Conquer Club

Couldn't Norrland have a slightly larger bonus? it's in the middle of the map and has quite a few openings.

00iCon wrote:Couldn't Norrland have a slightly larger bonus? it's in the middle of the map and has quite a few openings.

It only has 3 borders to defend.

Well, something that I could consider would be increasing bonuses of south finland and swealand by 1 each. South finland is huge and thus hard to take, and swealand is hard to hold with 5 borders.

This would balance against the strong areas of north finland - north norway and gothland-denmark.

natty_dread wrote:Well, something that I could consider would be increasing bonuses of south finland and swealand by 1 each. South finland is huge and thus hard to take, and swealand is hard to hold with 5 borders.

This would balance against the strong areas of north finland - north norway and gothland-denmark.

Any support for this?

natty_dread wrote:

natty_dread wrote:Well, something that I could consider would be increasing bonuses of south finland and swealand by 1 each. South finland is huge and thus hard to take, and swealand is hard to hold with 5 borders.

This would balance against the strong areas of north finland - north norway and gothland-denmark.

Any support for this?

Leave the map as it is.

i have a question how come Aland is at the bottom of the list if it is alphebtical? i know its a differnt A but it should be with the other a's?

i like this map how it is... i like how u have bigger regions for smaller bonuses.. it makes getting and holding the bonuses that much harder... its pretty fun map.. still learning it as i have only played it twice (got killed in a dub game and currently winning a triple game).. i just thought i would give the map maker props

targetman377 wrote:i have a question how come Aland is at the bottom of the list if it is alphebtical? i know its a differnt A but it should be with the other a's?

This is something the mapmaker cannot affect, the game engine decides how the territory names are alphabetized. If you have a problem with it take it up with lackattack...

However the current system is correct: the letter Å is not the same as A, it is actually spelled as a long O (like "oo" in the word "door".) It is mainly used in swedish words, but since Finland is officially a bilingual country it is also included in the finnish alphabet. In both swedish and finnish alphabets, the letter Å comes after Z. Letters Ä and Ö come after it, they are also different letters than A and O, although they are spelled differently in swedish and finnish languages.

ManBungalow wrote:Leave the map as it is.

VampireM wrote:i like this map how it is...

I hear you guys... and thanks Vampire.

It seems people like the gameplay as is, so I won't be making any further changes (unless something unexpected comes up). As soon as MrBenn can send the updated images (in the 1st post) to lack, we can get on with quenching this map

natty_dread wrote:

lt. Futt wrote:Nordland and Södra Lappland should have common border. The Trøndelag - Iceland circle is too tempting for unbalanced players. North Norway bonus is too unavalible to break. Loosen up a bit. I suggest that you withdraw the mountain range a bit north.

If you have a problem with the scandinavian mountain chain I suggest you take it up with the swedish & norwegians. Perhaps you can convince them to demolish a part of those mountains.

It's not the mountain range. It's the map. The map is a representation of the real world. You asked for feed back on the map. Not feed back of the real world.

If there are mountains, there's also infanterist, cavalerists, weapons and Air Force to fight in such environments. Of course there are. Nordic countries have artic winter. Are our forces spesial trained for war in artic winter? There are noone better.

What about the lakes of Finland? Can't see them. What about Tårnedalen? In the real world, is it just one passage in Tårnedalen? Of course there ain't.

I appreciate the feedback but I'm not going to change the mountain range. I don't see a reason to do so, and most people seem to agree - so far you're the only one pushing for a change in gameplay. Most people I've spoken with want to keep the gameplay as it is now.

If you feel north norway is too hard to conquer (which I disagree with - I'm in a dubs game where I hold iceland, svalbard + north norway and contend for finnish lapland and the guy in south finland is breaking my bonuses constantly... it's easy to hit through north norway all the way to iceland) then perhaps you should try taking north norway for yourself in your next games. See how that goes.

No change without difference from the norm. You're the creator. You're superior. It's your priviledge.

I don't know if this is a mistake in the xml or a bug in CC or what, but in a game I'm playing I just noticed that Ostergotland was at the bottom of my drop-down menue for deploying, below places like Vastergotland, which are obviously alphabetically lower. Maybe it has something to do with the umlauts, not sure. Anyways, worth looking in to. Otherwise, cool map!

carlpgoodrich wrote:I don't know if this is a mistake in the xml or a bug in CC or what, but in a game I'm playing I just noticed that Ostergotland was at the bottom of my drop-down menue for deploying, below places like Vastergotland, which are obviously alphabetically lower. Maybe it has something to do with the umlauts, not sure. Anyways, worth looking in to. Otherwise, cool map!

I agree, it is a cool map. With respect to the menu sorting, note this from a few posts back:

natty_dread wrote:

targetman377 wrote:i have a question how come Aland is at the bottom of the list if it is alphebtical? i know its a differnt A but it should be with the other a's?

This is something the mapmaker cannot affect, the game engine decides how the territory names are alphabetized. If you have a problem with it take it up with lackattack...

However the current system is correct: the letter Å is not the same as A, it is actually spelled as a long O (like "oo" in the word "door".) It is mainly used in swedish words, but since Finland is officially a bilingual country it is also included in the finnish alphabet. In both swedish and finnish alphabets, the letter Å comes after Z. Letters Ä and Ö come after it, they are also different letters than A and O, although they are spelled differently in swedish and finnish languages.

ender516 wrote:

carlpgoodrich wrote:I don't know if this is a mistake in the xml or a bug in CC or what, but in a game I'm playing I just noticed that Ostergotland was at the bottom of my drop-down menue for deploying, below places like Vastergotland, which are obviously alphabetically lower. Maybe it has something to do with the umlauts, not sure. Anyways, worth looking in to. Otherwise, cool map!

I agree, it is a cool map. With respect to the menu sorting, note this from a few posts back:

natty_dread wrote:

targetman377 wrote:i have a question how come Aland is at the bottom of the list if it is alphebtical? i know its a differnt A but it should be with the other a's?

This is something the mapmaker cannot affect, the game engine decides how the territory names are alphabetized. If you have a problem with it take it up with lackattack...

However the current system is correct: the letter Å is not the same as A, it is actually spelled as a long O (like "oo" in the word "door".) It is mainly used in swedish words, but since Finland is officially a bilingual country it is also included in the finnish alphabet. In both swedish and finnish alphabets, the letter Å comes after Z. Letters Ä and Ö come after it, they are also different letters than A and O, although they are spelled differently in swedish and finnish languages.

Thanks, guess you learn something new every day

Map portal has now been fully updated.

natty_dread wrote:It seems people like the gameplay as is, so I won't be making any further changes (unless something unexpected comes up). As soon as MrBenn can send the updated images (in the 1st post) to lack, we can get on with quenching this map

Sorry to be a pain; please could you repost the updated link to the end of the thread, with a brief summary of what has changed? As far as I'm concerned I wasn't aware you needed anything updated - although you mention it's a graphical tweak only??

Cheers

From the 1st post:

Updated images - upload these please

large: http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2039 ... opev60.png
small: http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9930/n ... 0small.png



And yes it's a graphical update only. The sea glow (the glow in the sea that follows the coastline) opacity was lowered as per requests, also the country borders on the minimap were strengthened to allow easier recognition of superboni.

Benn, have you sent the updates to lack yet?

natty_dread wrote:Benn, have you sent the updates to lack yet?

Yes; I had a big catch up, and spammed lack with updates for pretty much every map going
I think he's updated about 1/3 to 1/2 of them now

Cool.

Seems like a lot of work though, mapmakers posting updates to threads, you sending them to lack, and lack uploading them on the site... Perhaps the web developer could think of a feature that lets the foundry mods upload the map files themselves, so we wouldn't have to bother lack with every single update.

Even better, what if mapmakers could just send the files themselves, then the foundry mod or lack would just check & approve them and they'd go live...

So, if it's a graphics update only, there is no reason to wait to start a new game, am I right? The gameplay isn't going to change in the middle.

ender516 wrote:So, if it's a graphics update only, there is no reason to wait to start a new game, am I right? The gameplay isn't going to change in the middle.

Right. No gameplay changes have been made.

Quenching

---The Beta period has concluded for the Nordic Countries Map. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand this map with the Foundry Brand. Let it be known that this map is now ready to be released into live play.

Congratulations natty_dread, your shiny new medal is well-earned


Conquer Club, enjoy!

--MrBenn

Thank you everyone who helped me to achieve this goal.

Onward to new challenges...

Congratulations, natty! I suppose this means that development of Transsib will be stepped up.