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Jippd wrote:
I also find it weird that a map that made it past final forge was changed with just one person requesting the change.
patrickaa317 wrote:Jippd wrote:
I also find it weird that a map that made it past final forge was changed with just one person requesting the change.
+1
natty_dread wrote:patrickaa317 wrote:Jippd wrote:
I also find it weird that a map that made it past final forge was changed with just one person requesting the change.
+1
There's nothing weird about it, it's within the mapmakers' discretion to decide for changes after quenching, whether it's 1 person or 100 who's posting about it.
Also, just because only 1 person posted in the thread doesn't mean the mapmakers haven't received other feedback about it.
Jippd wrote:For the sake of debating to debate.
Weird by definition is something unusual.
Jippd wrote:Maps do not get changed every day after they make it past final forge since I have been on the site, in fact I would say it is a rare or UNUSUAL event.
Jippd wrote:So, I guess the issue of whether it is weird or not depends on your definition of weird.
weird
[weerd] adjective, -er, -est, noun
adjective
1.
involving or suggesting the supernatural; unearthly or uncanny: a weird sound; weird lights.
2.
fantastic; bizarre: a weird getup.
3.
Archaic. concerned with or controlling fate or destiny.
Synonyms
1. unnatural, preternatural. weird, eerie, unearthly, uncanny refer to that which is mysterious and apparently outside natural law. Weird refers to that which is suggestive of the fateful intervention of supernatural influences in human affairs: the weird adventures of a group lost in the jungle. Eerie refers to that which, by suggesting the ghostly, makes one's flesh creep: an eerie moaning from a deserted house. Unearthly refers to that which seems by its nature to belong to another world: an unearthly light that preceded the storm. Uncanny refers to that which is mysterious because of its apparent defiance of the laws established by experience: an uncanny ability to recall numbers.
Antonyms
1. natural.
Jippd wrote:Look at your definition of weird...point two...defined as bizarre...now look up the definition for bizarre.
Thank you
So unless your saying that the reference YOU posted which states weird as being defined as bizarre is wrong.. I guess my OP was correct
Synonyms
Bizarre, fantastic, grotesque, weird share a sense of deviation from what is normal or expected. Bizarre means markedly unusual or extraordinarily strange, sometimes whimsically so: bizarre costumes for Mardi Gras; bizarre behavior. [...] Weird refers to that which is mysterious and apparently outside natural law, hence supernatural or uncanny: the weird adventures of a group lost in the jungle; a weird and ghostly apparition. Informally, weird means “very strange”: weird and wacky costumes; weird sense of humor.
patrickaa317 wrote:Has a map ever been pulled back into BETA status? I think with the recent changes and talks of new changes, perhaps it should be done with this one...
Blitzaholic wrote:we may need to have 4 starting positions for 1 vs 1 games and dubs games, this may make it a little better for the player who does not go first? what you think on this kab? would this serve to be more helpful?
2 other things for ideas kab, see what you think here m8, see what others think as well.
1. deep lands 4 through 12 could all be 3 neutrals not 2?
Seems ok
2. Tofu 13, IA 12, ID 14, AoD 13, The Legion 14, LoW 09, Thota 13, Empire 14, BSS 13, TsM 13 = all could have a symbol on them representing clan leader land?
These territories are usually meaningless in most games, however, if it was a clan leader land with a cool symbol and a reward of an auto bonus of +1 for holding the land, and a auto bonus of +1 every round you hold it automatically, it may attract some to go for it, creating for more valuable areas to enrich the map. Or if there is not enough room in the key, you could make those territories of neutral 1's?
Well, I see a problem here, that would be adding more confusion to the rules which are clear and conceptually precise. (apart from the problem of not having more room/space on the legend board for extra information)
Why not making those distant region starting with 1 neutral troop instead of 2? they will always be useful for region count purposes
These changes could help aid in improving the map slightly? What do others think? What do you think Kab?
Dukasaur wrote:patrickaa317 wrote:Has a map ever been pulled back into BETA status? I think with the recent changes and talks of new changes, perhaps it should be done with this one...
There was nothing wrong with the map. It was, IMHO, one of the best maps on the site. Then, a single person complained about it (and not even eloquently or in great detail) and for some inexplicable reason based on that ONE incoherent complaint, the map was changed? And now you think it needs a full-scale revamp because of one single unecessary change that can easily be reversed?
Kabanellas wrote:Blitzaholic wrote:we may need to have 4 starting positions for 1 vs 1 games and dubs games, this may make it a little better for the player who does not go first? what you think on this kab? would this serve to be more helpful?
2 other things for ideas kab, see what you think here m8, see what others think as well.
1. deep lands 4 through 12 could all be 3 neutrals not 2?
Seems ok
2. Tofu 13, IA 12, ID 14, AoD 13, The Legion 14, LoW 09, Thota 13, Empire 14, BSS 13, TsM 13 = all could have a symbol on them representing clan leader land?
These territories are usually meaningless in most games, however, if it was a clan leader land with a cool symbol and a reward of an auto bonus of +1 for holding the land, and a auto bonus of +1 every round you hold it automatically, it may attract some to go for it, creating for more valuable areas to enrich the map. Or if there is not enough room in the key, you could make those territories of neutral 1's?
Well, I see a problem here, that would be adding more confusion to the rules which are clear and conceptually precise. (apart from the problem of not having more room/space on the legend board for extra information)
Why not making those distant region starting with 1 neutral troop instead of 2? they will always be useful for region count purposes
These changes could help aid in improving the map slightly? What do others think? What do you think Kab?
natty_dread wrote:Jippd wrote:Look at your definition of weird...point two...defined as bizarre...now look up the definition for bizarre.
Thank you
So unless your saying that the reference YOU posted which states weird as being defined as bizarre is wrong.. I guess my OP was correct
Look further down the definition of bizarre. The differences between bizarre and weird are outlined there:Synonyms
Bizarre, fantastic, grotesque, weird share a sense of deviation from what is normal or expected. Bizarre means markedly unusual or extraordinarily strange, sometimes whimsically so: bizarre costumes for Mardi Gras; bizarre behavior. [...] Weird refers to that which is mysterious and apparently outside natural law, hence supernatural or uncanny: the weird adventures of a group lost in the jungle; a weird and ghostly apparition. Informally, weird means “very strange”: weird and wacky costumes; weird sense of humor.
Dukasaur wrote:patrickaa317 wrote:Has a map ever been pulled back into BETA status? I think with the recent changes and talks of new changes, perhaps it should be done with this one...
There was nothing wrong with the map. It was, IMHO, one of the best maps on the site. Then, a single person complained about it (and not even eloquently or in great detail) and for some inexplicable reason based on that ONE incoherent complaint, the map was changed? And now you think it needs a full-scale revamp because of one single unecessary change that can easily be reversed?
Dukasaur wrote:Then, a single person complained about it (and not even eloquently or in great detail) and for some inexplicable reason based on that ONE incoherent complaint, the map was changed?
natty_dread wrote:Dukasaur wrote:Then, a single person complained about it (and not even eloquently or in great detail) and for some inexplicable reason based on that ONE incoherent complaint, the map was changed?
Sucks but what can you do? None of you people are showing up in the foundry to give any feedback anymore, so we, the mapmakers, have to go by what we get.
If you would give feedback regularly, instead of only showing up when you want to complain about something, then maybe we wouldn't have to be guessing what people want, based on a single person's feedback.
patrickaa317 wrote:If noone says anything, you should assume they like it the way it is.
natty_dread wrote:patrickaa317 wrote:If noone says anything, you should assume they like it the way it is.
You're totally missing the point here.
Someone did say something, and no one else said anything to the contrary. These changes don't happen instantly here, any one of you could have came here when the change was suggested and posted your opinion. Since no one did, how should the mapmakers know that there are people that won't like the change? We're not mind readers.
All we're asking is a little co-operation, and that people stop taking the Foundry for granted, as some kind of mapmaking machine that just spews out maps automatically... we're just people here, and we try to offer to the CC population what it wants. If no one's here to tell us what that is, we have little options but to make educated guesses. Sometimes they go wrong, and that's unfortunate, but it could be avoided if more people would show up to discuss the changes in the first place...
natty_dread wrote:patrickaa317 wrote:If noone says anything, you should assume they like it the way it is.
You're totally missing the point here.
Someone did say something, and no one else said anything to the contrary. These changes don't happen instantly here, any one of you could have came here when the change was suggested and posted your opinion. Since no one did, how should the mapmakers know that there are people that won't like the change? We're not mind readers.
All we're asking is a little co-operation, and that people stop taking the Foundry for granted, as some kind of mapmaking machine that just spews out maps automatically... we're just people here, and we try to offer to the CC population what it wants. If no one's here to tell us what that is, we have little options but to make educated guesses. Sometimes they go wrong, and that's unfortunate, but it could be avoided if more people would show up to discuss the changes in the first place...
HighlanderAttack wrote:Really so where was this big discussion about changing a finalized map?
HighlanderAttack wrote:So really how many great minds decided to give you an opinion on changing this map--which totally sucks for 1v1 play now? Was it one, two or three? A large amount of the CC population in a dictators world.
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