbekende on Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:09 pm

Very nice, I have only 1 thing to say

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Postby Marvaddin on Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:20 pm

Before that, let me give another look... :D

Well, I still dont believe double numbers can fit well in these little circles, but if you tested already, great :)

Are those dark areas supposed to be hills or something? They are beautiful in pink and green continent, but they arent helping to much in the other areas, specially in light ones where they are not texturized, and mainly in Vlaams Brabant, where it looks like another country, in fact.

About the capitals, can I suggest you change Vlaams Brabant name to Bruxelles, and mark it with a simple star (without the "B") and do the same to other capitals?

I like the ocean. But, the shields are too bright, I believe... And could you try put the names of the continents in the proper colours in the legend? By the way, the title looks like very simplistic, and the map could deserve something more elaborated... why orange, is there a reason (just curious, since you are always posting Benelux in orange, too)?

I suppose you are going to abbreviate some names in the xml, at least, so the drop box wont be gigantic, huh? :wink:

About playability, a classic analysis...
Countries, Border countries, Attack routes.
Luxembourg, 3, 1, 2... bonus 1 ok
La Wallonie, 9, 5, 6... bonus could be 6... or you could block the route to neufchateau.
Belgisch Brabant, 2, 2, 6... bonus 2 ok, since you can start already with half of it... or it all :)
Vlaanderen, 6, 6, 8... for a bonus of 4? And the countries arent connected! Man, this is the most undervalued continent of all maps, not even Africa (classic) can be worse... I would strongly suggest block the routes to the countries to west, and connect the countries, so it would simply suck (with a bonus of 4), but this way and with this bonus its simply the worst ever :shock:
Zuid en Oost (Southeast??) Nederland, 9, 5, 7... bonus of 6 could be ok, but I would suggest block at least one attack route, maybe Drenthe.
West Nederland, 9, 7, 8... bonus 6 is too low... Again, maybe blocking some routes...
Noord Nederland, 4, 3, 4,... bonus of 3 is ok.

In fact, most regions have many borders, many of these borders are small and could be easily removed... Some more unpassable, or little adjusts to borders would be greatly benefic. At least, in my opinion... Or, split some continents? A map with, 3 regions of 9 countries each... and at least 5 borders... the greatest wasteland ever, lol... and 3 minor continents. If you dont grab one of these, to where will you run? :roll:

Dont stress if your goal is something like this, Im just pointing it, so people can discuss, give alternatives, etc... :D
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Postby Wisse on Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:30 am

Marvaddin wrote:Zuid en Oost (Southeast??) Nederland, 9, 5, 7... bonus of 6 could be ok,

no not southeast but south and east
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Postby MarVal on Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:27 am

Marvaddin wrote:Dont stress if your goal is something like this, Im just pointing it, so people can discuss, give alternatives, etc... :D


No, I will not stress. On the contrary I think you're suggestions are great.
You're quit good of making maps (Like Brazil), so I'm glad you will help use to make a playable gamemap. Thanks.

By the way, Orange is the color of the monarchies.

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Postby Wisse on Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:34 am

MarVal wrote:
Marvaddin wrote:Dont stress if your goal is something like this, Im just pointing it, so people can discuss, give alternatives, etc... :D


No, I will not stress. On the contrary I think you're suggestions are great.
You're quit good of making maps (Like Brazil), so I'm glad you will help use to make a playable gamemap. Thanks.

By the way, Orange is the color of the monarchies.

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P.S.: About the Final Forge. I don't think we can put the map BeNelux into the Final Forge. Only AndyDufresne (our Zookeeper & Foundry Foreman) can do it. Or am I wrong?

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Postby happysadfun on Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:38 am

onbekende wrote:Grand Dutchy a country? :D

no

and grtz is a sort of greetings

Grand Duchy of Luxembourg is the official name. It is ruled by a Grand Duke, so Grand Duchy is its governmental system.

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