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Postby thegrimsleeper on Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:40 am

Did you ever do a version of the map with just Germany? It's not so much that it's a terrible idea to have the surrounding areas included, but as marv said it is a map of Germany, first and foremost. Maybe it'd actually be easier in the long run to do just the one country. I dunno. I'd give it a shot and see how it comes out, then put it to a vote in here.

Mr. K makes a pretty interesting point about all that... Perhaps make your map of medieval Germania... Hmm... Yes..... lol

Your river system is ridiculous for one reason: In-continent attack/fortification. If you're trying to take North Germany, you've gotta go from Brandenburg through Dresden, and into South Poland. Or assume you've got to make a run through West Germany (good luck)... You have to go through the Alps to take Die Elbe, and you'd have to go through TWO countries in Belgium to take Bremen, at which point you'd better be playing unlimited fortification or have a lot of troops left over, because there's no way to fortify there.

Speaking of rivers, how badly is it gonna suck when you attack Rothenburg from Tubingen and you've only taken half the country because of the fact your guys can't cross that damn river?!?! ;)
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Postby johnnyrotten on Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:52 am

Grim you included the Near East and North Africa in your Europe map...
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Postby thegrimsleeper on Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:27 pm

Yeah, I didn't want to make this thread about my map, so I didn't bother to mention that I did a version of just Europe, and a version with the aforementioned continents, then put it to a vote. Just like I suggested.
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Postby Hoff on Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:44 pm

I think i'll make two version of my map like you suggested. I'll fix the current version that I have now so that the attack routes are better and the rivers that i decide to keep are easier to see and dotn get in the way. Then i'll make a map of just germany and put it up to a vote. Thanks for the input.
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Postby areon on Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:02 pm

I actually like the remoteness created by the rivers. Something that you would want to specify is whether rivers that seperate territories like North Poland and Schwerin in small areas allow you to attack through. It wouldn't be completely accurate but maybe North Germany could be renamed Prussia and West Germany to Brandenburg or Saxony(whichever had larger control of the area), plus renaming Netherlands/Belgium to Low Countries to simplify them. A last change would be to put more mountains in the south. Well that's my 2 cents.
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Postby Pedronicus on Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:26 pm

Are we supposed to bomb Germany in Lancasters & B17's

if so, i like it
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Postby Hoff on Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:55 pm

Ok so i fixed the rivers and borders issue i think. Let me know what you think and if there are any other suggestions.

Do you guys like the way the map is or do you still want me to make a map just of Germany and put it up to a vote to see which is better?

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Postby coolestguy98 on Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:09 pm

I like how difficult this map would be to play, i think that it could make it quite fun to do, with so many physical challenges present. While others may not be fans of the rivers, i am not against them, i like that added quality, visually i think they currently look very nice. I like the mountain graphics also, i think that they look really chill.

However, i'm not all game for the bridges, i think there are other graphics out there that could make it much more pleasing to the eye. This one currently looks, well, like some machine took a poop in the middle of the rivers.

Personally i'm with mr. K on the issue of the country and what is included. Lets be serious, Germany has not been aorund all that long, and even after it became a country, its been trying to spread itself out to these other countries anyways, so we may as well include them. For all we know give it another 30 years and Germany could well look like this. *shrug*

Overall, i really like it, and while many may complain about the difficulty of the map to take over, and how it could be a pain, i look at it as more of a challenge to complete, and will then feel more inclined to be very hapy with my work when it is over. I mean, difficult can be fun also, and i see no reason for folks to get too frustrated, it will just take longer, and personally, i'm down with that.
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Postby Hoff on Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:16 pm

Also, what of the colors of the countries? I think that the colors are fine but Mr. K thinks that they are too similarly brown. Should i change the colors? Or are they colors different enough as is?
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Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:17 pm

Hm, first of all:

---It doesn't really feel like a map of Germany. More of a general area, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think in time the way the map is still could be rather playable...but perhaps under a different name than "Germany".

---Your bridges stink, there has to be better artwork out there, even if you have to create it...do it. It looks like you were playing Sim City in between making this map and somehow the roads got transposed.

---Your mountains aren't so bad, I can live with them. If you keep them I think a more traditional looking old wooden style of bridge would accentuate the mountains, if they were done in a similar artistic style.

---Now I'm having trouble with the rivers. In the middle of Prussia, is that an impassable border seperating the Polands and Berlin/Brandenburg? I don't mind the rivers, but it seems like some are getting in the way.

---I think the fonts would benefit from being a hint larger, you've got the room it looks like. But I like the chosen font.

---Colors are looking alright. Though Prussia and Hessen are somewhat similar and perhaps more can be done to seperate them out into easily identifiable entities.

---The legend on the side looks nice, well formed and everything. Obviously the font should be bolder so the colors stand out more against the darker red. Perhaps a lighter shade should be used in the legend to help alleviate the harsh reading.

---I won't comment on any of the individual continents and borders etc, until you know what map you are going to stick with and what your final focus ends up being.

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Postby Hoff on Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:26 am

So by request I created a map just of germany, and i'm glad I did. I think this new map turned out better then the other one. But give me some suggestions and i'll improve both maps some more and put it up to a vote in a poll to see which map is more liked. let me know what you think and ifyou have any suggestions....

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Postby Axelius on Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:27 am

Must say I like the later better than the last one, even though i'm curious about West Germany. If I read the map right, Hemeln is not in touch with any of the other WG countries, although that could prove to be an intresting challenge. But in that case 6 armies is almost too little for it...
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Postby Hoff on Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:52 am

would 7 be a better amount for west germany?
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Postby Mr. K on Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:29 am

What if it was a one way border, where you could cross from Hannover to Hemeln, but not the other way back?

Just a thought.
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Postby Hoff on Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:14 am

I kind of like how the territory is split up like that, maybe it should be worth more like 7 or 8 tho.
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Postby Hoff on Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:09 am

Ok...
So i'm hoping this is near completion. With the exception of some final suggestions by you guys, here is what the germany map looks like now.

I decided to make the map just of germany. I have added some more natural boundaries and have also added more countries. 38 in total now i believe. I think added some art, and there ya go. I think its done, but i wanna hear from you guys before i start working on the code.

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Postby coolestguy98 on Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:42 am

I love it, keep up the good work...
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Postby Jota on Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:05 am

A couple random thoughts:

Hessen has more countries and more border countries than Rheinland, but they both have the same bonus. Perhaps Hessen should be worth 4 armies.

Cutting off Hemeln from the rest of West Germany seems like a bad idea that could just make people not bother even trying to take that continent. Anyone who can collect on the bonus probably already owns Hessen and most of East Germany, and thus probably doesn't need the extra armies as much anyway.

(Also, it's looking good. I particularly like the background.)
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Postby Marvaddin on Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:32 am

Well, with some effort we can still have 42 armies, I believe. Some territories like Bremen, Koln and Schwerin are ready to be splitted.

Yeah, its getting a good shape, but isnt done yet.

Pleeeease correct that river route. A continent where the countries are not connected is a dead one. Im talking about Hemeln, of course. You can change the river, or add the country for the othe continent.

There are some problems too. I wont even discuss the bonuses, we can do it after you modify the map. Im now worried because East Germany is very difficult to hold, while West Germany and Hessen are too easy (Im assuming you will change Hemeln to Hessen). I suggest:

1) Put a river between Sachsen / Magdeburg and Prussia. After, delete the river between Luneburg / Wolfsburg and Schwerin.

2) Delete the river between Halberstadt, Hannover and Osnabruck and Hemeln.

Even after these, all continents will have 3 border countries at maximum. To make some continents more difficult to hold, maybe split some border countries will be the best thing. it can be easily done in Bavaria, for example.
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Postby Hoff on Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:09 am

I thougth having Hemeln seperated might make game play interesting, but if you guys really dont like it that much i'll change that. And i'll also take your advice marv and change the rivers around some.
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Postby lilwdlnddude on Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:19 am

i sorta came into this thred a little late :oops: but i was wondering if the rivers are crossible or not.
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Postby Hoff on Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:25 am

no they are not crossable. Its the only way i could split up the countries other then actually splitting them up like the USA map. And i didnt want to do that.
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Postby Hoff on Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:56 am

ok there are now 42 countries as requested. I also changed up the rivers some. I think the game play will be good now. Here it is...

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Postby Jota on Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:24 pm

I like it. If it were me, I'd probably reduce West Germany's bonus to five (since it only has nine countries and four borders) and raise Prussia to three (since it has six countries), but that's just a personal opinion. I wouldn't have any complaints if you submitted it as it is.
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Postby Fieryo on Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:30 pm

this turned out really well. im glad you went with the just Germany version, i look forward to trying it out.
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