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by **natty dread** on Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:34 am

Updates are ready

http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/2/7/2 ... arWar5.xml

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by **Leehar** on Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:20 am

natty_dread wrote:
shocked439 wrote:in the games i've played no one is taking the helium mine, I didn't consider doing it because I was confused in instruction boxes. One box says helium-3 and one says helium mines are +3 in my mind they negated each other. I have since decided it's easier to win by eliminating the competition rather than holding an objective

They are Helium-3 mines... like it says on the map you are fighting for Helium-3, not Helium... as in, He-3, the fusion fuel, not He, the balloon fuel...

Anyway, I'm thinking of this:

- objective down to shuttle + 5 mines
- missile bases up to 17 neutrals

I just noticed this, and I was wondering why it's only coming into effect after reset? (ie Missile bases reset to 17 neutals) Shouldn't it start with 17 as well instead of the 15 for balance? (Or did this come into effect mid-game or something?)
It also may be a bit misleading in foggy games

by **MrBenn** on Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:18 am

The changes have gone live - changes to neutrals (of which killers are a subset) only take effect for new games or when they reset. (the game engine doesn't check and amend the value of armies on each affected territoriy in each affected game).

This is why the map has a Beta designation ;-)

by **Cyclone_23x** on Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:39 am

So I've been playing games on here lately and I want to know what has changed.

It seems that either the bases reset to 17 or start at 17 or both? which is it?

Thanks in advance!

by **natty dread** on Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:03 am

by **MrBenn** on Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:04 am

Cyclone_23x wrote:So I've been playing games on here lately and I want to know what has changed.

It seems that either the bases reset to 17 or start at 17 or both? which is it?

Thanks in advance!

New games will have the bases starting at 17 and resetting to 17.

Existing games will also now reset to 17 (although may not have 17 already on them)

by **Victor Sullivan** on Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:25 pm

I've been playing 17 neutral games and haven't noticed much of a difference in people going for the shuttles. The objective is fine I think, but I also think the base neutrals need to be hiked up to 20.

-Sully

by **Leehar** on Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:29 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:I've been playing 17 neutral games and haven't noticed much of a difference in people going for the shuttles. The objective is fine I think, but I also think the base neutrals need to be hiked up to 20.

-Sully

Nooo, I like using the base neutrals. Why not try look at making the shuttles more appealing, instead of the bases more unappealing?

But nonetheless, if you're looking for a Das schloss type feel, then I think the only way is to do a 60 type on the bases, anything less and the shuttles still look less appealing as an objective.
(I basically look at it as, I usually only have 5/4 + 17 before I can start hitting the enemy and look at eliminating, reducing troop counts etc, while with shuttle's it's upward of 30 to hold with whatever more to get to them, and the unlikely possibility of holding them when the opponent can still deploy 16 troops etc) (obviously I'm primarily thinking of 1v1, but the general principle holds true hopefully and you get what I'm saying)

by **natty dread** on Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:06 pm

Let's wait for a while before jumping into conclusions.

I've already won a game via the objective - and this was before the update. Like I said before, I don't want to mess with the gameplay too much, I kinda like the dynamics of the game right now, so if there's no real problems with the gameplay I'm hesitant to make any changes just because a map doesn't play like I had planned... after all, the mapmaker only provides the scenario, it's up to the players to come up with the strategies for it.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:29 pm

I lost my shuttle by my third turn in at least three games since the update came out, and one guy was actually eliminated by the third turn! Seems like it's still flawed to me.

-Sully

by **natty dread** on Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:07 pm

You're just not playing it right.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:35 pm

natty_dread wrote:You're just not playing it right.

Lol, okay then. So my going for the He-3 reserves (aka the OBJECTIVE) is "not playing it right"? Just sayin'...

by **natty dread** on Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:53 pm

Well in my experience, on this map (as on many others) the strategy varies widely from one game type to another. But generally, it is not wise to go for the objective right at the start, you should first concentrate on strengthening your positions so that you will also be able to hold the objective once you manage to grab it.

Anyway, I'm just sayin' we should wait for further input from people playing on various game types before declaring the map "flawed".

by **Victor Sullivan** on Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:53 pm

natty_dread wrote:Well in my experience, on this map (as on many others) the strategy varies widely from one game type to another. But generally, it is not wise to go for the objective right at the start, you should first concentrate on strengthening your positions so that you will also be able to hold the objective once you manage to grab it.

That's what I do...
Anyway, I'm just sayin' we should wait for further input from people playing on various game types before declaring the map "flawed".[/quote]
Very well, Mr. Dread, very well... We shall see who wins this debate soon enough! Smithers! My bags, please! Good day to you sir.

-Sully

by **melech14** on Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:08 am

I like the gameplay but have never seen anyone take the objective. I think 17 neutral on bases is fine, but it would be nice to seee another change on the objective: how about 3 shuttles and 3 mine (or 4 mines).... that wat you will need to take the base at least once to gain a shuttle... and the objective will be an actual threat earlier in the game. Great map!