Nordic Countries [Quenched]

[MrBenn]

It seems people like the gameplay as is, so I won't be making any further changes (unless something unexpected comes up). As soon as MrBenn can send the updated images (in the 1st post) to lack, we can get on with quenching this map

Sorry to be a pain; please could you repost the updated link to the end of the thread, with a brief summary of what has changed? As far as I'm concerned I wasn't aware you needed anything updated - although you mention it's a graphical tweak only??

Cheers

[natty dread]

From the 1st post:

Updated images - upload these please

large: http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2039 ... opev60.png
small: http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9930/n ... 0small.png



And yes it's a graphical update only. The sea glow (the glow in the sea that follows the coastline) opacity was lowered as per requests, also the country borders on the minimap were strengthened to allow easier recognition of superboni.

[natty dread]

Benn, have you sent the updates to lack yet?

[MrBenn]

Benn, have you sent the updates to lack yet?

Yes; I had a big catch up, and spammed lack with updates for pretty much every map going
I think he's updated about 1/3 to 1/2 of them now

[natty dread]

Cool.

Seems like a lot of work though, mapmakers posting updates to threads, you sending them to lack, and lack uploading them on the site... Perhaps the web developer could think of a feature that lets the foundry mods upload the map files themselves, so we wouldn't have to bother lack with every single update.

Even better, what if mapmakers could just send the files themselves, then the foundry mod or lack would just check & approve them and they'd go live...

[ender516]

So, if it's a graphics update only, there is no reason to wait to start a new game, am I right? The gameplay isn't going to change in the middle.

[natty dread]

So, if it's a graphics update only, there is no reason to wait to start a new game, am I right? The gameplay isn't going to change in the middle.

Right. No gameplay changes have been made.

[MrBenn]

Quenching

---The Beta period has concluded for the Nordic Countries Map. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand this map with the Foundry Brand. Let it be known that this map is now ready to be released into live play.

Congratulations natty_dread, your shiny new medal is well-earned


Conquer Club, enjoy!

--MrBenn

[natty dread]

Thank you everyone who helped me to achieve this goal.

Onward to new challenges...

[ender516]

Congratulations, natty! I suppose this means that development of Transsib will be stepped up.

[natty dread]

Congratulations, natty! I suppose this means that development of Transsib will be stepped up.

No, unfortunately. I already have 2 maps in the foundry... Trans-siberian will have to wait a bit longer...

[isaiah40]

Congra ts Natty!!

[natty dread]

Congra ts Natty!!

Thanks. Your help was also valuable in the making of this map.

[isaiah40]

Congra ts Natty!!

Thanks. Your help was also valuable in the making of this map.

Your welcome, anytime!!

[Bruceswar]

Sorry my first game on this map... Ugh the southern bonuses are hard as hell to tell what goes with what. I find myself not being able to tell what is what. I am sure I am not the only one.

[natty dread]

Sorry my first game on this map... Ugh the southern bonuses are hard as hell to tell what goes with what. I find myself not being able to tell what is what. I am sure I am not the only one.

Actually yes you are.

What are you hoping to accomplish anyway? This map was in beta for a loooong time, nobody complained. Beta period is over, if you don't like the map nobody forces you to play it.

[Bruceswar]

Sorry my first game on this map... Ugh the southern bonuses are hard as hell to tell what goes with what. I find myself not being able to tell what is what. I am sure I am not the only one.

Actually yes you are.

What are you hoping to accomplish anyway? This map was in beta for a loooong time, nobody complained. Beta period is over, if you don't like the map nobody forces you to play it.

You failed to miss my point. I will just move along since you missed it. Anyhow, nobody said I do not like the map..

[carlpgoodrich]

Sorry my first game on this map... Ugh the southern bonuses are hard as hell to tell what goes with what. I find myself not being able to tell what is what. I am sure I am not the only one.

Actually yes you are.

What are you hoping to accomplish anyway? This map was in beta for a loooong time, nobody complained. Beta period is over, if you don't like the map nobody forces you to play it.

You failed to miss my point. I will just move along since you missed it. Anyhow, nobody said I do not like the map..

I have to say, Natty, that I do agree with him to some extent. I really like the map and I know it has been quenched. But, I have found that I have a big advantage over people who haven't played the map because they get confused. For example: Foroyar and Svalbard are not strictly part of any bonus region, but Aland, Gotland, and Bornholm are. For those three, the army circles cover the whole island and make it very hard tell if its color is close enough to the rest of the region to be included.

Another area of major confusion (much bigger in my experience) is when dotted lines connect to a city. Since they have the appearance of going under the city icon, many people think that they connect with the underlying territory, not the city. I have had games where people load up on Vesturland, for example, only to have me easily take their one on Reykjavik and break their bonus.

I know the map has been quenched and these concerns should have been made earlier (frankly I am shocked they weren't), but they are such easy fixes I don't see a reason not to.

[Bruceswar]

Sorry my first game on this map... Ugh the southern bonuses are hard as hell to tell what goes with what. I find myself not being able to tell what is what. I am sure I am not the only one.

Actually yes you are.

What are you hoping to accomplish anyway? This map was in beta for a loooong time, nobody complained. Beta period is over, if you don't like the map nobody forces you to play it.

You failed to miss my point. I will just move along since you missed it. Anyhow, nobody said I do not like the map..

I have to say, Natty, that I do agree with him to some extent. I really like the map and I know it has been quenched. But, I have found that I have a big advantage over people who haven't played the map because they get confused. For example: Foroyar and Svalbard are not strictly part of any bonus region, but Aland, Gotland, and Bornholm are. For those three, the army circles cover the whole island and make it very hard tell if its color is close enough to the rest of the region to be included.

Another area of major confusion (much bigger in my experience) is when dotted lines connect to a city. Since they have the appearance of going under the city icon, many people think that they connect with the underlying territory, not the city. I have had games where people load up on Vesturland, for example, only to have me easily take their one on Reykjavik and break their bonus.

I know the map has been quenched and these concerns should have been made earlier (frankly I am shocked they weren't), but they are such easy fixes I don't see a reason not to.

Bingo! 100% spot on.

[natty dread]

The map is quenched, and I'm not going to bring it back to development because 2 people say so. Perhaps you guys should have spoken when the map was still in beta, or when it was in development - there was loads of time, but I didn't see either of you.

I've played tons of games on the map for beta testing, and the majority of people had no problems figuring out what is what on the map.

[ManBungalow]

I had the same problem as Bruce and carlpgoodrich when I first played this map.
It only takes one game or a few minutes inspecting BoB to work it out though, much easier than trying to decipher more complicated maps such as Stalingrad.

[natty dread]

Also:

Another area of major confusion (much bigger in my experience) is when dotted lines connect to a city. Since they have the appearance of going under the city icon, many people think that they connect with the underlying territory, not the city.

If people refuse to read the legend I can hardly help that, can I.

[Bruceswar]

I had the same problem as Bruce and carlpgoodrich when I first played this map.
It only takes one game or a few minutes inspecting BoB to work it out though, much easier than trying to decipher more complicated maps such as Stalingrad.

I do not use bob, along with many others. It took me ages to figure out which islands went with what.

[carlpgoodrich]

The map is quenched, and I'm not going to bring it back to development because 2 people say so. Perhaps you guys should have spoken when the map was still in beta, or when it was in development - there was loads of time, but I didn't see either of you.

I've played tons of games on the map for beta testing, and the majority of people had no problems figuring out what is what on the map.

I agree that the majority of people don't have a problem, but why not make it EVERYBODY? Its a really easy fix, maybe 20 min of work(?). My point is just that it is such a beautiful map and is so much fun to play, I hate the idea that some people are turning away from it after playing it once because the graphics are not clear. I think things like this are all that is keeping it from being one of the top 8-10 maps on CC.

[natty dread]

I asked many times, from many people, if they had trouble figuring out any features on the map, and no one had.

I understand your problem is with the baltic islands.

Thing is, unlike you seem to think, fixing this would not be a "simple easy fix" - I would have to redraw army circles, redraw sea routes and change the XML coordinates. So you will have to show me that there is a really large demand for a change like this.

Meanwhile, it wouldn't hurt to use some common sense: bornholm only connects to denmark so logically it also belongs to denmark. Gotland only connects to Gothland, and in the case of Åland you should be able to see the colour of the island matches south finland.