Germany Map [Done]

[Hoff]

Hey I decided it would be fun to make my own map, so i'm making one of germany and areas surronding it. Its no where near done, but i'd thought i would make a post and try and get some feedback if there is anything you think i should change already.

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[AndyDufresne]

Well it's looking alright so far...but I'd have to see much more of a rougher draft than to to begin to comment on what should be changed or shouldn't.

--Andy

[thegrimsleeper]

Lose the rivers unless you're going to use them as uncrossable boundaries.

[Hoff]

yea I plan to use the borders as borders, and i'll throw some brigdes in probably at some places. But the rivers as they are layed out are for the most part how they actually exist, so i kinda like that.

[AndyDufresne]

Perhaps an interesting feature could be the 'Berlin Wall' (though I know it's down and everything). You could use say certain regions that still have the wall up as an impassable border...or something. Just an idea, but probably of no merit.

--Andy

[Hoff]

Well I've added alot, but its still not done. I still need to add mountains and bridges. But let me know what you think...

[Marvaddin]

It has some potential...

But first, this is not a Germany map, with all those surrounding areas. I cant even see Germany there... you should use only Germany, or change the map name. Brazil, USA, Canada... only the own country, not surrounding areas.

2nd, rivers are not necessary unless they are non-crossing borders. Unnecessary graphics make the map difficult to read. 3rd, what an ugly legend... and with unnecessary graphics too, because there are no mountains in the map. Use some free space at map side, not a full column (my opinion).

Keep the work, Im interested and this can be a good map.

[Hoff]

I made the german borders thicker then the regular borders to show where germany, but it needs work yea. I thought it would be more interesting to add surronding countries rather then simply germany. Maybe I should make it just germany, or maybe i should simply change the map name to somethign like central europe. And Yes, the rivers are none crossable, i just havnt put in bridges and the mountains yet. But i will get to it soon.

[Marvaddin]

So, there are Germany parts in continents named "France / Switzerland", and "Netherlands / Belgium"? I disliked it.

And, these rivers are a joke. There are unnecessary rivers inside countries like Der Rhein. But its far from the worst... are they really non-crossable? So, to get Die Elbe and Dresden to hold West Germany, you need take 6 countries? Terrible!!

Legend: border is not necessary. Your mountains and bridges are very ugly, maybe you can find better graphics in internet / a game, or even get some help from thegrimsleeper or nobunaga... Dont use these graphics, please.

[Hoff]

Alright here is my final rough draft...

I'd like to here what other people think besides Marvaddin even tho I thank him for his contribution.

I personally like having the surronding Nations included, its more of a map of the German Area then Germany itself i guess, but i think its fine. Do you people think I should re organize the borders so that parts of germany arnt included in the French/Swiss territory? Any Suggestions?

I also personally like the rivers because that is similar to how they are in real life. This will be non-crossable borders, but I have included bridges. Should there be more bridges? If so, where? Should I get rid of the rivers that don't serve as a border?

How are my River/Bridge/ Mountain graphics? If you don't like them what should I do to fix them?

Are the values for the Territories good? I wasnt sure which ones to make 3 or 4 or 6 or whatever, so some input there would be good also.

Do you like the legend? If no, why? What should I do to fix the problem?

Any other suggestions would be appreciated, thanks....

[Mr. K]

I like it. I'd definitely play it.

I think its absolutely a good idea to have the surrounding territories in the map. Just because Germany's borders look one way today doesn't mean that a German map should only include those territories. Especially considering Germany's history as a nation has gone through uncountable border changes... And that before Germany was a nation (and it hasnt' really been a nation for all that long, folks) the whole area was just a collection of territories under various rules. So I like the territories the way they are.

I'll admit, the rivers can be a little bit confusing. Maybe a brighter shade blue color so that you can clearly tell whats river and whats border?

The mountains look good, and the bridges are fine. They get the point across.

[supermarcol]

Woah! getting west germany would be incredibly annoying if at all possible. I think you could go either way including other territories or not, just change the name of the map accordingly. As for rivers, take them out if they're not useful, they'll just be confusing, you don't need to be 100% accurate. I didn't check the map in details, but yeah you'll need to do drastic changes to the borders, west germany is ridiculous. Graphic wise you'll need to improve a bit, but like you said, its just a rough draft.

[rocksolid]

I know the fact of having rivers as geographically accurate is appealing, but you could remember that you don't have all the rivers there to begin with - little rivers that aren't famous are already missing - so don't feel constrained if you want to remove some of the less significant rivers, because you won't be being any less accurate than you are now. I would recommend making them a much lighter shade of blue, so that they're easily differentiable from the regular borders.

That and you might want a little dude playing an alpenhorn chilling somewhere on your graphic of the mountains...

All around, well done. Everything's legible, which is hard.

[Jota]

I'm in favor of having bits of the surrounding territory as part of a Germany map, but the national borders have to coincide with the "continent" ones. Compare the Europe map: Spain isn't a part of Africa, and Morocco isn't a part of The West.

[Hoff]

Ok i'll work on the Rivers, and i'll try to rearrange the boundaries to make some more sense.

How bout the mountains and bridges graphics. Should I make them better somehow? What about the key on the right? Good? Bad?