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Re: Macedonia map

Postby iancanton on Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:57 pm

kristijan_mk wrote:
iancanton wrote:this united nations map shows that macedonia's main road and railway goes directly from negotino to gevgelija, not through kavadarci. can u change gevgelija's border so it borders negotino? similarly, kicevo's only railway on the united nations map goes directly to gostivar. can u remove the mountains between kicevo and gostivar?

http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/ma ... edonia.pdf


you have old map of Macedonian municipalities :)
new one can be seen here - http://travel2macedonia.com.mk/travel-t ... government
but regardless of maps... the highway doesn't pass nor through Kavadarci nor through Negotino. Both towns are around 15 km apart, so geographically there no big reason for changing the borders. there is no big reason not to change it, to be honest :)

it certainly looks as if the railway passes through negotino, which is also very close to the route of the main highway.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... edonia.png
http://www.mkd.com.mk/regional/roadmap.htm

kristijan_mk wrote:On the other hand, I'm against removing the mountains between Gostivar and Kicevo. Basically if only one mountain exists on the map, this one would probably be the one :)

if the mountain there is so symbolic, then i agree that we ought to keep it!

kristijan, it's especially useful to have comments from macedonians like u, not only to correct mistakes, but also to help to develop the character of the map.

ian. :)
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Re: Macedonia map

Postby kristijan_mk on Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:19 pm

as for the road through Negotino, it's very close to the town, but it doesn't passes through it. But that is nitpicking from my side, so I'll leave to the author of the map to decide. As I said, i have nothing strong against connectiong Negotino with Gevgelija.

As for the mountain between Gostivar and Kicevo, just to be clear... there is a road there, but the road goes from 500m altitude in Gostivar to 1200 m, and back to 600 m in Kicevo. And all that in 30-40 km. And from what I've seen on the maps, if there some more difficulty to pass from one territory to other, then that is impassable on the map.
Macedonia is mountainous country, so if we follow the geography literally, there will be mountains everywhere and just one or two road between regions. I don't think that map will be much fun that way.
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Re: Macedonia map

Postby n.n. on Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:16 pm

Hi to all !

Sorry for not posting here for some time...

Here is the latest version (also posted in first page of the topic):
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Changes:
- Negotino is now bordering with Gevgelija
- Kosovo is removed from the bordering countries since it is not officialy an UN country (http://www.un.org/en/members/)

Thank you all for your comments, lets try to make this map happen !
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Re: Macedonia map

Postby Evil DIMwit on Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:06 am

Everything seems to check out for the next step. Enjoy your shiny new
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby n.n. on Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:49 pm

Happy as a child !

So, here we are in the Graphics workshop, according to guidelines i should prepare a small version of the map and also try the map with the numbers (troops) included - am i correct?
Is there anything else i should do?

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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby skeletonboy on Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:02 pm

The straight lines are quite hard on the eyes, can you maybe curve the corners or something?
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby n.n. on Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:32 pm

Well, the lines are that way intentionally, it is the way map is originally drawn as a vector.
I could make them different in the way you are suggesting but it would break the look i was trying to achieve - kind of broken glass vector shaped look.
In my opinion it is not needed nor it would be beneficiary to maps design/look/feel to change or make the lines curved.
I AM willing to make changes to the map to make it better looking and to make it work in conquer (to be a conquer club map) but this particular request is not something i think should be done and i do not agree that it is a good thing aesthetically in this case.
It could be done though if the opinion of the many outweighs the opinion on the few (myself included).

edit: just wanted to say this - the map is completely vector shaped (and then of course exported to jpg) except the bitmap relief background which is the actual relief in the mapped region
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby skeletonboy on Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:42 pm

I disagree with you but we would have to get more opinions. Maybe do a version with curves and put up a poll?
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby n.n. on Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:52 pm

Maybe...

Anyone else wanting a curved lines version?
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby natty dread on Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:17 pm

Maybe. Do a version with curved lines so we can compare!
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby kristijan_mk on Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:18 pm

yay! the map got its first stamp :)

I like the straight line look. It adds some uniqueness to it.
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby natty dread on Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:21 pm

Some kind of subtle texture on the land area could be worth a try too. If you do it right it can be done without disrupting the clean visual style of the map.
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby Pandemonium on Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:14 pm

I also vote Not to curve the lines - shattered glass effect looks perfect.
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby n.n. on Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:37 pm

natty_dread wrote:Maybe. Do a version with curved lines so we can compare!


Is that an order sir?
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby natty dread on Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:48 pm

n.n. wrote:
Is that an order sir?


Well, that depends. If it is, Will you follow it?
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby RedBaron0 on Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:06 pm

There's plenty to do! Welcome to Graphics-land :D

Why do some territories have larger, bolder text?
The outer white outline is awfully think, it could easily be thinner, and I'm not sure about the drop shadow, it really lifts the map off the surface of the rest of the image.
Never hurts to try something different, lets see come curved lines, you don't even have to do the whole thing just a bonus or 2 and we'll get the idea.
Mountains can be better, they're very angular and generic a little bit of difference will do wonders.
The river as it goes into Skopje probably doesn't have to be that long, it might cause confusion that there is another territory there.
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby kristijan_mk on Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:17 pm

RedBaron0 wrote:There's plenty to do! Welcome to Graphics-land :D
Why do some territories have larger, bolder text?


Those territories (towns) are major towns in those areas (in real life) and the regions are named by them.
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby n.n. on Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:27 pm

Thank you all for your remarks, i work on the map on weekends so i will try to make a couple of versions with all of your suggestions included (including those i am ordered to by Obersturmführer natty :) ) this weekend or maybe the next one at the latest.
This goes for all suggestions posted in the meantime.

Glad that the discussion is alive and kicking! :)
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby RedBaron0 on Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:10 pm

Keeping natty happy is a good idea... Fat lot of good it'll do you though! ;)
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby n.n. on Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:18 pm

Hi all,
here are some variations for the new version of the map (should be 1.6, when the variation is chosen), as requested in the discussion.

Changes on all versions:
- River shortened in the Skopje continent/territory
- Map background/shadow is thinner and lighter

1.6.1 Basic Variation:

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1.6.2 Relief Variation:

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1.6.3 Curved Borders Variation:
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Guys who requested the variations (and others of course), please comment so we can choose how to proceed with the map.
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby RedBaron0 on Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:16 pm

The one in the middle with the texture throughout, definitely looks best to me. Let's hear some other opinions though. :)

The outer white border is way to thick, I'd almost make that border be a slightly thicker version of the "line-dot" country borders you have separating the non-playable countries. You might not need the bevel that if that looks good.

The mountains fit with the graphical style, but they are still too uniform, Do a couple that are a bit different (a little bigger/smaller, double peaks, etc.) and have less mountains, right now you've got tons of mountains sitting right on top of each other.
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby natty dread on Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:26 pm

I don't like how the river just ends abruptly in Skopje. Make it narrower in that end...
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby kristijan_mk on Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:22 pm

I still like the first version. Second is fine, but the colors in first are stronger. (and stronger colors are better colors :) )
I kinda like the thick border. It makes the country to look like it's slightly up.
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby natty dread on Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:29 pm

Oh and I like the 2nd version best.
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Re: Macedonia map [Gp]

Postby MrBenn on Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:17 am

Version 1.6.2 with the texture all the way over definitely looks the best. As for straight vs curved borders, I think that judgement should be left to the mapmakers, as it's a stylistic thing.

The mountains are definitely the biggest concern for me; they're too small really - they could be a bit wider and a tiny bit taller? You don;t necessarily need to make them different sizes, but you do need to make them less linear. You also need to make the colour from the background go to the edge - check out the mountains on Wales to see what I mean:
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