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Postby Mr. K on Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:51 am

Pristella wrote:There is at least three names I'd like to see on the map: Athens, Sparta and Thebe. :) There already was some talk about Athens, but those other two are also names that mean a lot in ancient Greek history, especially Sparta. I could dig into a couple of history books and give some further input later this weekend, if you would like. :) Also, do you have any spesific era in mind?


I got three names for you: Attica, Lakonia and Boeotia.
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Postby Hoff on Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:58 am

I agree with pristella, people would like the map more if you put the more recognizeable names on it like sparta and athens and thebes

maybe you could make them territory names, instead of like central greece or western greece or whatever. but i dont really know where they were located.
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Postby hairingtons on Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:43 am

looks good, really like the idea of ancient greece map. what about adding the lost city of Atlantis in some way ?
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Postby Ayame on Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:25 am

I like a lot this map, Mr. k.

The only thing that I dont like very much is the white area around the names of the countrys. I think is nicer hide a little more the names, like in the world´s classic map.

One question for Hairingtons: This prhase of the war and the honor... Who is the author
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Postby hairingtons on Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:56 am

ayame:

the man in the photo>the great Winston Churchill, do a google search he has some of the greatest quotes you'll ever read. i could change it everyday!
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Postby Mr. K on Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:16 pm

I agree with pristella, people would like the map more if you put the more recognizeable names on it like sparta and athens and thebes

maybe you could make them territory names, instead of like central greece or western greece or whatever. but i dont really know where they were located.

Point is it wouldn't make any sense. All the territories are named after the geographic locations.

I'm considering naming the one continent Athens, though.

But Athen's territory is known as Attica, and Sparta is in akonia. Its not that uncommonly known. I can't rename Sparta's continent though, cause its Peloponesos... And well, thats what it is. Thats the most clear-cut continent name in the entire map. Naming it something else would just be incorrect.
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Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:24 pm

Do whatever you must to get rid of the 'directional area' continents! :)

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Postby Mr. K on Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:42 pm

Will do. Haven't been working on it lately though cause i'm away for the weekend, just stopping by to see what you guys are up to every once in a while. I'll get around to finishing up the map during the week.
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Postby Mr. K on Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:19 pm

Haha, I thought I wasn't gonna get around to doing this map until next week because I knew I have so much to do during this week... I guess I don't know the powers of my own procrastination well enough. So here is it:

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Unless anyone has some major complaints, its pretty much done.
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Postby Hoff on Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:24 pm

looks good to me, but i think the legend is a bit difficult to read. Maybe a more grayish color would help the words stand out a bit more.
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Postby Hoff on Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:34 pm

so here are my 3 suggestions.

1. make the legend easier to read
2. Add a mini parthanon instead of just two pillars, cuz it kinda looks awkward. At first glance it just looks random things sticking up. So iether make it into a building and have "ancient greece" on top of it. Or make the two pillars more recognizeable as pillars and not random things sticking out of the legend.
3. maybe change the shading of either pelophonesos or the agean to make it easier to tell the difference
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Postby rocksolid on Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:13 pm

Hey K, the drop shadow on the Kyklades makes them look a little like flying amoebas. Maybe tone it down a bit?
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Postby PaperPlunger on Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:20 pm

wonderful map, easily read, nice appeal.. I love it!
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Postby zorba_ca on Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:53 pm

Great job!!! It's one of (if not THE) most appealing maps!

I agree about the shadows and the pillars.

Other than that it's good to go.
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hmmm....

Postby Scarus on Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:36 pm

You gotta respect somebody that has done this much work and produced such a great product, but I, too, feel you might be a little too bound up in authenticity. The more recognizable names of Sparta, Troy, Thebes, etc. would make this a much more popular map. It's pretty hard to develop an interest in playing some of the maps here if you don't have a good grasp on the local geography. The proper greek naming of the territories in your map just causes me to lose a lot of interest in it.

Makes me also lament that a fantasy map which includes Sparta and Troy becomes very unlikely once your authentic map is adopted.

I guess what I want is a Trojan War map. I don't expect you to change everything for me, but I bet if you were to do a poll that you would find there is probably more interest in that than in your more authentic map.

Just so I don't end this post on a negative note, I am very impressed by your work.
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Postby Hyperventilate on Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:46 pm

this map rules already
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Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:57 pm

It looks pretty fantastic. I'd also agree with Hoff in that some sort of architectural building would enhance the legend. I'd make the names maybe a little bloder, and the numbers perhaps bigger. Also a little gripe, the numbers aren't lined up vertically in a column, but that isn't anything major. Just looking to improve the over all visual appeal of a well put together map.

Only a minor suggestion: an argument could be made to knock Peloponesos down to bonus of 4, due to 3 borders, similar to Boreia Ellada. Though you could also argue the other way, since the Peloponesos does have 2 more countries than the Red Continent, and two more attack routes. But I am not sure those constitute a higher bonus.


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Postby Jota on Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:15 pm

I agree that it looks great. But, even as a natural pedant, I also can't disagree with Scarus' point about Sparta and Troy.
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Postby Mr. K on Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32 pm

I fixed up all the stuff Hoff suggested, but I accidentally forgot to save the changes. So i'll redo it tomorrow and show you guys tomorrow. I suppose it couldn't hurt to change Lakonia to Sparta, though Lakonia itself is pretty well known because its always mentioned whenever Sparta is (because its the homeland of the empire). But Sparta is obviously better known and apparently favored.

I dont really know much about Troy, I figure you guys would want what is currently named Mysia to be Troy?
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U B da Man!!

Postby Scarus on Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:38 pm

That would be too cool!!!
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Postby zorba_ca on Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:06 pm

What about adding a connection between Skyros and Xios to made the map more cross-playable and less circular?

Naval warfare was a major component of combat at that time (perhaps an image of Jason and his Argonauts is appropriate?)
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Postby Black Jack on Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:25 pm

Looking forward to seeing this map added.

IMO, Ancient World maps are well suited for Risk variants.
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Postby Mr. K on Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:36 pm

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Changes:
1. Added a roof for my pillars
2. Made the Key more readable
3. Took away an attack route from Kyklades to Samos and added one from Tinos to Xios (to make the map less circular)
4. Changed Lakonia to Sparta and Mysia to Troy
5. Dimmed the glow around the wording
6. Lessened the drop shadow on the entire map

I think thats it if i remember right. Only question now is should I make the attack route go from Xios to Tinos or from Xios to Euboea? I dont want it to go to Skyros because I don't want any more attack routes on Athens.

Edit: also, i'm aware "Ancient Greece" is off center, I'll fix it next time around don't worry. Also I think i'm gonna change the link to be from Xios to Euboea rather than Tinos.
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Can't wait!

Postby Scarus on Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:53 pm

You are toooo accomodating. This is sooo awesome. I can't wait.
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Postby zorba_ca on Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:05 pm

Only question now is should I make the attack route go from Xios to Tinos or from Xios to Euboria? I dont want it to go to Skyros because I don't want any more attack routes on Athens.


Aren't Tinos, Euboria and Skyros all a part of Athens?

I would choose Euboria or Skyros since Tinos is all the way as the end of the island chain.

Thanks for doing it!

BTW is it "Euboria" as you wrote above, or "Euboea" as is written on the map?
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