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Postby Guiscard on Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:10 am

PLEASE VOTE FOR THE MOST FITTING DESERT IN THE POLL: [url=http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=358858#358858]link for the examples
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Hey guys. In my Charlemagne thread, a map of the Empire was suggested so I decided to have a crack at that. Its devided up as far as I could into relavant continents - the khanates. They can all be dated to the late 1200s which is as accurate as I could be. Not all the names are done yet, as I want to get into uni and find an accurate historical atlas for the last few.

Also, I was considering impassable borders - The border between Idiquit and the red continent definitely and I don't know where else. Havn't found a good enough way of representing mountains yet. Will try and do it for the next update. What do you think so far?

Provisional bonus:

Golden Horde - 5
Tibet - 3
Cathay Khanate - 7
Ilkhanate - 4
Yuan Khanate - 2
Chaghadi Khanate - 3


edit: have realised there is another mongol map in (early) development
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Postby Lone.prophet on Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:31 am

very nice
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Postby Ruben Cassar on Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:35 am

Hey I like the way this map looks. I am sure you can build on it.

Regarding impassable borders...maybe you could also use the desert? Isn't the Gobi Desert somewhere in Mongolia for example?
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Postby Lone.prophet on Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:11 am

Ruben Cassar wrote:Isn't the Gobi Desert somewhere in Mongolia for example?


part of the blue and green is the gobi desert
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Postby glee on Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:50 am

i like the idea of a map over the mongol empire, it was the greatest land empire in world history

for names of the territories you could use ancient names for the towns in the area such as karakorum, khanbalik, k'ai-feng, zaitun and canton

i have also found names for the areas on a map over the empire, but i'm not sure if they are names for the people in the area or names of the area it self. i'll give you the names and you could look into it a bit more
for the yuan khanate i have four names: honan in the north, fukien at the coast, yunnan in the southwest and kwang tung for the centre (might not need that one)
for the cathay khanate i have two names for the area along the coast south of the korean peninsula: shansi bordering the yuan khanate (it could even be in the yuan khanate in your map) and tenduk just north of that

the map looks good keep up the good work
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Postby Lone.prophet on Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:07 pm

the blue grey and green together is the empire of the great kahn,

The grey was called the Yuan dinasty after the empire split up in 1294 when ghengis ghans grand son died
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Postby Guiscard on Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:08 pm

Glee, thanks for the names I'll have a look at putting them on.

Lone Prophet, I realise that that the eastern side is the empire of the great khan. I decided to split it up into three smaller continents simply for playability, and I found the most relavant names I could. Do you think i should split it differently or use different names for the continents??? Any ideas?
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Postby Lone.prophet on Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:18 pm

nono its good this way, lets first work on the names before thinking about the bonusses
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Postby Wisse on Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:24 pm

mayby you could also add a sea rute from crimea to lu-mi rum?
and from the countr left of korea to the one south of it ;)
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Postby Lone.prophet on Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:46 pm

maybe not cause the mongols there had no boats :)
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Postby Guiscard on Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:52 pm

I was thinking of sea routes... perhaps one from crimea as well.

As far as i know, Loneprophet, the Mongols definitely had some naval capacity. Otherwise they'd have had a hard time attacking japan in 1274.
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Postby Lone.prophet on Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:54 pm

yeah i know that only that was like the other side of the world :)

Though maybe that searoute can be implanted
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Postby Guiscard on Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:43 pm

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Ok update time: all country names have been added, as have impassable borders and sea routes from crimea and from fukien.

Now do the bonus need to be adjusted?

Also, I've noticed that the number of territories is 37 - 36 would be better so which territory should i merge / lose? I was thinkin of Crimea, or maybe fars and kirman
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Postby glee on Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:16 pm

great work with the map so far

i don't think you should take away crimea, maybe take one from yuan khanate

as for the sea routes i think you have too many borders even without them, and as said they were not famous for their ships

i think you need more impassable borders, you should get the great wall in there and there are mountains all over the area, you could use kashmir and the caucasus

i think you should change the names of inner and outer tibet, you could for example use Lhasa for outer tibet after a town in the area. you could also change the shape of the territory himalayas so that it looks more like a mountain ridge

an other name that could be changed i siberia, that doesn't look like siberia to me, you could use kazan or bolgar instead

keep up the good work
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Postby Lone.prophet on Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:30 pm

u know korea was part of the mongol empire 2
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Postby Qwert on Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:49 pm

Nuzhen-Fukien dont need sea route becouse you have these country whit all 3 border teritory
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Postby Qwert on Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:27 pm

Let see-mising terittory
All korea
half romania
90% of belarus
Part of rusia up to ladoga lake
You can see map of mongol empire in wikipedia
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Postby edmundomcpot on Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:51 pm

i dont know what era/ iunfo your basing this on but ive heard that they conquerd Poland, the persian empire...and india(?)
Would you choose supremecy if it lead to isolation?

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Postby Nous-irons on Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:17 pm

Baghdad...

Perhaps bonuses for key Silk Road cities?
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Postby Guiscard on Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:53 pm

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Thanks for the comments guys.

Have added 3 territories: Korea, Badhdad and Uigur to take he number up to a more playable 40.

Qwert: I am going on more detailed sources than wikipedia, and this is the best 'average' i can get for the extent of mongol territory in the mid 13th century. It did cover more territory at some points but this was either temporary, tributary nations or conquests which came much later (e.g. india).

Have changed siberia to bolgar and outer tibet to lhasa, thanks glee.

Also added more impassable borders.
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Postby Qwert on Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:05 am

then you must put 13 century in map becouse people will ask for others teritory conquered of Mongols, and nod aded in map.
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Postby Qwert on Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:07 am

then you must put 13 century in map becouse people will ask for others teritory conquered of Mongols, and not aded in map.
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Postby Wisse on Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:51 am

the font in the legend don't looks good, mayby you could change it?
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Postby Lone.prophet on Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:09 am

this is about the empire of the mongols of around 1224-1294, maybe abit of europa should be added
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Postby Guiscard on Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:42 am

If you look at this map (although I am going from two better historical atlas available through the wonders of a university library) you can see that my map pretty much covers the extent of monol territory. The mongols were only in poland / hungary for a year and this was before the establishment of the ilkhanate and the capture of bahgdad and the consolidation of china under the yuan dynasty. Including Europe would mean taking away various parts of china and central asia. The only territory I have discovered that I have not included is syria, which was conquered in 1258.

In regards to the font on the legend, sure that can certainly be changed but I was quite happy with it. What do other people think? And what kind of font should it be changed to if it needs changing? A more 'archaic' style or a simple plain font to match the territory names?


edit: forgot the map link: http://www.allempires.com/empires/mongol/mongolempire_map.jpg
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