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Re: South Africa 1885 Dropping standard GP? p.4

Postby Industrial Helix on Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:36 am

Thanks for the history lesson Ahuatl, it kind of sheds some light on some of the areas of the map.

To me this map serves as a precursor to the Union of South Africa and it reflects the tumultuous times before the British finally emerged as the dominant player in the region. I dunno, perhaps the standard gameplay of conquer would be adequate for this map. I think Andy makes a good point in saying its unique enough in gameplay and location.... I mean we have Egypt, Madagascar and Africa which address the continent of Africa.
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Re: South Africa 1885 Dropping standard GP? p.4

Postby captainwalrus on Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:47 pm

Yeah, I kindda think standard is the way to go. A map doesn't need to have fancey bells and whistles in order to be unique.
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Re: South Africa 1885 Dropping standard GP? p.4

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:29 pm

Ok, made a few of the graphical suggestions on the map.

I dropped the sea from the legend and I'm not sure if I like it.

I also moved the borders inside the mountains and I don't know how I feel about it... it looks good on the cape colonies but places like Basutoland just aren't all that cool. I'm going to give it some time before I decide on what to do.
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Re: South Africa 1885 Update p. 5

Postby Industrial Helix on Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:01 pm

I was wondering why nobody was commenting on this... I forgot to post the image...


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Re: South Africa 1885 Update p. 5

Postby natty dread on Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:55 am

Looks good. But the anchors are still kinda out of place. Make them thicker, so it looks like they're drawn with the same pen as the other lines.

The mountains look better now, although you could smooth them a bit in some places, there's some pixelation showing.

Also there's still some colour going over the mountain in the south. Could you make it so that the colour border goes around the mountain like you've done elsewhere? I realize there's not much space there, but it's better that the colour goes over the territory names than on the mountains.
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Re: South Africa 1885 Update p. 5

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:31 am

If you are disliking the legend---you can try to differentiate it a little more---I.E. darken/lighten the non-playable area so it doesn't just bleed outside of the box containing it into the gameboard non-playable area. You can always try to spruce up the visuals of the legend, a more decorative border (though I think the relatively simplistic style you have now is working pretty well).

The title seems out of place---probably because everything else is "drawn" while it feels like an image pasted. Why not try a line drawing of the shield and spears? Something more simplistic/minimalist might work better.


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Re: South Africa 1885 Update p. 5

Postby jefjef on Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:58 pm

Just drop the legend box. Have it as a drawing instead of an insert.

Andy is correct for sure on the title.

Amatongaland might oughta be worth 2 considering all the port connections.
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Re: South Africa 1885 Update p. 5

Postby lt_oddball on Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:35 am

I like the map choice.
Have to look into detail lateron.

For now I only have a problem with the thick stift colours in combination with the handwritten font.
Makes it sometimes illegible.
But I'm sure that is something for later.

Also I think some territories are a bit small..
You mentioned you find this map "too cluttered", then think about merging the smallest territories into others..
(Thaba, natal , motito are particularly tiny)
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Re: South Africa 1885 Update p. 5

Postby Industrial Helix on Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:06 pm

Thought I'd give this thread a bump.

How does everyone feel about cutting some territories and making this a smaller map?

I'm think removing 1-2 territories from Natal and The Orange Free State and pulling Malmesbury from West Cape.

Either way, I don't think this map can past the Melting Pot until 13 Colonies is quenched... but it would be nice to get it in shape while we're waiting.
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Re: South Africa 1885 Update p. 5

Postby natty dread on Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:01 pm

Nooo, there are plenty of small maps already...

Although it might work as well. But if you need to cut back territories I'd rather suggest merging Stellaland.
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Re: South Africa 1885 Update p. 5

Postby MrBenn on Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:24 pm

If you're going to drop any territories, you should only drop 1, to keep 44 (which is an optimal number). Either that, or I'd suggest adding a couple to see if you can get up to 52/53 terrs...
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Re: South Africa 1885 Update p. 5

Postby Industrial Helix on Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:30 pm

I need a little help...

Does anyone know what warriors or soldiers were called in Lesotho (Basutoland), Amatonga or Swaziland? Or even what the word for soldier or warrior or army is. It's a stretch but figuring there's a few people on these forums from those parts there's a chance. I guess I'll continue to research on my own until i find something.
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Re: South Africa 1885 Update p. 5

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:35 pm

Nevermind, I found the answers I was looking for :D But it wasn't easy.

So, I ditched the minimap... seemed like too much to me. And with this new key, you can get an idea of the different peoples and cultures in South Africa.

I also added a border to liven things up.

I lost the texture on the land, which really clears things up in my opinion and I went with ship wheels instead of anchors.

I also moved zululand's borders a little north to connect it to Swaziland and seal off Amatongaland, which, as it turns out, were all zulu peoples though not of the same political union. Zululand frequently raided these areas, so it seemed logical that they connect to me.

One graphics question I have is whether or not the country indicator color should go under the terr. names or not. With Zululand this is difficult because the dark green makes it hard to read, so I cut it. Maybe a glow around the letters?

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Re: South Africa 1885 1/22/10

Postby natty dread on Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:49 pm

Wow, that looks amazing! Really a big improvement.

The mountains fit the map well now. Although you could also try them with just a bit lighter shade, just to see how it looks?
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Re: South Africa 1885 1/22/10

Postby ender516 on Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:09 pm

Yes, this is impressive. With regard to colour behind the text, I think a white glow around the black text might give the contrast you need to put it on any background colour.
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Re: South Africa 1885 1/22/10

Postby Industrial Helix on Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:51 pm

I'm gonna give this thing a bump as it should be the next map into the Gameplay Workshop as 13 Colonies is in Beta and it looks like Italian and German Unification are soon for Beta as well. SO gameplay crits are well appreciated as are graphics.
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Re: South Africa 1885 1/22/10

Postby danryan on Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:55 pm

North cape and east cape are too similar in color. But I love the strong theme and how it applies to the graphics! Really liking what's coming through the foundry these days. =D>
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Re: South Africa 1885 1/22/10

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:01 pm

Looking forward to the continued development of this map.


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Re: South Africa 1885 1/22/10

Postby rdsrds2120 on Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:50 am

I liked the background in V6 instead of just WHITE in V7. Too much white is a strain on the eyes, and the brownish color was reminding me of like an old map or something, since this IS supposed to be a map from 1855. Otherwise good job so far.
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Re: South Africa 1885 1/22/10

Postby Industrial Helix on Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:04 pm

13 Colonies is quenched, time to move this baby on!
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Re: South Africa 1885 On to the Gameplay workshop

Postby natty dread on Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:32 pm

I concur.
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Re: South Africa 1885 On to the Gameplay workshop

Postby Domovoi on Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:55 am

"Bloamfontein"?
Shouldn't that be "Bloemfontein"?

(Or maybe it was spelled like that in 1885?)
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Re: South Africa 1885 On to the Gameplay workshop

Postby Industrial Helix on Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:19 pm

Domovoi wrote:"Bloamfontein"?
Shouldn't that be "Bloemfontein"?

(Or maybe it was spelled like that in 1885?)


You could be on to something... and yes, I believe you are correct. I'll make the change!
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Re: South Africa 1885 On to the Gameplay workshop

Postby TaCktiX on Fri Apr 16, 2010 7:56 pm

Looked over this map, looks more than ready for the Gameplay Workshop.
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Re: South Africa 1885 On to the Gameplay workshop

Postby natty dread on Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:44 pm

Waah! Now I'm kinda pissed... I asked MrBenn if I could design the "design brief stamp" and he said they were not interested in introducing a stamp for design briefs... and now they've went and made it anyway... :(

On the other hand I'm glad to see this map moving forward. Good job IH.
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