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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v1] p1

Postby ender516 on Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:13 pm

natty_dread wrote:Hm. I'll give it some thought.

Another possibility would be to name the Paris station Gare d'Est according to the name of the train station... Then it perhaps wouldn't seem so disturbing.. But Paris is more recognizable...

No, keep the name Paris. It would be odd to have one station not named for its city.
Think hard on moving those labels, because as it is, the word "Burgundy" is closer to the Paris circle than it is to its own, and the word "Paris" is only slightly closer to its circle than it is to the other, and is about as close to the Burgundy circle as the word "Burgundy" is to the Paris circle. Sorry if that is confusing, but that is the point.
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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v1] p1

Postby natty dread on Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:19 pm

ender516 wrote:
natty_dread wrote:Hm. I'll give it some thought.

Another possibility would be to name the Paris station Gare d'Est according to the name of the train station... Then it perhaps wouldn't seem so disturbing.. But Paris is more recognizable...

No, keep the name Paris. It would be odd to have one station not named for its city.
Think hard on moving those labels, because as it is, the word "Burgundy" is closer to the Paris circle than it is to its own, and the word "Paris" is only slightly closer to its circle than it is to the other, and is about as close to the Burgundy circle as the word "Burgundy" is to the Paris circle. Sorry if that is confusing, but that is the point.


Yeah I know what you mean. I'll have to figure out something with the territory names...
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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v2] p2

Postby natty dread on Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:17 pm

OK, for version 2 I changed Lower Saxony to Bremen and fixed the Burgundy/Paris issue.


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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v2] p1,2

Postby ender516 on Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:41 pm

Well, the positions of the Paris and Burgundy labels are much better, but I think you might still consider changing that Burgundy name.

As far as the title goes, I prefer the original.
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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v2] p1,2

Postby natty dread on Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:59 pm

I guess I might change it to Île-de-France. It seems the best option to me.



PS. I'll be working on this map for now, but when nordic & lunar go to workshop, I'll probably be putting this on hold (vacation) until I have a free spot for this map, so that this won't take all my attention away from my older maps.

Have no fear though, I do have every intention on seeing this map finished & quenched ;)
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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v2] p1,2

Postby natty dread on Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:00 am

OK. Since Nordic countries is in GP workshop now, and we're trying to get Lunar war through as well, I would now like this map to be put on temporary vacation. I won't be working on this map again until Nordic is in Final Forge, but I'm not abandoning this... I quite like this project if I say so myself.
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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v2] p1,2

Postby Industrial Helix on Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:33 am

natty_dread wrote:OK. Since Nordic countries is in GP workshop now, and we're trying to get Lunar war through as well, I would now like this map to be put on temporary vacation. I won't be working on this map again until Nordic is in Final Forge, but I'm not abandoning this... I quite like this project if I say so myself.


Yeah, I think this map is pretty cool as well, looking forward to its continued progress. It'll be cool when Nordic Countries is through the map gauntlet cause you'll be able to do some cool bicentennial anniversary for the Orient express in 2083.
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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v2] p1,2

Postby natty dread on Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:09 pm

It'll be cool when Nordic Countries is through the map gauntlet cause you'll be able to do some cool bicentennial anniversary for the Orient express in 2083.


Are you implying it will take 73 years to quench a map? :lol:
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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v2] p1,2

Postby ender516 on Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:31 pm

natty_dread wrote:
It'll be cool when Nordic Countries is through the map gauntlet cause you'll be able to do some cool bicentennial anniversary for the Orient express in 2083.


Are you implying it will take 73 years to quench a map? :lol:

Hey, it should not take that long. Be ready for the sesquicentennial in 2033. ;) (I have loved that word ever since the University of Toronto celebrated its 150th anniversary and we crazy Engineering students referred to it as the Sasquatch-centennial.)
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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v2] p1,2

Postby natty dread on Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:16 pm

ender516 wrote:
natty_dread wrote:
It'll be cool when Nordic Countries is through the map gauntlet cause you'll be able to do some cool bicentennial anniversary for the Orient express in 2083.


Are you implying it will take 73 years to quench a map? :lol:

Hey, it should not take that long. Be ready for the sesquicentennial in 2033. ;) (I have loved that word ever since the University of Toronto celebrated its 150th anniversary and we crazy Engineering students referred to it as the Sasquatch-centennial.)


Sesqui is a fun word, yes. Another number-related word I like is oligo. It basically means that there's more than one of something, but the exact amount is not known. Eg. oligomers are polymers with unknown or alternating amount of repeating molecules...

So I'm fully prepared to spend oligo years to finish this map... ;)
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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v2] p1,2

Postby slomo on Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:16 pm

You combined many territories, which makes it hard to find the right names.

I'd recommend changing Bremen into Hannover (there was a kingdom called Hannover, it was conquered by Prussia in the 19th century)
There is a Problem with Saxony, because it combines Prussian territories and territories that weren't Prussion (like Saxony!).

I would prefer Brandenburg instead of Mecklenburg, because Brandenburg is more important (and I think Mecklenburg was independent from Prussia, so Berlin cannot be a city in Meckl.)
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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v2] p1,2

Postby Industrial Helix on Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:00 pm

Looking at this again I think Benelux ought to be named the Low countries... the term Benelux is a post-WWII term.

You ever thought of giving this map an industrial revolution graphical feel? I don't think the sandy texture really conveys trains and steam power, ect.
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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v2] p1,2

Postby natty dread on Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:42 am

slomo wrote:You combined many territories, which makes it hard to find the right names.

I'd recommend changing Bremen into Hannover (there was a kingdom called Hannover, it was conquered by Prussia in the 19th century)
There is a Problem with Saxony, because it combines Prussian territories and territories that weren't Prussion (like Saxony!).

I would prefer Brandenburg instead of Mecklenburg, because Brandenburg is more important (and I think Mecklenburg was independent from Prussia, so Berlin cannot be a city in Meckl.)


That's good advice for the naming. AFAIK, Prussia was not an independent country at 1883, it was part of the German empire... Also territories had to be combined, due to the scale of the map. There's only so much you can fit into 840x800 pixels.

So I'm going to rename Bremen -> Hannover, Mecklenburg -> Brandenburg.

Industrial Helix wrote:Looking at this again I think Benelux ought to be named the Low countries... the term Benelux is a post-WWII term.

You ever thought of giving this map an industrial revolution graphical feel? I don't think the sandy texture really conveys trains and steam power, ect.


Benelux -> Low countries. Sounds good.

As for the visual style, my inspiration was a map drawn in 1883. Which was also the map I traced... Anyway, when I start working on the map again there will be plenty of time to think about graphical solutions. Currently the Foundry's 2 map limitation forces this map to sit in the melting pot until I can get Nordic countries finished.
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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v2] p1,2

Postby natty dread on Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:08 am

I have some ideas for gameplay. I'm going to partly follow suggestions from cairns & IH, which means:

- country bonuses will be scrapped. Instead a territory bonus in style of conquest maps will be implemented: +1 for every 3 territories of a country. Exception will be made with countries with less than 3 territories, which each give +1 when held.

- passengers will be added as resources. Each country will have 1-2 territories with passengers. The passenger bonus will be awarded when you hold a passenger territory and a train station of the same country. Also, each adjacent train station grows the bonus (the further you transport the passengers, the more you get). The territories that passengers will be on, haven't deicided that yet, but I'm thinking places with large cities...

- possible idea: tourist attractions. Transport passengers into these for extra bonus?

- orient express stations will be having an autodeploy, +1 each. Side stations will have no bonus, but can be used for the passenger bonus.

Well, what do you think? This should help to make the gameplay more unique, and make the railway more relevant to the map.

I'm also considering starting positions... in fact they may be necessary with the bonus system.

Anyway, the development of this map shall continue as soon as Nordic countries is in the final forge.
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Re: Orient Express 1883: Paris - Constantinople [v2] p1,2

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:10 pm

natty_dread wrote: orient express stations will be having an autodeploy, +1 each. Side stations will have no bonus, but can be used for the passenger bonus.


I'd say use the side stations to receive the passenger bonus. I think that would be appropriate for this map.
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